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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:11 [#00919504]
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so, who thinks there will be a third world war?
when do you think it will be?
what will cause it?
how devistating will it be? What will be the effects?
Do you think people will refer to it as WWIII when it happens... or do you think theyll call it something stupid like "Operation Joint Anti-Evil Campaign" or some such lovely wording that only the good US of A can come up with
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aphextriplet
from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-26 17:12 [#00919505]
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its all inevitable. There'll be a big fat nuclear war one day, and boom boom boom and bang bang bang and everyones fucked cause its in our nature.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-26 17:13 [#00919506]
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dont think its going to happen...we have US to prevent the ww3!
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-10-26 17:13 [#00919508]
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you mean World War IV.. the Cold War was the third World War
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2003-10-26 17:14 [#00919511]
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It won't be called WWIII, that'd be bad PR. My bet's on israel / palestine for the mushroom clouds to start appearing.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:14 [#00919512]
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no, I dont count the cold war as WWIII
and I dont nessasarily think the 3rd war, will be the one with nukes... its possible... but not definate.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-10-26 17:16 [#00919513]
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many do consider that the third world war
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:16 [#00919514]
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exactly
if we started calling it world war 3, it would be chaos
people screaming the end of the world
wide spread panic
and yeah, I agree if the nukes start happening, its probable that it will be israeli/palestinian
their judgement is clouded by too much hate... imo
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:17 [#00919516]
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like who?
im not trying to be difficult... ive just never heard anyone refer to the cold war is the 3rd world war
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-10-26 17:18 [#00919517]
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I think the next war will come when the governments in control lose their power over people, in a kind of we can't hve so neither can you kind of way.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2003-10-26 17:18 [#00919518]
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With the bush junta seriously discussing battlefield nuclear weapons, israel almost certainly being nuclear-capable, and the "disappearance" of nuclear material from the former soviet union? I don't think we're responsible enough NOT to use nukes eventually.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:21 [#00919521]
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oh, it will definately happen deepspace... but i do think that its possible it may be avoided for a little longer
skink... yeah, but I think that that will come after a huge conflict... i dont think it will come to that without a huge world event first... something that wakes people up
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-10-26 17:21 [#00919522]
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You also have to think what will happen if the "lost" nukes are really lost what will happen when they detiriate.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-10-26 17:27 [#00919533]
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I don't think that would start a world war but i think it might somehow be a catyast for something major.
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2003-10-26 17:28 [#00919534]
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At the moment, the Bush administration is doing a pretty good job heading that way, quick. They are the biggest threat to world peace.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:28 [#00919535]
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yeah... because it wouldnt be governments fighting each other... it would be a world wide rash of civil wars
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:29 [#00919536]
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yep
and unfortunately, anyone who says such things is considered a terrorist
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-10-26 17:29 [#00919538]
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That is also something to consider.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-10-26 17:30 [#00919539]
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I would place a firm bet on North Korea - especially if the US decides to "intervene" there next.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:32 [#00919544]
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yes, espicially since both bush and north koreas leader (his name eludes me at present) are both completely unreasonable lunatics
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:33 [#00919545]
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my friend has been reading alot of shit on the net...
he is conviced that 2013 will be the end of the world.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-26 17:33 [#00919546]
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Kim Jong Il
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-26 17:33 [#00919547]
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the vampire himself :)
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2003-10-26 17:34 [#00919548]
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"i dont know what weapons will be used to world war 3, but world war 4 will be done with sticks and stones"
-albert einstein.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2003-10-26 17:36 [#00919549]
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To be honest i'm pessimistic about a peace process instigated by the US government, unless it would DIRECTLY serve their own interests. Nuclear conflict in the middle east will happen, it is just a matter of when, and how far will it spread?
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:37 [#00919551]
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after Homo sapiens sapiens give their population the big trim, the penguins will take charge and rule the Earth.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:38 [#00919552]
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damn, that einstein quote literally gave me shivers
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GIR
from Easton on 2003-10-26 17:39 [#00919553]
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Id probably say China and perhaps an axis with other eastern countries against the western powers, in response to British and American oppression in the economy.
It would be a gigantic war of attrition, neither side necessarily winning, but millions dying on each side.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:40 [#00919554]
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Kim Jong Il
I knew that
considering my class was north korea for my highschool model united nations
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:40 [#00919556]
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"It would be a gigantic war of attrition, neither side necessarily winning, but millions dying on each side. "
agreed
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:42 [#00919557]
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my class was Niger last year
we went to Nationals in NYC in early March (just before Iraq)
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-10-26 17:42 [#00919558]
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it could start with a big nuke going off in say NY, maybe Washington .. and no one claiming responsibility, .. sort of like 9/11 - but where that nuclear line has been crossed?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:43 [#00919559]
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and whats also freaky about 2013, is ive read some shit about economic problems that will impact that year...
its probably all coincidence though
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 17:45 [#00919560]
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pachi- ours was in the hauge
since we where NK, no one wanted anything to do with us... which was sweet... cause then we didnt have to do shit like making and signing resolutions... cause we where against everyone else.
alls we did was get ou voted when we voted no to all the resolutions
korbeen: i dont know about that... i think it would be logistically very hard to accomplish. not impossible... but damn hard. you cant just walk around with nuclear material, and be over looked by the government... they are always monitering levels etc
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-10-26 18:01 [#00919566]
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"2013.... economic problems that will impact that year"
could you go into that a bit more? I've not heard of this
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-10-26 18:08 [#00919569]
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it will come, eventually - we'll all be deep fried, glowing skeletons before we ever learn to live in peace and harmony with each other.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-10-26 18:19 [#00919582]
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zeus:
true. but then people didn't think pearl harbour or 9/11 was possible before it happened (or did they?) ..
something of the sort would fit in pretty nicely with the general neurotic characteristic of these "wars". ie. the "itch" (eg. fascism, communism, terrorism etc.) that is needed to "justify" the scratching ..
lots of hollywood movies work like that .. only in general the scratching is portrayed as heroic/curative. so "if" one were to have a culture instilled with this hollywood mentality (any means necessary to justify the "just" end is ok), ie. a culture already sensitive to such itches .. one would need "some" itch of proportionate magnitude to the ww3 scratch?
so yeah .. mushroom clouds in DC hugely unlikely .. palestine/israel seems a lot more rife for that sort of thing ...
bleargh..
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-26 19:15 [#00919639]
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I agree with Nlogax... There are too many people just too clouded by hate. I really think that if there is another world war, and by world I mean almost every continent is affected (not necessarily by the fighting, but by the economies that are disrupted) then nuclear weapons will probably be used. Then again, it may just be a naive hope, but I tend to think that most people understand that using nuclear weapons means that the world will pretty much end, so I hope maybe somehow we'll figure out a way to keep them from being used.
All the stuff about israel/palestine is so FUCKING stupid. I don't mean to offend anyone from this place, but its all because of religion. Fucking religion. Come on people, think about it, could there really be some supreme being out there willing that the enemies of his religion be killed? I really do not believe in religion and this is why. All it does is cause problems, and that goes for every religion. (except for maybe buddhism or rastafarianism, most true proponents of those religions usually arent to keen on starting a war. ;)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-26 19:16 [#00919641]
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this place = these places*
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 19:38 [#00919685]
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yeah, I have alittle hope left in me, that people wont use nukes... at least YET... because everyone knows it would be like... the end of the world
and yes, I agree that religion causes alot of problems...
but just remember, its youre belief that its all religions fault. its your belief that there is no god that would support war
just as passionately as you feel this way... the religious people feel just as, if not more passionately.
unfortunately... there will never be any way to prove who is right... and hence, conflict will always remain.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-10-26 19:42 [#00919692]
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Zephyr .: i'd say its fundamentalism that poses the serious threat, and is the immensely frustrating annoying and is the down right stupid thing about it. what is worse - they can't be argued with - they are always right.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-10-26 20:37 [#00919786]
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"2013.... economic problems that will impact that year"
could you go into that a bit more? I've not heard of this
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-26 20:40 [#00919794]
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i didnt read it all in one source... it was something I observed when searching for 2013... articles and stuff...
one was that in 2013, the amount of social security needed to be given to people, will not be enough...
and that for some reason (i forget) the electricity in the US will fail
just stuff like that...
but its all kind of irrelevent, cause I talked to my friend, and he said its actually the year 2012. so yeah... my bad
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-10-26 20:58 [#00919823]
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Probably be fought less on the ground and more on the information superhighway. Evil hackers with their 1337 skillzaz making our computers eat us.
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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-10-26 21:04 [#00919837]
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Internet cafes...the new battleground.
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joakimlinden
from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-10-26 23:47 [#00919971]
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About the Israel/Palestine conflict, it's very possible that something might flare up between Israel and Syria/Lebanon... The Palestinians simply has no weapons to fight back with - anything above what is currently being inflicted onto the Palestinians would be slaughter, and the world would probably stop it.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-10-27 00:25 [#00919978]
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for hacking or fraggin?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-27 00:40 [#00919984]
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Actually, I know I'm right. People only put faith into religion because they are too chickenshit to accept the fact that there is no life after death. WAKE UP PEOPLE, YOU ARE NOT MEANT TO LIVE FOREVER. If you think that you really will go on to a better life after death, then please do me and the rest of the INTELLIGENT world a favor and kill yourself right now.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-27 05:57 [#00920310]
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my point exactly.
you dont know this as a fact... yet you beleive it as one.
until you really can PROVE IT as fact... you are merely believing... just like any religious person
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-27 10:33 [#00920595]
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Actually, I can because most religions I'm familiar with (though I can't say all because honestly I don't know the origins of all religions) place man as a direct creation of the supreme being, whereas science has PROVED that man is a direct decendent of the apes. Try proving that with "god".
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