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I find this completely fucking alarming. "Your Mommy Kills Animals'' What happened to independant thought? Children have impressionable minds. Couldn't this be considered brainwashing to a certain extent? There is so much i want to say that i cant put into words here. I mean seriously these people should grow the fuck up. If you are into animal rights that is completely fine and dandy. I respect your opinion because this is all opinionated. I eat animals. Hunting animals is good IMO. Fuck why not wear the fur of these animals your killing? It makes the most out of the carcass. I am sorry for the tangents of my posting but i am baffled at this dastardly shit. Fuck em! |
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I agree, this is stupid. |
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PETA is an abomination to veg's |
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this kind of crap makes me want to kill some animals, just to balance things out a bit |
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haha, most of the kids around here would just wonder why they are being handed a leaflet with a fact written on it that they already knew. |
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"ask your mommy how many dead animals she killed to make her fur clothes. " ... they were zombie animals? |
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I heard that PETA is owned by insane meat corps that are just trying to give vegetarians a bad name. I'm a vegetarian FYI : ) |
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"Wang Center officials could not be reached for comment about the planned protests. " he said 'wang' |
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heh |
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I'm a veg (rawfoodist). I think it would be interesting to discuss what brainwashing is. Because you get impressions from everything in your life, some things attract you, other things don't. (of course there is a lot more to this.. ) my point is, that you might aswell say that people who enjoy wearing fur have been brainwashed. |
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I don't know anything about peta, but in terms of evil (causing pain) I say fuck humans. A classic example by richard dawkins i've mentioned before is moths batting themselves against porchlights all night. Well sorRY if they evolved to understand night light as coming from the stars. Humans create a tital wave wake of ecological sickness. |
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key: well, there aren't people handing out fliers/etc telling you that wearing fur is the "right thing to do" ..anyone who wears it is doing so because of their own choices and they know that fur is made from animals. i agree with virginpusher, in that the hides of these animals already being killed should be used for something, fur, or leather, etc.. but i don't think that animals should be killed for the sole purpose of making clothing.. everyone has their own opinion on this, and until both sides (or the major groups "representing" them) are willing to compromise a bit and/or intelligently listen to each other, it will go nowhere.. one thing i find funny is that there are laws protecting "pet" type animals, but the meat companies can do whatever the hell they want to animals we find suitable for food. why should a veal-eater find the idea of flambéed puppy or kitten to be cruel? like vp mentioned, i think hunting animals is the way to go.. at least you are giving your prey some kind of life, in the wild like it should be, and they aren't just stuck in the same place not moving for their whole life until they are slaughtered.. |
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key: well, there aren't people handing out fliers/etc telling you that wearing fur is the "right thing to do" ..anyone who wears it is doing so because of their own choices and they know that fur is made from animals. I may have misread vp's post but I read it like he thought the people who were handing out the leaflets were brainwashed... And if you have an opinion you have the right to share it with others, I 'm not sure why you don't agree with me on this one? I agree with you that the people who want to eat meat should hunt their own meat, but I do not agree on eating meat ;) peace. |
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I was meaning that they are portraying the children's parents as murderers. Making up your mind about this is something that comes as a choice. Pushing your opinion on others crosses the line. Debates and friendly conversation are quite fine. I have a problem when people tell me i am wrong because of my beliefs. |
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i think that even a child has the capability to understand that what they are eating/wearing is an animal, and they should not need anything other than their conscience to decide what is right or wrong about that. i think it really is up to the individual to decide, even though meat-eating and the wearing of animal hide is a big part of society. on an unrelated note, one thing that does bother me is how the US government gives huge subsidies mainly to meat and dairy farmers, and also, a gargantuan amount is given to corn growers, mainly for the corn to be used as animal feed and sweeteners. the gov's funding has no relation to what is actually healthy and suggested by nutritionists, and farmers growing the fruits and vegetables that need to be more readily available to the largely unhealthy population, are getting the least reimbursement. the important figures of government are using their power to scratch the back of corporations who donate the most to them. they money isn't going to the growers of healthier foods, it's going to whoever has the biggest buck, regardless of the consequences it has on the overall health of the country or the availability/cost/demand of healthy foods compared to that of unhealthier foods/junk food. |
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Err.. i'm not saying that meat should not be available, it's up to the eater, but it shouldn't be needlessly encouraged by the government more than any other type of food, especially when it's clear that one can be healthy without it. that can't be said about the other, completely necessary food groups that the funding is neglecting. |
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yeah I defineatly agree. |
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I was a vegetarian for two years. I just stopped about a month ago. I realized that no matter what idealistic protestors think, one person cannot make a difference. And I should just stop depriving myself, because meat tastes good. |
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one person makes a difference together with another person. Do what you think is the best, but remember eating a healthy vegetarian diet is more healthy than eating a healthy meat-diet. |
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I didn't do it for health reasons, I did it because I felt eating meat was wrong. I'm not very health-conscious anyway - I'm an American! |
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well you should know you do make a difference! I mean if you put together e.g. all meat you consume under one year, then it's quite a lot, and just put together more years, etc. Then you see you will make a difference. Plus you can affect other people, and then you make even more of a difference. And shouldn't you live as you learn? I mean if you believe in something, you should do it! |
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*I eat animals. Hunting animals is good IMO. Fuck why not wear the fur of these animals your killing? It makes the most out of the carcass.* and YOU wonder why PETA has to resort to the tactics it resorts to?? Can you recall the last time you ate a mink, a fox, a sable, a raccoon, a coyote, even the sligthly more common place rabbit? Funny you should mention brainwashing but your asertion that the fur and meat go hand in hand in a thorough, justifiable consumption of the animals is like a relic from the hunter, gatherer days and as far removed from relaity as any of PETA claims... More poer to PETA for making a stand. |
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Let me know when i can go dine out and get fox on the menu. Oh i'd seriously try it by the way. I have never really been disappointed with anything i have ate meat wise. Elk, cariboo, and so on and so forth. Cmon people still eat rabbit. Not me but its not uncommon really. |
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Eat healthy! You have no idea how much of a difference it makes! When you eat the food your "supposed to eat" (the most ideal food), you really feel like you're suppose to feel! The feeling is not imaginable by people who haven't felt it, and I can assure you it's a different feeling to be alive. Plus it's an eyeopener and everything. try it out! |
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but the point still remains...the fur industry is not the clean efficient environmentally friendly machine you made it out to be. most of these animal are trapped and raised just for their fur, a lot of the time the meat of the animal killed gets just grounded up and fed back to the rest of it's kin. |
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"the fur industry is not the clean efficient environmentally friendly machine you made it out to be." I made nothing out to be anything to be completely fair. I spoke an opinion based on my knowledge of my family and friends that hunt. You are right with what you said. Those animals do get treated with the utmost disrespect... that aspect of this conversation is wrong. I dont believe in animal cruelity but i do believe in making the most out of what you hunt. My point is that this debate is one that is more geared towards adults because it is an adult topic. No 6 year old understands that animals are getting the shit kicked out of them and being raised only for fur. The idea is that pushing this on children to run a guilttrip on their parents is wrong. Having the opinion itself is not wrong |
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Is it even legal to distribute information to or otherwise even approach a child you don't know on the street? I had the impression that if an adult has a matter with a child they don't know they have to go to their parent. |
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I agree that wearing fur isn't cool. Animals should be used for clothing only when that same animal is used for food imo. The kind of tactics PETA is proposing to use are just am immoral, if not more so, than what they are trying fight. |
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extremist \Ex*trem"ist\, n. A supporter of extreme doctrines or practice; one who holds extreme opinions. this pretty much says it all for me. while i think wearing FUR is horrid, i do EAT domesticated animals, and wear leather shoes, gloves, etc..... there has to be a BALANCE in thought, too much one way or another is problematic IMO. |
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pita bread is pretty tasty, on the other hand. |
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actually speaking from personal experience 6 is the perfect age to expose a child to the grim realities of the animal experience. I was 6 when I first saw cows and sheep being slaughtered (the kosher way)...and it made a lasting impression...was instrumental in my decision to not be invlolved in any way I could help with the suffering of any animal. |
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i grew up on a farm.....i still can't eat meat packaged in WHITE BUTCHER PAPER.......i know all about the sad and grim realities....but i still can't completely give up MEAT.....those are the facts for me. |
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I'm an animal rights enthusiast but I agree that PETA's actions here are out of line. Going to the children is below the belt. FBI tried this tactic in Waco, cyanide and all, and look at how that turned out. Though this whole idea of PETA brainwashing the children is ironic. Turn on your television and watch all of the Jack in the Box commercials, *be a man, eat meat*. The meat industry is definitely on top of this game, if anyone is concerned about these highly impressionable children, be concerned about everything they are force fed that doesn't make the headlines. McDonald's has already taken aim at our youngsters, combing fun, toys, clowns, and burgers and fries. No wonder our children are suffering from obesity, their raised to think "Eating is Fun". |
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hey I have no problem with you or anyone eating meating...meat eating is so ingrained into the fabric of society that expecting people not to eat meat or to want to eat meat is unrealistic to say the least...it all depends on personal experiences...in my case..the slaughter done the muslim way involves slitting a live animal's throat and letting it kick and scream and bleed to death....hence my strong aversion.. btw...LeCoeur did you ever get those lists of movies I sent you? |
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well put... .re: the brain washing of the babes.... |
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NO!!! i never received any lists =/ i thought maybe you'd forgotten....... that would be terrible....seeing the animal still moving....having blood splash on your shoes (it never came out) after the animal is dead was difficult enough, i wish i could exorcise it from my memory, but it will never happen. |
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I remember watching TV with my Dad when I was 12 and seeing a pig killed by a small domestic farmer. The pig came all trustingly towards the guy, and he killed it. Seeing it so cut-and-dry, so "intimate" just really affected me. To [appropriately] quote Stalin, "One death, a tragedy; a million a statistic." I'm just an admirer of life. I want to have as little a part in the extinguishing of it as possible. Also I love animals and don't discriminate between species (i.e. I'm not all "Cows are fine, and pigs, but God no, not my dog and kitty"). At my school there are a ton of these little birds (sparrows, seagulls, little poofy guys, and these black yellow-eyed birds), and I like to watch them because they're so fun and have their own little agendas and lives. It's just weird to think that someone can look at them and be thinking "Mmm, I'm gonna eat them" really creeps me out. Same goes for cows and stuff. I can understand that if I were in a situation that called for survival of the fittest, but come on. Today we're spoiled rotten with food and the slaughter of animals seems pretty senseless, especially the way our meat industry operates. What really steams my clam is not that people are eating meat, but the disregard for the quality of life of these animals. It's not hunting wild game anymore, it's devouring packaged animals bred and raised in claustrophobic, inhumane, lifeless conditions. We humans have evidentally assumed the position of Overlord of everything on this planet, it just seems like as a community we could be making better choices, valuing and preserving what we have. |
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damn damn damn I sent it promptly to LeCoeur10@msn.com I had that in my address book.... can you send me an email at significarta@hotmail.com and I can reply with another copy of the lists..plus I got another killer new book called SEE NO EVIL from the library..with detailed synopsis and reviews of most of those banned video nasties..I will go through it and try and send some scanned stuff off that as well... |
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yea thats not my email anymore.....ehehhehe i sent you an email senor! |
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and I have sent one back senorita :) |
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you make some great points there, sir. |
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Yes, the PTA is ridiculous, but at the same time, stuff like is equally ludicrous |
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I mean, look at how happy they made that floating pig look. They must be some sick fuckers! |
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he looks so happy to "visit" the farm. little does the little guy know - it's a one way trip.. |
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err, PETA is what i meant |
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