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         |  Asche XL
             on 2003-08-06 09:12 [#00811723] Points: 4241 Status: Lurker
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 | I picked A 
 Although it'd be nice to have it all finished at launch, i'm
 am so fuckin excited to see what you guys been up to all
 this time.
 
 
 
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         |  WooferAttack
             from Milano (Italy) on 2003-08-06 09:18 [#00811733] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker | Followup to afxNUMB: #00811600
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 | yes, i am. old pic anyway... some year ago. 
 
 
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         |  WooferAttack
             from Milano (Italy) on 2003-08-06 09:18 [#00811736] Points: 12920 Status: Lurker | Followup to WooferAttack: #00811733
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 | i was in a rockabilly period... 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 09:21 [#00811742] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Show recordbag
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 | Well, to be honest, even tho we release it in forehand we cant include all info as they are parts of something
 bigger.
 
 so "that is all they've done?" comments are quite misleading
 and should be avoided.
 
 
 
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         |  afxNUMB
             from So.Flo on 2003-08-06 09:23 [#00811748] Points: 7099 Status: Regular
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 | "limit limit---thats another funny word" tommy boy 
 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:25 [#00811751] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Followup to Phobiazero: #00811742 | Show recordbag
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 | Are any sections 100% to your satisfaction? 
 
 
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         |  recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:26 [#00811754] Points: 40934 Status: Regular | Followup to Phobiazero: #00811742
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 | sounds good mate !! 
 any anyone that says "that is all they've done?"
 
 BAN THEM !!
 
 
 
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         |  Joyrex
             from watmm.com (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:27 [#00811759] Points: 1389 Status: Lurker
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 | Well, I could be really snide and sarcastic about all this, but I know how hard it is to do a site like this or
 mine, and that no matter how long you work on it, it will
 never be finished, and making the decision to launch or not
 in an unfinished state is a big one and has benefits and
 consequences:
 
 Benefits:
 1) get user feedback - always a good thing
 2) keep your users happy
 3) you keep up-to-date on the site content
 
 Consequences:
 1) It's been delayed a long time... people are expecting a
 lot, and launching unfinished might alientate some users
 2) Launching incomplete has a tendency to complicate things
 in terms of changes to content, etc. - once it's up, it can
 be hard to pull it back for maintenance, redesign, etc.
 3) Because of the long wait and anticipation that's built
 up, what has been done might be underwhelming and again
 alienate users.
 
 I think it would be good to launch and get user feedback and
 go from there... at least then people would rally behind you
 more than they already do (which is a good thing). However,
 if it's no more than Aphextwin.nu, Autechre.nu and your old
 Plaid site repackaged, people might be upset (I'm sure it's
 much, much more than that though). I think you should launch
 it, in whatever state it's in - after all, I launched with
 literally 2% content and I managed to work things out
 allright (I think). I'm still not done either! :)
 
 Best of luck in whatever you decide Phob!
 
 
 
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         |  recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:29 [#00811763] Points: 40934 Status: Regular
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 | LAUNCH IT ! 
 
 
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         |  afxNUMB
             from So.Flo on 2003-08-06 09:33 [#00811775] Points: 7099 Status: Regular
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 | REcycle-youre bad! 
 It will come sooner than you think....patience, take yer
 time :D
 
 
 
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         |  Morton
             from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-06 09:34 [#00811780] Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to Joyrex: #00811759
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 | agreed, i think you're too affraid people will be disappointed phob, but knowing a lot of members here a
 little, they will appreciate everything that has been
 done and give constructive feedback on some parts
 
 i hope you let the poll-result/the members make the
 decision
 (not that you should, after all it's your project, but still
 i hope you will)
 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 09:35 [#00811782] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Followup to Joyrex: #00811759 | Show recordbag
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 | thanks joyrex: 
 >Benefits:
 1) get user feedback - always a good thing
 yes
 2) keep your users happy
 yes
 3) you keep up-to-date on the site content
 hmmm....
 
 Consequences:
 1) It's been delayed a long time... people are expecting
 a
 lot, and launching unfinished might alientate some users
 
 yes, it'll be a nice filter.
 2) Launching incomplete has a tendency to complicate
 things
 in terms of changes to content, etc. - once it's up, it can
 
 be hard to pull it back for maintenance, redesign, etc.
 
 not in this case...
 3) Because of the long wait and anticipation that's built
 
 up, what has been done might be underwhelming and again
 alienate users.
 expectations sucks.
 
 get the whole-lot alive, would put pressure on us to work
 even harder and it's easier to make priorities on what the
 users really need.
 
 
 
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         |  Murray
             from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:36 [#00811786] Points: 4891 Status: Lurker
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 | I hope it's like Ovuca's website. 
 This is obviously me being an idiot
 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 09:39 [#00811794] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Followup to Murray: #00811786 | Show recordbag
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 | we havent even got minor inspiration from no other sites out there.
 
 
 
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         |  Joyrex
             from watmm.com (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:39 [#00811795] Points: 1389 Status: Lurker
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 | I 100% agree Phob - what I meant about keeping your site content up-to-date is in relation to news... it's hard to
 add content like that after the fact, as it's lost some of
 it's relevance. You've lost out on more than a year's of
 electronic music events and news (both big and small), and I
 think the users here would appreciate reading the news here
 and on my site to get the both of best worlds.
 
 And yes, expectations do suck, but that's what life's all
 about - what you have to decide is how important your
 expectations versus someone elses' are to you.
 
 And yes, launching would make you work a lot harder in
 getting it done, and also to decide what's important.
 Although it does give you gray hair (you don't even wanna
 see pics of me now since watmm launched) :)
 
 
 
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         |  recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:40 [#00811797] Points: 40934 Status: Regular | Followup to Murray: #00811786
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 | http://www.ovuca.com/ 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2003-08-06 09:40 [#00811800] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | yes.  launch now. 
 everything joyrex mentioned is probably true.  but,  as of
 right now this site is dead in the water (as far as content
 goes).
 
 and since no one is sure of how much longer it'll be until
 the site is launch worthy.  i say any taste at all of what
 the future holds will breathe much needed life into the
 site, generate buzz, generate trafic, and be neat overall.
 
 
 
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         |  Murray
             from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:43 [#00811804] Points: 4891 Status: Lurker
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 | No...you see. what i meant was, i want it to be like Ovuca's site (this is a joke as Ovuca's site has nothing on it).
 
 i really want Xltronic to come up. Like i really really do.
 I would just be happy if i saw the layout.
 
 But the thing is (i feel) is that no matter how amazing the
 site is. the messageboard is probably the first thing im
 going to go to.
 
 
 
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         |  Murray
             from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:43 [#00811805] Points: 4891 Status: Lurker | Followup to Murray: #00811804
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 | Last statement subject to change 
 
 
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         |  Jarworski
             from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:44 [#00811806] Points: 10836 Status: Lurker
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 | Sounds like it's decided 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 09:44 [#00811807] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Followup to Joyrex: #00811795 | Show recordbag
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 | i can imagine grey hair... 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:44 [#00811808] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Followup to Jarworski: #00811806 | Show recordbag
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 | I haven't given my word yet. 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:46 [#00811811] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Followup to giginger: #00811808 | Show recordbag
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 | I have no idea what I meant by that or why it was a reply to you mate.
 
 
 
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         |  Murray
             from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:49 [#00811814] Points: 4891 Status: Lurker | Followup to Phobiazero: #00811807
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 | The first picture of Joyrex i have seen. I may just explode. Joyrex has always remained elusive behind his DJ Cartoon.
 
 Yep...here i go =)
 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 09:51 [#00811818] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Followup to Murray: #00811814 | Show recordbag
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 | it was posted on watmm mb some months ago, so i guess its kinda official, its not that i've dig up some old shit and
 revealing a secret.
 
 
 
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         |  Joyrex
             from watmm.com (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:57 [#00811821] Points: 1389 Status: Lurker
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 | Awww man, why'd you have to go and post that crappy old pic of me? :)
 
 I actually have less gray hair than that... but it won't be
 long before I do!
 
 I'll have to post the updated pic of me that my son took -
 it's pretty cool (I think).
 
 We're getting off the subject though.... :)
 
 So make it official and launch August 7th, 2003 -
 after all, last year you said  August 7th, just not what
 year ;)
 
 
 
 
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         |  aquagak
             from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-08-06 09:57 [#00811822] Points: 4399 Status: Regular
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 | should i add joyrex's pic to this? 
 
 
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         |  recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:57 [#00811823] Points: 40934 Status: Regular | Followup to Phobiazero: #00811807
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 | lol, grandpa Joyrex !! 
 classic :0)
 
 
 
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         |  Jarworski
             from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 09:57 [#00811824] Points: 10836 Status: Lurker
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 | I remember thinking how much Joyrex looks like my mate Ben, and here I am again doing the same dang thing. Not sure
 about that purple rinse though ;)
 
 
 
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         |  Joyrex
             from watmm.com (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:58 [#00811826] Points: 1389 Status: Lurker
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 | Oh, and to add, if there is one thing that seemed to annoy visitors to my site more than anything, it's dead/broken
 links - at least make them go to a "coming soon" or a blank
 template page so people don't get as disappointed.
 
 
 
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         |  recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-08-06 09:59 [#00811827] Points: 40934 Status: Regular | Followup to aquagak: #00811822
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 | YES ! can you also add me ?
 
 <-----------here i am.
 
 
 
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         |  aquagak
             from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-08-06 10:00 [#00811828] Points: 4399 Status: Regular
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 | done and done recycle 
 
 
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         |  Joyrex
             from watmm.com (United States) on 2003-08-06 10:00 [#00811829] Points: 1389 Status: Lurker
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 | Good lord no... add my cartoon DJ pic :) 
 
 
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         |  aquagak
             from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-08-06 10:02 [#00811830] Points: 4399 Status: Regular
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 | ok the cartoon pic then :) 
 
 
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         |  Murray
             from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 10:03 [#00811834] Points: 4891 Status: Lurker
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 | http://knupsselesu.mysite.freeserve.com/page4.html 
 Add me too aquagak, im the third one down on the right.
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2003-08-06 10:06 [#00811837] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | i cast my vote with joyrex. 
 set a date, make it live, and every dead link should point
 to a single 'coming soon' page with a hillarious picture,
 and a witty tag line.
 
 
 
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         |  aquagak
             from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-08-06 10:08 [#00811839] Points: 4399 Status: Regular
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 | me too im with joyrex and epohs 
 
 
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         |  Morton
             from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-06 10:10 [#00811841] Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to aquagak: #00811839
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 | same here 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 10:11 [#00811843] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Show recordbag
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 | its quite simple to deal with. a sweet 404 page. 
 
 
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         |  Murray
             from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-06 10:11 [#00811844] Points: 4891 Status: Lurker
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 | So what's the chances we will see a Xltronic tomorrow Phob? 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 10:17 [#00811848] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Followup to Murray: #00811844 | Show recordbag
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 | let me put it this way... releasing xltronic tomorrow would be similiar to run the 100 m final in the olympic games with
 the knowledge you haven't even left your bed during the past
 3 months. very frustrating. thats how i feel.
 
 on the other hand. there are loads of goods things to! like
 participating in the olympics! imagine that!
 
 
 
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         |  aquagak
             from Berlin (Germany) on 2003-08-06 10:19 [#00811851] Points: 4399 Status: Regular
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 | haha 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 10:21 [#00811854] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Followup to Phobiazero: #00811848 | Show recordbag
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 | you know you can do better, but you have to run in your current condition. frustrating!
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-06 10:37 [#00811869] Points: 27859 Status: Regular | Followup to Phobiazero: #00811854
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 | give in to the majority 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-06 10:37 [#00811870] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | maybe you could just release a bit that HAS been finished 
 
 
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         |  Phobiazero
             from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2003-08-06 10:58 [#00811894] Points: 10507 Status: Webmaster | Followup to earthleakage: #00811870 | Show recordbag
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 | everything's integrated.... but we'll try to separate stuff. if we NOW decide to release it. it hasn't been decided yet.
 
 
 
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         |  nacmat
             on 2003-08-06 11:01 [#00811901] Points: 31275 Status: Lurker | Followup to Phobiazero: #00811894
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 | dischography maybe? 
 I can wait asa long as it takes though... I know it will be
 worth the wait
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-06 11:10 [#00811913] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | just let me view it and no-one else so i can feel good about myself for 5 seconds
 
 
 
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         |  rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-08-06 11:12 [#00811915] Points: 7983 Status: Lurker
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 | now youve brought it up phobia0, you Have to put it up :) 
 
 
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         |  ziggomatic
             from ??....uv ajed...deja vu....?? on 2003-08-06 11:22 [#00811919] Points: 2523 Status: Lurker
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 | "I WANT IT NOW DADDY!"  "I WANT THE GOLDEN EGG!" 
 "OH, BUT, VARUKA, DARLING, SWEETHEART!"
 
 
 
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