 |
|
You are not logged in! F.A.Q Log in Register |
 |
|
 |
 Now online (1)dariusgriffin ...and 301 guests Last 5 registered Oplandisks nothingstar N_loop yipe foxtrotromeo Browse members... |
 |
Members 8025Messages 2614103 Today 0 Topics 127542 |
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Thank you. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I would but the UN would be an occupying force too. Multiple Western countries have no more legitimacy than the US. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the only thing that stuck in my mind was "QUAGMIRE" family guy? .... ALRIGHT!.... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
so the USA destroys the country but the rest have to rebuild it? america´s goverment is the fucking problem of this world and not a loser like sadham (also a son of a bitch). anyway, I just hope that whover is in charge of rebuilding Iraq, really worries about Iraq and not about its own enrichment |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
well this would be a step towards changing a dangerous american administration. do me/u.s. a favor. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
but I really worry about all those young american soldiers dying now... as all those iraquies in hunger... that war was uneccessary, unfair and ilegal and the fucking responsibles (bush, blair, aznar, sadham... etc etc) are the only ones not being really affected |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
they're also the only ones that are benefiting from this |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I dont want americans to die, but I dont want others to die either... and it was not others who started this war (which is not over), its bush and his goverment along with blair, aznar and company the ones who should be there in the desert, fearing to die everyday on the other hand, I dont want Iraq to continue in this sad situation, so I want that every country helps as much as possible to HELP the iraquies (and not for self enrichment as spain, england and america are doing now) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
why didnt usa obey the UN before attacking and now wants the UN to help?? it all sounds a little strange to me |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It's a sick situation, I'll sign it. *breaks into song Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerers of death's construction In the fields the bodies burning As the war machine keeps turning Death and hatred to mankind Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah! Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor Time will tell on their power minds Making war just for fun Treating people just like pawns in chess Wait 'till their judgement day comes, yeah! Now in darkness, world stops turning As the war machine keeps burning No more war pigs of the power Hand of god has sturck the hour Day of judgement, god is calling On their knees, the war pigs crawling Begging mercy for their sins Satan, laughing, spreads his wings |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
nacmat they had their own money-making agenda.. they don't care who dies .. the UN is nothing but a pushover really.. and the bush admin. exploited that and disrespected pretty much the entire world and did what they wanted thanks ophecks. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
In all honesty, how difference do you think this petition is really going to make? Not to discourage it, but do you seirously think it's going to work? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
ok what is the petition exactly asking for? sorry but my english may me have confuesed and I want to make sure what I sign or not |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
a lot of petitions and movements through this organization have been rather effective |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Petitions have their uses but if you want to stop the murdering bastard get your arse down to London on the 20th. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
hah. you wanna be my go-between, jonesy baby |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I can't mate. I gotta work. But we'll both be there in spirit, eh? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
tru indeed. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i agree completely with you nacmat - this entire war in iraq was a diversion for the bush administration to take focus off of america's struggling economy, the unfairness and stereotyping of the so-called "War on terror" and on Bush's poor approach to foreign policies. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
it was also a diversion to distract Americans from the fact that US intelligence was well aware of 9/11 LONG before it took place. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
petition signed, theo. :D |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
it's also very easy to get support for a war that promises to do away with a fmr. muslim enemy of the US who's legacy of evil has been risen to a laughable degree of uninformed jingoism-inspired hype.. especially when recently emasculated dumb americans want revenge for 911 but wont get it because bin laden is protected by us (led by this administration's oil and other financial interests in saudi arabia and the bin laden family is quite tight with the bushes, actually) basically.. it was a great opportunity for the administration to steal a lot of money and natural resources at the expense of thousands of iraqi's lives, billions of american dollars at a monthly basis.. and hundreds of young americans (all of which bush has failed to recognize: he hasn't been to a single funeral.. even one that was three miles away from the white house) because it was easy to sell to a generally scared, aggressive, blood thirsty (a lot of people just wanted to see some "towelheads" get blown up - most people are too stupid or lazy to find out how diametrically opposed Hussein and bin Laden are.. and that you can't lump an entire religion and region of the world into one microcosmic negative stereotype) and lie to the american peope (once again) to get approval for it. the whole thing is a total disgrace. some people need to face consequences. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
thank you so very much. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
well put. i mailed it to just about everyone in my mail list, except for my japanese friends, because they probably couldn't understand it anyways. :D |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
"right, your sacked, a load of gonks off that world wibe web thingy have sent us one of the eelektronik letters" |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
sorry, its just that these things piss me off alot no disrespect to you theo |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
that's not exactly how it works phizzy.. oddioblender.. you have no idea how big of a help you've been just by doing that.. the organization I'm working with encourages very intensely the spreading of the word.. getting these movements out to as many people as possible.. when someone does a second generation branch-out it really makes it all the more effective.. thank you for your help!! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
it's aiiite brah |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
quite welcome. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
"I don't get involved in politics,its safer this way." |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you can have your details kept confidential btw. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the problem is that lots and lots of people were dying before we started this war as a result of innaction on the iraqi situation. and the shitty thing is that most of them were innocent families and mostly children. we (the entire world) were starving the fuck out of them through our sanctions. do you think saddam was starving? fuck no, he was keeping the money and food for himself and his followers, and the innocent iraqis were dying. LOTS of them were dying. so, the question then becomes: what do we do? a) lift sanctions and let saddam do as he wishes. b) keep sanctions on, hope he gives in, while starving thousands every month. c) go to war, and set things up the way we want them. d) other: ____________ and the problem was, that opponents all chose d, of course, anyone would, but then they never filled in the blank. WTF!?! it's one thing to argue an opposing viewpoint, but to just say "you're wrong dummie" and offer no alternative isn't an acceptable response for me. I was not "for" this war, but i never heard a viable option from anyone, that includes people on this board. people were/are always quick to point out how america was in error... yeah, ok, well what do you propose should be done? i'll not sign any petition until it gives a real, viable, and better option as an alternative to what's currently being done. "rumsfeld should leave" is not a complete alternative. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
believe me.. many people were/ARE doing FAR worse under other dictators that we're doing nothing about.. there's nothing in it for us... this isn't like SuperBush going on an humanistic altruism world tour here.. it's so clear what is going on here that it's hard to take that view all that seriously.. it is a benefit though.. but unfortunately it's more of a by-product.. like a regime was lifted in the end.. but that was not the intent.. and the regime was lifted at a far greater cost |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
also.. up until recently.. saddam and america were on good (business) terms.. so there was no reason to go after a man with whom we still had business to do.. following a long tradition (queues up infamous 1984 picture of donald rumsfeld gleefully shaking saddam hussein's hand) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
ah i shouldn't have become involved... now i'm in trouble.... :S |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i definately am not arguing the fact that money/oil/family feuds are not playing a huge roll in this. i agree with that completely. it's a complicated situation. iraq has tons of oil, and is located in prime real estate for us to keep an eye on lots of folks we may have issues with in the future. that's a given. but, the entire world got itself into this shitty situation by imposing sanctions on iraq that were only to be lifted when saddam complied. well, 12 years and he wasn't complying. it looks like saddam probably didn't have the wmd's that lil' bush said he did... but, nobody is saying that, if left alone he would not develop them. so... again, what do we do? we can't lift the sanctions because then we set a precedence where the UN is totally incapable of enforcing anything... not to mention, if we leave him to himself everyone is pretty sure he will kickstart his wmd programs that everyone agrees that he did have before gulf war #1. he's a bad guy and needs oversight to keep him in line. nobody seems to argue that. we could keep up the sanctions, while we continue the searches under the rules that saddam is setting for the inspectors, in complete defiance of the regulations that the entire global comunity agreed upon. but, the sanctions aren't affecting who we want to affect, and a side effect is that we're starving thousands of innocent people in the process. so, what to be done? and, of course there are other very important issues that should be addressed, there always is. but, then what are we doing about all the people in iraq? damned if you do, damned if you don't. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
they're all lizards and there's nothing we can do |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
basically. yep. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Given that Congress has already approved the money, the petition is pointless. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Do you think the Government listen to us? NO!Its those Patriots,I tell you!They control the government. I belive I have been playing Metal Gear Solid 2 too much..... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
there aint shit you can do unless: you are a lizard you are born into the bloodline and want to rebel you are a very very intelligent individual who knows what he/she is doing and can play the game it aint worth worrying about otherwise |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
nope not gonna sign it... simply because after taking a crap I dont hoist my arse and expect somebody else to wipe it... the whole world pleaded and begged the U.S not to go ahead with this war...U.N (via Blix) included... now the oil aint quite flowing and financial pinch starts stinging the nuts they want the U.N? pay for it and keep paying for it...and get that fucking "COALITION OF THE WILLING" (what a laugh) help you to foot the bill |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yeah! let those iraqis die of starvation and disease and civil war! we ain't gonna help now or ever, all so we can get that big "i told you so" at the end, and prove that we're superior! see what good people we are. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
no. USA must help them reconstruct what they destroyed |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
funny how the threats of the next Vietnam that the Iraqi information minister kept making don't sound quite ludicorous as the American media made them and him out to be. from a buffon to a prophet of doom in 6 short months its kind of scary no? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
and if other nation's help could make the difference between success and failure? all other nations would be more than happy to see us fail wouldn't you guys? the situation for millions and millions of people becomes horribly worse, and you guys could possibly help to keep that from happening, but you'd prefer not to because of a grudge? that doesn't sound as morally superior as you like to claim you are. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the Iraqi people have been suffering and dying for nearly two decades now and what did we do for them? Sanctioned them and deprivied them of the most basic human necessities and then bombed and destroyed their entire infrastructure for good measure. Where was the much needed concern for the Iraqi people then? And what about Afghanistan? Why not the concern about the Afghani people? America came true to their promises of driving them even further and deeper beyond the dark ages and now just uses the one city as a photo opportunity for its puppet regime while being too frightened to venture out and even assess the devastation its near nucleur bombing campaigns wraeked on the rest of country. When is the rebuilding of Afghanistan ever going to be on the agenda? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the situation is shitty, politicians are shitty, the US is shitty, you'll not hear me arguing those points. and, these weren't my points anywhere in this thread. my only point was; you're walking a tightrope when you try and take the moral highground when you're supporting witholding aid to a suffering country simply because you don't like the us gov't. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Not going to sign....whats this nonense about making a scapgoat out of Rumsfield...the entire regime is absolutely abominable with personal interest invested in miltary/reconstruction companies. The only way any nation or any person in the world should even consider helping out with this mess is if the US public vote this regime out next year. If it doesn't, this is what the American public wants and this is what they should get. The resoundingly favorable public ratings "for going it alone" option have to cost something sometime shouldnt it? So go on footing the bill for the machismo. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Messageboard index
|
|||||||||
