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what do you think its more important? |
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the process, it's where you have all the fun |
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both. but i think it depends on situation |
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the process. thats why you start over and over. |
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The hole is of greater value than the dirt that comes out of it. |
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the hole is the result or the process? in architecture school we normally give more importance to the process... but man in architecture the result is so important too |
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It depends: Buying a kick ass stereo (the process) or a good computer is fun, but playing music (the result) or games is moreso. On the other hand, lots of things are more enjoyable while you are doing it, such as attending a Mogwai concert, than the consequences (deafness). |
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the more ambition in process you put, the better result you get |
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blah. going to sleep now. bai bai |
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speaking of the process..... tell me if this isn't the most fucked up thread in the world (the one you made, where i humbily thanked you for remembering me) :) does it fuck up incredibly for you or anyone else?? |
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the result is the most Important but the process gets you there, and if the process is flawed, the result will be |
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woohoo, it's quite different every time :) |
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I guess the hole is the result, but the desire for a hole is what started the whole digging process, so the hole and the Platonic ideal hole are at opposite ends of the process. But where did the platonic ideal hole come from? From meta- digging? And what inspired the ideal meta-digging? a meta-ideal hole? |
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dude this is so weird |
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oooh and even more importantly - do holes at our level of recursion inspire holes at lower levels? |
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In art.....the result In life.....the process |
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??? |
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I would have said it the other way: in art the process in life the result |
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really nacmat? in life i feel that the ends do not justify the means.........how you conduct yourself is more important than what you achieve and in art, i'm always more interested in the finished piece rather than the steps taken in creating it........i'm interested in it's impact upon me as a complete work rather than valuing the methods used. Of course, this is all opinion! :) |
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ok, I agree with you about life. but still keep my opinion on art so for me its always the process |
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I can see that for the creator, the process is important.............perhaps paramount for the audience, the piece should stand on its merits and not on it's history |
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and thanks for the most intelligent discussion i've had all week! |
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*cough**cough* |
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actually it was the name of your song what made me think of the thread question |
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yes, but is the thread of greater value than the song? |
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I think in work the result is more important. By work, I mean something done to earn a living, even if it is selling your art. Whilst the behaviour of some corporations is appaling, caring only about the finished product and not how they make it (screwing over people or the environment to make the product cheaper), the vast majority of consumers care about the end product and not the way it was made. In recreation on the other hand, the process is usually the most fulfilling part- it feel a lot better to achieve something in a difficult way than the easy option. For example, climbing a mountain on a more difficult route... Completing a videogame on "Expert" difficulty as opposed to easy, etc. |
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but if the result is important... isnt it really important a nice process? a an ambicious proces will surely lead to a great result. (somebody already said that in the thread) its like in football (soccer). there are this coaches that only worry about the result, but dont care about playing beautiful football... but in that case if you loose what have you got? nothing. but if a team plays good football it will surely win also, and if they loose at least they have the feeling of having played really good. good football leads normally to lots of triumphs |
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In work I don't think most people care about the process- consumers, and hence managers (ie bosses) want the job done as well as possible for as little amount of money. Sure, you could pay a professional graphics designer a few thousand pounds to do custom illustrations for your annual report and a very stylish cover, but if it's only being sent to 5 shareholders is it really worth the company doing that rather than using clip art? They could make their statements in advertising blurb, reports etc. more accurate by financing independent research into the subject, but that's expensive and may not neccisarily show the results you want... far better to spend half an hour on google and find some research that has already been done and agrees with what you're saying and just reference that instead. |
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I dont doubt this: in real life people just care about the result, this is a society of results, and if possible fast results... but I think society shoul give more value to the process... I think it is here where one really learns and evolves |
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when making music the process determines the end result.. . so they are basically the same thing.. . but an audience doesnt hear the process as much as the musician.. . so by default the process of little matter.. . the process is also the thing I hate the most. .. |
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If you totally enjoy what you're into, such as painting perhaps, then I'd say both the process and the result are enjoyable. |
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think nacmat was interesting in what you think, rather than what society thinks :) without the process the result may never exist. I see the process as like a building up to the result, so without an adequate process the 'jump' to the result would be too great to achieve. |
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...was ^interested^ in what.... |
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actually, people keep saying that the process in making music is of no interest to the audience, but that's not always true. I find it really interesting to see how certain albums are produced. Quite a few stories about Jim O'Rourke (Sonic youth) production that are really interesting, and people on this MB are always asking about software/hardware that aphextwin uses to create his music. I think the process is probably MORE important. |
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the process |
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Without one you can't have the other. Its all opinions. The chase is better then the catch says Motorhead. |
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Example: music. From an artist's point of view, the process is most important. Just. If an artist is putting nothing into their work, and I'm putting everything into mine (or know someone putting everything into theirs), I value that which has most effort put in, from an artistic point of view. From a pleasure point of view, whatever sounds good to me is my favourite... so the result. |
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To me... the relsult always reminds me of the process, so they are as important as each other. you cna enjoy a result if you weren't part of the process but not as much. you'd be gutted if you didn't experience the result of a process you were involved in. both these instances can be forgotten about fairly quickly compared to being involved in both the process and the result. |
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i quite agree with Ceri JC... well, both are important. and it depends, too. |
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I like art where the process is the result. Like a line on the page where i can go wow i can see how they made that mark with a big swipe across tha.. . . mm m m Where the result is merely a residue of the process of making. Would you rather see a dj cutting and blending and experimenting or someone just playing an amazing pre-recorded record? |
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the process can be a result itself, a beautiful one |
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cie jiks mawp > but, when for example the dj cuts and blends and experiments, there IS a result which is not the process: the process is what the dj makes but the result is what you hear! if it was just the process, you wouldn't hear anything since what you hear is the result... |
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in that case process and result are almost one |
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Yes, anything with near to zero latency that isn't being recorded is pretty much the result and process. Think of jamming on Re-birth with a midi-controller or scratching records with no audience. |
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in the relationship i've been pursuing for the last couple of months it's been all about process, including great highs and terrible lows. and still we're nowhere. so the enjoyability of the process has been, well, weird, and there is no result (still) to speak of. it's not over and it's not on, if you know what i mean. and yet the process has stopped, or so it seems. hmm. maybe i should do some more thinking. but i'm tired of that. anyway. that's my vent for the day :) |
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Rubbing your shaft is more fun than shooting your sex-wee at the end, no? |
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good process produces good product, therefore process is more important I'd say. Very unlikely to have a terrible process and produce a great piece of work. I know when I'm having fun making music the product sounds better. |
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so when we have to do anything, anywork whatever.... we must not look to the result but to give all our effort to the process, so that we get a good result |
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