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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-03-01 14:49 [#01094989]
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Yes, this board is far superior to any I have encountered.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-01 14:50 [#01094990]
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except for THIS board!
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2004-03-01 15:30 [#01095053]
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Obviously you have no idea how CSS style switching is done, otherwise you wouldn't have made such a remark - the backend of this board has nothing to do with that ability - alternate colour schemes (skins if you will) could easily be provided via some minimal PHP and JavaScript (something this board uses) where the user could select an alternate "skin" and the whole board's look and feel can change, and PHP could be used to set a cookie to retain the user's preference (or it could be built into the member functions on the board back end).
HOWEVER, since there is presentational markup inside the HTML that is generated when the board displays, it CANNOT be done easily via the methods I just outlined.
As a matter of fact, if all the presentational markup was removed from the generated HTML, it would cut down on Phob's bandwidth costs since the CSS files are cached by the user's browser - the only thing that would be loading repeatedly would be changed avatars and the text, which does not take up much compared with the graphics.
People want to attack me on this board just because I am who I am, rather than take an honest suggestion/opinion and respond intelligently to it without resorting to attacks (even Phob is guilty of this).
And franky, ecnadniarb, you haven't obviously come across too many forum software packages then - there are a lot of boards (both free and commercial) that are better (from a factual view) than this one. I'm not slighting Tune's work here, he did a good job of modifying an existing board into one that serves this community well.
I'd just wish you lot would listen and not respond with hostility every time I make a post - after all, isn't that what a messageboard/discussion forum is for?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-01 15:40 [#01095063]
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Actually Joyrex I was a lead programmer on the XMB message board for over a year, I was also involved in the backend design and implentation of the control panel for the web host which has just been voted the best consumer web host in the UK in the Future Publishing awards. I was also involved in the design and implementation of one of the UK's largest retailers ecommerce systems. I have probably forgotton more about web technologies than you will ever know, which is some going seeing as I don't forget much.
So maybe in future it would pay to know something about the people you are attempting to put down.
Anyway Joyrex, to summerise, there is a WORLD of difference between knowing how to piss about with other peoples hard work and being able to do it yourself.
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 15:46 [#01095067]
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when people dont get on well after so many years ... maybe its better to keep some distances
for what I see phob wont like advices from joyrex and neither joy will like phob giving him advice
both lead the best electronic music resources I know, but sadly they wont ever come to any kind of agreement or good relationship
but you know, important things in life like friends, family, health... are far more important than some opinions about internet issues
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-01 15:49 [#01095068]
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From what I see Joyrex doesn't give advice, he has shitty little digs at the board and then gets offended when he gets negative reaction.
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-01 15:50 [#01095070]
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touché.
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2004-03-01 15:59 [#01095075]
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Really? I considered using XMB at one point, but the lack of features and waiting endlessly for version 1.7 to finally come out made me look elsewhere (Ikonboard --> Invisionboard). Are they even still around? That Richard guy (the lead programmer) was pretty nice, but the icons (which oddly enough are similar to Goon's Family Glue CD artwork) always creeped me out :) You should help Phob and crew out, as you'd be an invaluable resource with all your knowledge and experience.
Your evangelistic views on this board kinda puzzle me - why would someone who comes from helping code a forum software like XMB be so against features (useful ones like an edit button - I can see people's points about emoticons and other non-essential forum extras)?
Which control panel? I love CPanel, and I'd like to see what the one on yours is like... please post a link.
I wasn't trying to put you down, just make a point about assuming something can be done without understanding how such a process could or would work - I had no idea you were a coder, but even that doesn't exactly mean that you're up on CSS, semantic XHTML, etc. Some coders specialize in certain areas of application design and tend to stay away from the presentational aspect.
I don't get your last statement - who said I was pissing about with anything? I never said Tune was either, quite the opposite in fact.
You really shouldn't have come off so hostile and assumed that I didn't know anything about how the backend of this board works - because I wasn't saying I did in the first place.
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2004-03-01 16:02 [#01095080]
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Nacmat: I can't ever recall Phob making a contsructive comment or suggestion to me or my site ever in the years I've been doing this - quite the opposite in fact. My suggestions are just that - suggestions - you take them as 'digs' because of who I am - if I was anybody else, you would have responded differently. I frankly don't know why I waste my time making them, but it's obvious some people around here would like features added, and I am just agreeing or adding to their suggestions.
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-01 16:03 [#01095081]
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nobody knows about the backend of this site... ok?
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 16:03 [#01095082]
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1. at least one thing joyrex said is true:
reactions to his posts are based on who is he, more than on what he says
2. joyrex has over 1000 posts here, in which he has always helped people with questions or doubts.
sure that sometimes hes been involved in some discussion, but that is normal taking point 1 into consideration.
3. I ve seen joyrex´s posts praising phobs and tunes good job (many times)
4. for points 2 and 3 I think joyrex is a very nice member of this Mb even though he is the administrator of the "oponent" MB.
5. in my opinon both joyrex and phob are in the same level guilty on how both communities´ relationship is
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-01 16:04 [#01095083]
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that's the point...
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-01 16:05 [#01095085]
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this is getting hilarious.
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 16:07 [#01095088]
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what?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-01 16:13 [#01095092]
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Yep Richards OK (doesn't know a thing about PHP though), it was better before he took it over, I left at the time Magic Lantern was released.
My comment about the backend was meaning nobody other than Tune and Phobia knows it, so how can you make statements about what would be and wouldnt be easily possible. I based my comment from looking at the source and the uniform layout.
As for most forums packages they cater to a generic market and try to encompass everything. The reason I like this board so much is because it does as much as it needs to do. OK certain things like the search function could be improved upon and there are other little flaws which I am sure the crew here will sort out in the future, but in general I find the board a pleasure to use.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-01 16:15 [#01095096]
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you can't do anything. no point in trying.
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 16:22 [#01095105]
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I said: what?
and I would like an answer
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 16:24 [#01095111]
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I know... but its a shame that they (the admins) dont help at all either
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-01 16:25 [#01095114]
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haha, issueing orders. That moderator business has really gone to your head.
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 16:28 [#01095117]
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I said "I would like" and not "I want"
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-03-01 16:29 [#01095118]
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fight fight fight fight!!
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-03-01 16:29 [#01095119]
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this isn't real life you know.
And I would like you to know that.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-03-01 16:31 [#01095121]
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not to be mean, but what's it to you?
they're just these two guys who started up a site each and they don't like eachother. just because they run sites which a lot of people visit, doesn't mean they should behave in some kind of more than neutral way.
in the end it's their thing, it has little to nothing to do with you.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-01 16:36 [#01095134]
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What was the point in getting involved at this stage of the thread? You just seem to be Joyrexs personal fan club these days.
Take a look at Joyrexs last 50 posts, other than about 5 posts they are either talking about why WATMM is/was down or having a dig at this board (This topic / the SPD one / the Gallery one)...hardly "joyrex has over 1000 posts here, in which he has always helped people with questions or doubts."
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 16:36 [#01095135]
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true.
I shall forget about it. I still am lucky enough to post wherever I want and enjoy it
thanks qrter, you have a good brain
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nacmat
on 2004-03-01 16:38 [#01095137]
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I am nobody´s fan
some people though are my fans
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-03-01 16:39 [#01095142]
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I quite like Kylie's new song about gettin high or something. its quite good.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-03-01 17:37 [#01095202]
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I never meant for this thread to start a giant argument, it's all about suggestions people.. nothing is set in stone, and we all know Phob know's best.
This thread = B7!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
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big
from lsg on 2004-03-01 17:39 [#01095206]
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yep: b7
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-02 02:12 [#01095608]
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i quite like kylies corset.
but to the point: don't change the board too much. keep it simple. no-one would benefit from edit-functions on here, as they most likely would be abused (you can't argue with that. you know you will abuse it!). Giving everyone the possibility to post images, though... that would be nice.
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-02 02:35 [#01095624]
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exactly...
I've said before: the EDIT-button wouldn't work on such a fast moving mb this actually is...
and seriously, has anyone had problems due to the lack of an EDIT-feature? wouldn't it be much better if you took some time to review and preview what you're suppose to post?
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-02 02:38 [#01095625]
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apart from other sites you actually get something concrete in return when you donate money and i think THAT is nice. :)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-02 02:39 [#01095626]
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yep. it would be like.. giving everyone mod-status.
someone would make a post, someone would reply. the person who made the first post would change it, and the reply would look completely nonsense.
we would all be b7'd after a week! even you, Phob!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-02 02:42 [#01095628]
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ok. never mind about the images, but align:justify on the replies would look a bit nicer, I think. Someone mentioned it. The board will still be nice and clean (maybe even cleaner). Also: the "instant reply" box could be a little bit wider or bigger. You have to scroll after only 6 lines.
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-02 02:52 [#01095632]
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some of the mentioned requests are coming up with the new...eh site...
re: edit.... not even a timebased limit feature would work... not even 60 secs.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-02 04:53 [#01095702]
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a "check post length" button that, as opposite to "Preview" doesn't bring you to an empty page, but only has an alert which says "your post is too long" or "your post is ok." You can see if your post is too long, and has to be split.
alternately, the Preview could not bring you to a new page (which is bad because you may be replying to something, and then you'll loose track in the middle, and you'll need to look back to what you were replying to..), but just post the preview under the instant reply-field...
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ziggomatic
from ??....uv ajed...deja vu....?? on 2004-03-02 07:14 [#01095881]
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ziggomatic
from ??....uv ajed...deja vu....?? on 2004-03-02 07:15 [#01095882]
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i kinda like this neat little addition. :)
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-02 07:20 [#01095890]
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Suggestion:
Perhaps have another button near the reply button that pastes in the code to hotlink to another site (like the one on the FAQ page)
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rogu rarebit
from beggin' for leggings on 2004-03-02 07:20 [#01095891]
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yes,
centered
text
=
good
(1990)
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rogu rarebit
from beggin' for leggings on 2004-03-02 07:22 [#01095894]
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oops, i added a comma, so that would be 1989. not that anyone cares.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2004-03-02 07:24 [#01095897]
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how? (forgive my ignorance please)
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rogu rarebit
from beggin' for leggings on 2004-03-02 07:26 [#01095898]
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on the countdown thingy under the message box, yo.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2004-03-02 07:27 [#01095901]
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sorry, i meant how do you determine the position of the text?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-02 07:28 [#01095903]
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the next step, phob, will be "text-align:justify" for all the replies.
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nacmat
on 2004-03-02 07:40 [#01095911]
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hi what is this cool
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2004-03-02 08:12 [#01095960]
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Hehe, now this is a good addition - no having to go to another screen to post - props to Tune and Phob (and anybody else involved) in implementing this feature. Very nice, and well needed.
I like the interactive character count too...
And, for the sake of ending this futile argument, I'll ignore that last dig by Phob, as it's untrue anyways.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2004-03-02 08:14 [#01095964]
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I wish he hadn't taken down that pic i posted, it could have ended the arguments right there and then :(
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Phobiazero
from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2004-03-02 09:32 [#01096030]
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joyrex: "no having to go to another screen to post" <-- you never had to do that earlier...?!
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2004-03-02 10:02 [#01096038]
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Oh, yeah - I see what you mean - For some reason, I though I had to click "reply" to go to a posting screen, then post a message (ala my board before the Quick Reply feature was implemented). Sorry, I get a bit scatter-brained at times :)
So, really, the only thing you added was increased the size of the post window and added the character counter. Either way, it's a good improvement.
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