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offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-10-18 08:10 [#00906868]
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... 'linear'

thats right.

In my opinion, a lot of electronic artists are too linear.
Esp Autechre, in my opinion every record is just the
previous album, only more or less changed.

Im not saying you cant progress, but id love to see aphex
doing some old school ambient, or maybe a digeridoo kinda
thing.

I dont know why im typing this, it just came to mind.

Discuss..


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-10-18 08:13 [#00906872]
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try stockhausen


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-10-18 08:14 [#00906874]
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he's that old german dude right?

sounds like idm for grandma's to me :P


 

offline big from lsg on 2003-10-18 08:21 [#00906883]
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progress that's called
maybe aphex has a lot of that in his 2600 unreleases tracks


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-10-18 08:22 [#00906884]
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yup that's the one. I haven't really tried him properly but
it's wierd stuff. I believe the guy is totally opposed to
'primitive african style tribal repetition'. Sounds like a
bit of an arrogant bastard to me but his work might be
interesting.
didn't richard host a stockhausen related event at the
london barbican a while back?


 

offline uzim on 2003-10-18 08:30 [#00906892]
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indeed, Autechre are a bit too similar to themselves.
(and i'm not even talking about Boards of Canada...!!)

but not all artists are like this.
i think Aphex Twin is different every time, not linear at
all - it's even the less "linear" artist i know.



 

offline big from lsg on 2003-10-18 08:34 [#00906897]
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that's academic jibberish about that african stuff, means he
thinks dance is stupid and idm therefor too, but not really
cause appartly aphex was invited for this stockhausen
thing..

what was funny: i saw a documentary on 'new' music, only it
was from '97, had interviews with squarepusher, dj spooky
and stockhausen among others. anyway, stockhausen said, on
this new music (idm): these artists dont see how they're are
only a small part in the development of music. and on the
other hand he said, about his own composition, gesange des
jungelings: that piece of music was a important turningpoint
in the history of music (because it was electronic, and
blahblah). anywho: that made me laugh

does anyone agree with me that to cure a weakling child
might be a allution on that gesange des jungeling? the way
the singing is deformed.

i learned in music history there are 4 ways tones in music
can be modified: volume, length, hight, and tembre (sound).
gesange das jungeling was a turning point because it strived
to be completely free on the tembre. after the second vienna
school had tried to brake away from any restrictions in
hight, with the 12 tone stuff.


 

offline purlieu from Leeds (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-18 08:37 [#00906901]
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Current 93.
Did five industrial/noisescape albums, then a few folk
albums, with an ambient one mixed inbetween. Then suddenly
an album of just piano pieces, then some more ambient,
followed by one purely done on harmonium, guitar and
glockenspiel. And then a bit of dark ambient, another piano
record and the new one (judging on two live tracks I saw the
other week) is sounding decidedly folky again.

There you go.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-10-18 09:11 [#00906927]
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so.. autechre's development is too linear for you..?

I can't believe that you're actually thinking about
something like this.

who gives a fuck whether it's linear or not. how an artist
develops is personal to each of them - if you do it right,
you do not actually choose whether your development is
linear or not. it's what comes natural to you.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-10-18 09:18 [#00906935]
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Hmm, I 'd say Aphex was one of the most diverse artists
around myself... I don't like Smojphace much, but even that
is a new direction. He's done all sorts- ambient, drill and
bass, minimalist piano, hardcore, rave, hip hop related
(windowlicker), downtempo electro, even some housey dancey
type stuff... to call his progress linear seems strange. I
bet back when AB3 came ot you couldn't of predicted what his
next release would be like, no more than people accurately
predicted what Drukqs would be like after Windowlicker.

Sure BoC haven't changed drastically, but to be honest I'd
be happy with another 4 albums of MHTRTC type tracks.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-10-18 09:19 [#00906937]
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all i want is saw 3

:(


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-10-18 09:19 [#00906939]
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hell yeah, this coming from fruity loop headquarters heh


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2003-10-18 09:29 [#00906952]
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it'll never happen :(


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-10-18 09:34 [#00906960]
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Unfortuantely, TonyFish is right... ;-(


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-10-18 09:39 [#00906966]
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yeah, I like artists who jump around with styles and
stuff... a major reason why I love stuff like DJ Shadow, but
basically all sample based music, is that there are so many
styles mashed together...


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-10-18 09:41 [#00906972]
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wait... youre complaining that artists dont develop more,
and grow... yet alls you want is a SAW III... which would
merely be a rehash of his previous stuff, just "changed more
or less"

O_o


 

offline ka on 2003-10-18 09:43 [#00906978]
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hey JAroen. Sorry, are you saying artists, such as Autechre
change too much or not enough?


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-18 09:43 [#00906981]
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So what you're saying is that their next progression is
obvious. You'd rather they swapped about randomly like
Aphex.

No two albums in a row have been the same style. Yet there's
soem styles that have two albums.

I too would like SawIII


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-10-18 09:45 [#00906984]
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they do change

everything changes

after i returned this thread doesnt make sense anymore..

i think i meant to say that
a) i'd like to see some older stuff by some guys
b) change isnt always good really. i cant decide what i like
better, old ae or new ae

this thread sucks, i know. it made sense to me when i tought
it up


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-10-18 09:46 [#00906985]
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just wait til the next autechre comes out :]


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-10-18 09:46 [#00906986]
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<- boogies down to fine young cannibals


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-10-18 09:48 [#00906992]
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boogie down bronxboogiebronxdowndownasd,.vsd,m.,m

fine young cannibals are nice, i think ive got something on
vinyl by them

could be something else tho


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-18 09:49 [#00906995]
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They drive me crazy


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-10-18 09:55 [#00907010]
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do do doo do do GOOD THING


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-10-18 10:14 [#00907051]
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and everything is well again.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-10-18 10:19 [#00907054]
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a bit of 90s r&b will sort most things out :]


 

offline big from lsg on 2003-10-18 11:01 [#00907115]
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o i prolly meant dj shadow


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-10-18 11:26 [#00907178]
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All David Tibet has to do now is some cock rock or jangle
pop and he's got all the bases covered.

I like Autechre's ''linearity''... they're sort of
predictable, yeah... I knew what to expect with Gantz and
Draft... but it's still different enough to be interesting.

Aphex Twin is the antithesis of linear. AndFrank Zappa,
there's one helter skelter mofo.


 

offline k_maty on 2003-10-18 11:31 [#00907190]
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predict ae's next album


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-10-18 11:34 [#00907200]
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Unplugged country pop-rock with lots of harmonica and
cowbell, probably.


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2003-10-18 11:37 [#00907211]
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I agree about Aphex. How can anyone say they "expected"
DrukQs to sound like it did? I know I was surprised.


 

offline big from lsg on 2003-10-18 11:50 [#00907231]
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i think k_maty is trying to say the last two ae sounded
remarkebly the same...


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-10-18 11:54 [#00907237]
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kggggzzz .ssww pling pling Drrzz.zwW GKGk,, GKgkjm .sskgggg
plingpling

d7.30 only works when im concentrating on listening for me


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2003-10-18 12:58 [#00907429]
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aphex twin - linear?

sorry, but i don't think going from ambient to psychotic
jungle tomfuckery is really a straight line. or maybe it is?
ah who knows - time is but a perception of the mind.

in 100 years from now, people will pay no attention to the
amount of time between the first and last autechre album -
they'll just try to catch the core feel that is autechre.
that's really all that's remembered of a musician after
they're gone.

but that's just my opinion. did i mention I am quite stoned
right now?


 


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