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Brother (the typewriter company) has signed on to provide continuous maintenance of the typewriters and ink refills. |
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If anything, single celled organisms are god: all life came from them. nah... why do you think that? |
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Cause I said so. |
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Of course I believe in life on other planets. I believe that God is not shaped like a human (why the fuck would he need to be?) I believe that the world was created in more than 7 billion years, not 7 days. I believe that there are many falsehoods in the Bible. However, despite all of this, I still believe in the teachings of Jesus, Buddha and Lao Tzu. If you have ever spent a considerable amount of time with either of these three (among others), you would reconsider your notions that life is about more than fucking. Religion / spirituality isn't about incence, bells, goats blood, sacrifices, rituals and holy wars, it's about a truth that is understood, and not known. |
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hey... you believe in the theory of evolution? |
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What about the atomic particles that are necessary for single celled organisms to exist? I would reckon that God is more like an electron. |
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Yes...I believe in the theory of evolution. It's virtually impossible to dispute it. Although; are genetic mutations RANDOM, or is there a method to this madness? Genetic mutations are necesssary for evolution, but do you think these mutations are entirely unguided or uninfluenced? If so, how would you prove your case? |
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so you don't believe in gradual evolution? |
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I mean like through adaption |
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Science can either be a threat or an asset to religion. Personally, the more I understand this universe, the more I find it difficult to deny the existence of a "God" or consciousness beyond our own. There are more reasons to believe than reasons not to. |
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"If you throw 1,000 monkeys onto typewriters, for an infinite amount of time, eventually, one of these monkeys will type Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet verbatim" So therefore, if you are a purely physical being, constructed of atoms etc... then your body will one day reform through sheer mathematical chance... Some philosophers used to actually go along with that - Think it's quite an old idea - But then, one day your body would reform with a female sumo wrestler embedded in your scrotum, a shopping centre coming out of your ear, etc... Also, the only part that REALLY makes you "you" would be your central cortex, which is only a square cm large (i think!) - So that's even better chance of reforming - Maybe you'd happen to reform in the body of a man with six arms... I personally don't go along with that - But if the universe was merely atoms, infinite time, and mathematical probability then it would have to happen one day. |
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Adaptation? Like one organism carries a trait that gives it an advantage over other speices, and through it's survival, it reproduces offspring that carry the new genetic trait? Adaptation can also occur for a single being, in a single lifetime. Each time I go to the gym, my muscles adapt to weight they are exposed to, and my body adapts by retaining and increasing muscle fibre density. |
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Catharsis, i think the bottom line is that you want/need spiritual guidance and I do not. Which I respect you for, don't get me wrong. I haven't read anything other than parts of the bible due to my catholic upbringing, but nor do I have any desire to, any more than I have a desire to read a Harlequin romance. |
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was that an answer to my question? |
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I am actually very rational, brought up being heavily into computers, science, AI, etc... used to program AI when I was 19 quite seriously - almost went on to study it long-term etc.. But through deconditioning myself I cannot possibly deny the existance of God - (only my humble opinion of course) - But feel as if I can see and feel God's presense every moment of the day - I feel my own consious awareness is a small part of God - I thoroghly go along with and admire "true" christians and followers of many other religions - i respect that open-mindedness more than just about anything else in this world. |
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It may look like chaos at first glance, but there is a TREMENDOUS prevalence of order if you look carefully at the universe. What you see out your window is more than random coincidence of bouncing atoms and probabilities. |
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Hey, who knows what's down the pike in a few billion more years. I highly doubt the scenario you brought up, but the entropy in the universe changes at a rate that none of us can discern. The sunis not infinite, therefore the world is not infinite. As the sun collapses upon itself, life on this planet will be reshaped one way or the other. |
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Paul Davies wrote an excellent book "The Mind of God" all about the underlying beauty of cosmic order. |
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I agree with your last statement J Swift, I feel the same way. Atgmartin, I respect your views and I'm glad that you've not let me persuade you. I would be a hypocrite if I insisted that you adopt my perspective. Key_Secret, I'm not qutie sure what you're getting at, but if my interpretation of adaptation is corret, than yes, I believe in adaptation. |
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But your body does adapt genetically, only cosmetically. Your genes are not going to be passed along with bigger muscles (!) rather, your genes carry with them the information that determines how your offspring's muscles will respond to repeated stress and at what rate. |
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Einstein is actually among my great spiritual teachers. Mass, energy and light are constant - do these elements comprise "God"? Our Sun will burn out, but nothing is lost, merely transformed. |
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I was referring to adaptation of a single lifetime and single organism. Ever heard of collective unconsciousness? |
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Nothing is lost except life as we know it. |
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the reason I was asking is because I don't believe in the adoption-thingy... And you and I are similar in some ways, I feel... so I was just wondering... Are there really such a thing as "coincidence"? I mean even science try to prove there isn't (by making laws everywhere possible). I don't really believe in coincidence, it's just a thing you can say when you don't understand something. |
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No |
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But our energy and our mass will endure. |
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Sure, that's true. I think where we disagree is that I don't belive our essence will endure. |
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Its a theory that attempts to explain how things like fear of a specific creature (e.g. a snake), can be passed through offspring to offspring. Carl Jung has described collective unconciousness and how universal feelings / emotions, etc, can coincide with exposure from anything to a specific animal, situation, or even human symbols. |
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If we suggest that our "essence" is "God" do you think that God will endure? |
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I wouldn't suggest that our essence is god. I would suggest that there is no god. |
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OK then...one simple question. If you believe that our universe was created by a tremendous explosion of mass, can you tell me when this mass came together, and where the ingredients for this mass could have been found before its existence. I realize that neither you nor I can answer this question, I'm just curious as to what your ideas might be. |
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When did the universe begin? I the Milky Way the original galaxy? I think not. Stars die, galaxies die with them, energy and mass are concentrated, dispersed, concentrated again, but differently. You could ask yourself: what was god before it was god? |
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Yes, I like it when theistic persons try to use that argument, when it can equally be turned around to say "WHat made God? WHat was there before there was God?" |
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So when did this collection of stars and planets come into being? Can you explain why the universe is continually expanding? (the stars are moving farther and farther from each other) So you're suggesting that black holes will once again become stars? |
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It would seem more likely that one would have to be created and one would not, unless they were one and the same. |
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Unless you're suggesting that millions of galaxies gave birth to God, I think we know the answer to your question. |
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catharsis : you missed this post? anyway, I'm off to eat some veggies, have a nice day :) |
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There is a sort of 'negative pressure' associated with the vaccuum of space, along with dark matter. Black holes do eventually evaporate, for the details, I don't remember, I think I read about it in "A Brief History of Time". Currently, it doesn't look like there is enough matter to hold the universe together, thus our universe is a "run-away" universe and will continue to expand at an increasing rate. Eventually, matter and energy will be too dilute to support any kind of life here. |
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it is fascinating to speculate on the nature of life and of the self awareness of man. for some people it brings great comfort to know that we are here for a purpose and that our spirits are immortal; that something greater awaits us after life. i can not deny that my existance is a remarkable occurance. whether it is a product of coincidence or destiny does not concern me. my only concern is that i take full advantage of it because i believe it is extremely likely that i will not get another life after this one. |
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Unless there is tremendous kinetic energy that is propelling galaxies away from eachother. An enormous explosion of mass and energy might be enough to send stars and planets millions of lightyears away from eachother given enough time. |
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Definition of the word "I" requires an entirely different thread. |
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but it wouldn't be accelerating, like it is |
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I think the big bang created time too didn't it...? Energy created space/time right? (I'm not all that clued up on physics so correct me if I'm slightly out!). So there was no before - Your brain thinks in linear time like that, but that's another thing that keeps you/us really seeing things propelry.. Physics often points towards a God or some sort because there are sets of universal constants that are finely balanced throghout reality, and slight deviation in any of them would result in either: the big bang would just shoot energy out into infinity; or it would explode and gravity would pull it all back together... apparently the balance of all these constants (the mass of an electron, speed of light, etc..) is so perfectly balanced, to the extent that matter can form from light particles, chemicals and amino acids can form from matter, live can form from chemicals, then ultimately consiousness and awareness can form from life - Everything being interconnected in a kind of fabric of reality rather than a bunch of atoms floating in space - the universe, like one giant 4dimensional organism has attained consiousness and life - and many of us are unknowing participants, only aware of our localised consiousness... Afterall, the only thing that tells you where you physically are is your sensory organs, the only thing that makes you "you" is your unique memories - I kind of think of the consious element as being universal and possibly omni-present, not really existing in the world/level of physical matter in any way, just connected through certain pathways.. |
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Is there something pushing or pulling? |
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J Swift, there are some really dope psychology experiments on Buddhist monks who have attained enlightenment. It's quite freaky actually. |
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Generally, they don't use the term "I", and don't adapt to anything other than the present moment. Phrases like "I am watering the lawn", are replaced with "the lawn is being watered". It's as though the ego dissolves. Similarly, one study found that these monks could not adapt to repeated gong rings. Even after several minutes, the monks would still display signs of shock after every gong ring, while "regular" control subjects soon learned to anticipate the gong rings. |
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Yeah, there was no time before the big bang, and there is no time without space. |
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we always like to talk about things which we know the less about |
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weird, interesting |
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So what do you think is the significance of this? (genuine curiosity) |
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