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ecnadniarb
on 2003-11-20 08:07 [#00958306]
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You better beleive it...wait for the "War on Gays" the thrilling sequel to the "War of Terror" featuring a whole new threat "Weapons" of Mass Destruction, sreading AIDS, and the as yet not yet released footage of new "suicide bummers" which threaten the straight population by turning people gay and then exploding.
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hobbes
from age on 2003-11-20 08:10 [#00958308]
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i saw a protest on tv the other day and this guy had a banner saying : "thank god for aids"
that totaly freaked me out, i mean really.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-11-20 08:14 [#00958309]
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Gays are funny!
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-11-20 08:14 [#00958310]
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Most politicians see AIDS as effective population control for the third world, the working class, gays, and the scum of society.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 08:15 [#00958311]
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is bush anti gay?
surely he is. i hate him so much he has to be.
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2003-11-20 08:15 [#00958312]
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given how 15% of the US population is gay its somewhat ridiculous. people should just dont let those individuals live their lives like everyone else. and even though gays are the leading cause of AIDs in the US they're not in the entire world heterosexuals are, so whoever said thank god for aids is an ignorant bastardo
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2003-11-20 08:16 [#00958314]
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slash the dont* the only thing i find problematic about this forum is the inability to edit
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-11-20 08:20 [#00958316]
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I've watched the Salon. Gays are hilarious. They're here, there, out, loud and proud. Gays don't like "Bush".
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 08:31 [#00958321]
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he's anti gay, among other things, and last but not least, he's anti human.
God bless Emerica
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 08:40 [#00958326]
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Bob Mcbob
on 2003-11-20 08:41 [#00958327]
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i would have thought you would be the last guy in the world to watch 'the salon'. i mean your the most intollerant guy there is, how can u watch that crap? or was it just part of your 'gays dont like bush' joke.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-11-20 09:57 [#00958367]
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bill hicks.. your one-step aside comments are endlessly biting and humorous . I want more! I love the whole character!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:05 [#00958373]
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Mass. just passed a ruling, allowing gays to get married.
bushes comment:
"Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman," he said. "Today's decision ... violates this important principle. I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."
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nacmat
on 2003-11-20 10:06 [#00958377]
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bush is a murderer... so he cannot be very tolerant
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-11-20 10:07 [#00958378]
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But as I said in your thread - about this I agree with him, gays shouldn't be allowed to marry.
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nacmat
on 2003-11-20 10:08 [#00958380]
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why not?
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:10 [#00958382]
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would would his position on prince Charles be then I wonder
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-11-20 10:10 [#00958383]
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Probably behind him with his pants down.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:18 [#00958389]
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i dont see any good reason to not allow gay marriages
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:23 [#00958394]
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I think there is a big difference between being a bigot who hates homosexuals on every level and being someone who views homosexuality as a medical disorder but still has compassion for those people involved. I think we have done a bad thing as a society to view homosexuality as a healthy alternative orientation to heterosexuality. Homosexual groups have aligned themselves with the civil rights movement, which to me is like schizophrenics aligning themselves with the civil rights movement. Schizophrenics are restricted by society from being involved in certain activities and for good reason. It doesn't mean we hate them it is just in everybody's best interest.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:23 [#00958395]
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that's because there are no good reasons, unless of course you're a christian or whatever. But they don't have any good reasons either, because they keep hiding behind the "holy" book, which in fact is a fucking fairy tale.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:27 [#00958399]
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I think that looking around at the obvious design there is in nature and then reasoning there is no God is the largest mass state of denial ever experienced.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:27 [#00958400]
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I don't see anything wrong with gay marriage. The tricky bit is adoption. In theory it should be fine. Certainly gay couples are no different from hetros. Some would make wonderful parents and others not. The problem lies with the issue of motherhood and the attitudes of other children. Children are very cruel and I feel that kids adopted by gay-couples would probably suffer from taunting and bullying, at least until such adoption becomes wide-spread and generally accepted. But let's be realistic that wouldn't happen for a good 30 years minimum. And then there's the question of whether a mother is necessary in the balanced development of a child. I'd tend to think yes but I have no idea really.
So I'm opposed to gay-couple adoption only on the grounds of the effects to the children. I think we need to evolve a bit first. And as for the mother issue I'm no child psychologist so I have no real views on the mater.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:28 [#00958403]
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"medical disorder"
O_o
"Schizophrenics are restricted by society from being involved in certain activities and for good reason. It doesn't mean we hate them it is just in everybody's best interest."
um.
but schizophrenics have potential to hurt others... being gay affects no one, except themselves.
Even if being gay was a "mental disorder"... no one is being hurt. Why is it anyones buisness? Its not. People just fear what they dont understand.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:30 [#00958405]
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medical disorder :O what the fuck?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:30 [#00958407]
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just because there is something "more" doesnt mean its a god nessasarilly.
and just because there is a god, its not nessasarilly the one described in the bible
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:32 [#00958411]
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lol appropriate avatar given that Sir Ian McEllen who plays Gandalf is gay (came out in the early days when it wasn't nearly as accepted as now). Yet despite his medical disorder he remains a fine actor.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:33 [#00958412]
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Comparing homosexuality to schizophrenia has got to be the most uninformed and ignorant arguement i have ever encountered on the subject of homosexuals and basic civil rights.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:33 [#00958413]
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i'm for allowing gay marriages. but, HERE's a pretty level headed point of view (NPR) for why gay marriage may not be a good idea.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:38 [#00958417]
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Well that's something you have to figure out for yourself, I'm not into having that discussion again.
As far as homosexuality, it may not physically hurt anyone else except regarding disease, although that is rooted in promiscuous sex both hetero and homo, it does create a certain moral climate that can easily confuse others. If we say gay is ok then kids might be more likely to experiment etc. This is what society wants though, this liberal anything goes free for all. So go ahead and when it all falls apart don't say nobody warned you.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:40 [#00958421]
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If you prevent people from adopting children on the basis that they will be bullied, why stop with homosexuals? Better not let families in predomonantly white populations adopt black children. or fat children. families who adopt children should also not be allowed to let their adopted kids play dungeons and dragons; or wear dorky clothing. all of these things can lead to bullying and must be prevented by your arguement.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:40 [#00958422]
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I never said that I hated homosexuals. In fact I have friends that are gay. Ian McEllen is a great actor, but it is besides the point. Van Gogh was a great artist but he was still mentally ill.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:41 [#00958424]
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"it does create a certain moral climate that can easily confuse others"
what?
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im kind of at a loss for words here...
you are saying that gays, bring society down?
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:41 [#00958425]
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wake up, there is no God. It never was, and there sure as hell never will be.
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-11-20 10:42 [#00958427]
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For the record I didn't say homosexuality was like for like with schizophrenia, just pulled a medical disorder out of my hat for an example. I could have just as easily said .
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nacmat
on 2003-11-20 10:42 [#00958428]
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I totally agree with zeus in this thread
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:42 [#00958429]
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you ask like it's the first time you've ever hear someone insinuate that.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:43 [#00958430]
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That was very interesting especially the part about scandinavia
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:45 [#00958434]
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yes this is very true but putting the simple fact of bullying aside I wonder about the psychological effects and impact on the children involved.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:46 [#00958437]
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If we say gay is ok then kids might be more likely to experiment etc.
well, SO FUCKING WHAT?
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:48 [#00958442]
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i don't necessarily agree with his assumption that the relationship between gay marriages and the disolution of the family is as strong as he makes it out to be. i think there are a whole lot of things going on in modern society that is causing higher numbers single parent families.
that being said, a lot of people seem to take a WAY overly simplistic view of things around these parts.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:50 [#00958444]
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yes quite. Obviously there are many other factors but it is an interesting take on it and, yes, the issue is very tricky.
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nacmat
on 2003-11-20 10:51 [#00958446]
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I think we have a similar feeling on this subject
glad to notice this, as some posts by others on this matter really worried me
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 10:53 [#00958448]
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even though i can't stand margarette cho, she has a pretty good take on the pro-gay marriage side also on that page.
she makes a good point about how the whole 'sacred bond' idea of marriage is just silly. i agree with her totally.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-20 10:55 [#00958450]
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thank you nacmat, and likewise :)
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 10:59 [#00958456]
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I didn't like the start. All that shit about series and stuff. I don't like the 'cool' or 'trendy' homosexuality promotional trends in society. As for the series, let's take queer as folk as an example. The show seems to depict gays as morons who only think with their dicks. Were I myself gay, I would be most offended.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 11:04 [#00958459]
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a rarely watch tv, so i don't know about that.
i just agreed with the part of her thing where she was talking about how two straight people can be married by an elvis impersonator in a drivethru window in las vegas... yet they still call it a 'sacred bond' between a man an a woman. there ain't shit sacred about that.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-11-20 11:05 [#00958460]
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btw: i just want to reiterate that i can't stand margarette cho.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2003-11-20 11:07 [#00958462]
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I know and it's a shame. I don't buy the religious aspect of the "sacred bond" thing but I do strongly believe in the principles of marriage even if these have pretty much been thrown out of the window in today's society.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-11-20 11:20 [#00958472]
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the problem with your statement is not that you are comparing homosexuality with schizophrenia but that you claim that homosexuality is a "medical disorder" that somehow warrants the forfeiture of human rights. Even if it were a medical disorder, it still doesn't follow that they should be denied basic civil rights. Do you deny a blind man his civil rights? or a person in a wheel chair? The Flu is a "medical disorder" of the respiratory system. should flu sufferers be denied their civil rights untill they recover? Of course not.
and to justify your opinion by claiming friendship with homosexuals is total bullshit. Why don't you tell your gay friends to their faces that you believe they have a "medical disorder" and that they are tearing the fabric of society? We'll see how long they remain your friends.
The real problem in society is not homosexuality or gay marraiges, it is uninformed ignorance and hate. If anything is destroying the social order, it is ignorant bigotry.
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