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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-27 10:39 [#00920602]
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I always found it amusing that God created the world in 7 days or whatever its meant to be, then he created adam and eve... now unless i'm mustaken Dinosaurs ruled the earth for thousands of years before humans.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-27 11:04 [#00920631]
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"DUDE DUHHH, GOD DAYS LAST LONGAR THAN HUMEN DAYS!!! DURRRRR"
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nacmat
on 2003-10-27 11:15 [#00920644]
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world war 3 will occur if the USA continue fucking this planet
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-10-27 11:43 [#00920677]
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there are so many holes in evolution it is amazing
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-27 11:52 [#00920692]
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Do you mean holes as in inconsistencies? Such as? are you saying there are fewer holes in organized religion?? please explain.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-10-27 12:00 [#00920702]
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I guess it really depends on what religion and this discussion should probably have it's own thread.
But i am wondering what you mean by Organized religion? A certain Denomination? Or a religion like hindu or buddist?
I've heard things about circular reasoning. The process of dating bones by the layer of dirt it is in and dating that layer by the bones that are in it. If i can remember this had to do with the geologic column.
Although i try to stay away from these discussions because people are so opinionated that it just turns into an argument resulting in a 600+ post thread of people bashing each other.
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2003-10-27 14:28 [#00920925]
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There already is a WWIII!!!
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-10-27 16:51 [#00921076]
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Feel free to look at reasons.org for a different perspective on Genesis. While I am not sure if I believe this or not it is well worth looking at.
The idea is that the Hebrew word for Genesis can be literally translated to mean a) 24 hrs., b) the daylight hours, or c) any long but definite period of time. Also, the words evening and morning can be translated to mean "beginning of the day" and "ending of the day." Another thing to note is that Hebrew days were bracketed from evening to evening and sometimes morning to morning, but not "evening was and morning was." It is therefore plausable to reason that these days are actually ages of the earth's development. God uses the seven days as analagous for the work week, however these may be more of a symbolic framework rather than a literal 1/1 time period.
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-10-27 16:54 [#00921078]
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no because the us is already in almost every country on earth... i wish that they weren't
ps...do people even talk about music anymore on the board
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-10-27 17:04 [#00921081]
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A couple of other things to think about ...
On the sixth day, God planted a garden, making the "trees grow up from the ground," created Adam, brought all of the animals before Adam for him to name them, and then created Eve.
Adam, upon seeing Eve used the expression ha'paam, which is roughly the same as our modern 'at last.' Doesn't sound like the events of one 24 hr. period to me.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-27 20:57 [#00921259]
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but think about what you're saying. Are you trying to tell me that carbon dating is just a hoax? that the dinosaurs didnt exist up to 90 million years before human beings appeared? are you saying that human genome project and all these things are all just made up? This is the point that I am trying to make. If you (meaning anyone) need to look at the development of earth metaphorically by saying that the different stages are the different days in "God's plan", then fine, just keep it to yourselves in my opinion. The problem is that no religious devout can EVER keep it to themselves, they're constantly trying to press their shit onto other people. And of course, that's where all the problems arise...
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-10-27 21:02 [#00921261]
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Over a long enough time frame the chances of survival are alwasy reduced to zero.
...and the inevitability of some events really comes into it's own.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-10-27 21:12 [#00921264]
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zephyr twin .. unless you're basing your insights off TIME magazine and New Scientist articles etc. you will find that though genetics has a lot of pragmatic use, the theory is far from conclusive!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-27 21:13 [#00921265]
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dude... I cant beleive you arnt realizing what you are saying...
yes, there is more proof of evolution... but that doesnt disprove the existance of god
you are stating your opinion man... thats really all it is...
and yet you are saying this things like absolute facts. there is still much to be learned...
you BELIEVE that theres no god. you cant prove it
see my point?
it goes both ways... just as I cant convince you youre wrong, we cant convince religious people they are wrong
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sine wave
from Ireland on 2003-10-27 23:48 [#00921298]
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i only know that when the apocalypse does come, i will be listening to godspeed you! black emperor's "albanian" as loud as possible
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-10-28 11:21 [#00922004]
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Under the day-age view of creation (the one I described earlier), dinosaurs would have existed before man was created and on the sixth 'day.' Also, as I said this is a literal, not metaphorical translation of the Genesis account because an epoch could be a literal translation of the Hebrew for day.
In regards to the comment about keeping it to ourselves... I find it interesting considering what all gets discussed on this message board. I also find it interesting considering that my post was a response to someone else's, who brought up the topic of the judeo-christian view of creation. Zephyr Twin, I seem to remember you making some posts about porn stars in other threads on here. What if I don't wish to read about that? What if that offends me? How about those who have chosen to use pornstars as their avatars, or make threads about orgies they had the opportunity to participate in? Or threads where members post their favorite picture of a girl wearing a thong or panties? I tolerate that, don't I?
I find it interesting that often those who are the loudest advocates for tolerance and free speech are only so when the issue at hand suits them and become incredibly intolerant when being subjected to a view that they disagree with.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-28 14:24 [#00922259]
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"I find it interesting that often those who are the loudest advocates for tolerance and free speech are only so when the issue at hand suits them and become incredibly intolerant when being subjected to a view that they disagree with."
I agree with you here, but then again I also was not writing an essay on the advocation of pornography, I simply made a reference to one girl that I thought was attractive. I believe in free speech, but I also believe that it is unethical to push your religious beliefs on others. And on that note, I DO keep my beliefs to myself, accept when these beliefs lend themselves do discussion, as in this thread. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, but in my opinion some people are just naive/stupid.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-28 14:25 [#00922260]
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except*
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-10-28 14:29 [#00922265]
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Yes, I see your point. But by proving evolution, it DOES disprove the existance of God.. Think about it, God supposedly created man in his image, and that human beings have looked the same since their creation. But proving that we are the decendents of animals, apes, goes against everything that the bible is based on. I'm not going to say anything else on this subject because I feel that it won't do any good, won't change any minds, and won't solve any problems. I'm sorry that I ever became involved with this discussion actually, and if anything, i now have the view that religion is even more of a waste of time.
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2003-10-28 14:33 [#00922272]
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when: I DON'T KNOW where: ON THIS BOARD
dont forget the martians!!! :P
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-28 14:40 [#00922278]
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We've come along way from apes. Some not so long as others... as it appears.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-10-28 15:33 [#00922319]
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War is good. If you want to go kill then go kill other people that want to kill in some desert/jungle/town full of people.
There is nothing we can do about it... well actually there is DON'T VOTE FOR COKED UP IDIOTS LIKE BUSH.
I got the answer to infection ...
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2003-10-28 15:41 [#00922329]
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Anyway, about WWIII. What are your thoughts on the New World Order? Are Neocons and other groups really pulling strings behind the scenes to form a one world government, or is it all conspiracy theorist paranoia? Is the war on terrorism really what we are told that it is, or is it an attempt to neutralize potential monkeywrenches in a future globalist utopia? I haven't answered these questions completely for myself, but I think better understanding the real motives of the players would help determine the future of current situations.
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