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ok... I ve been thinking about how many of richard´s albums are really compilations of tracks he had done over the years... see: saw 85-92 surfing on sine waves (his works from 86 to 89, except some of the tracks, like quoth) I care because you do (if we consider the dates he wrote in the back artwork of the cd some tracks are from 1990 and the release came out in 1995) drukqs: we have all heard theories about how there are tracks here he had done from the early nineties so really most of richard´s albums are not really albums but compilations... maybe the RDJ album is really an album, but I am not even sure about this... as I am not sure either with saw II so, when has richard done an album in all its meaning, this is, with each track thought to be for that album since the first moment? |
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Good call nacmat. 26 mixes for Cash falls into that catergory too :P |
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well of course there are compilations that are of course considered as compilations: 26 mixes, caustic window compilation, classics, singles collection 51/13... |
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What about Caustic Window? What's the deal with that one? The joyrex series were all released about the same time yeah? RDJ album was all one era too I think |
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saw2 perhaps? drukqs sound like tracks are build in an album, no matter what the theories |
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but the caustic window is not an album... its a compilation of the joyrex eps... its true that they were all created in the same year (or nearly) but they were meant to be diferent eps (as they are) that later in 1998 were compiled in this compilation.... my point was about the albums... those albums meant to be albums but that in my opinion are really compilations too |
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Analogue Bubblebath 3 and definitely mike & rich album :) |
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so: saw II are all ambient tracks created to be in that album? rdj album, mike & rich and abb3 really seem to be albums as I understand an album |
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dont know why he called the selected :) |
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Hmmmm, yes. I suppose in a way it is. |
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well perhaps its kinda boring to do and album. instead its quite fun doing tracks and its possible to do one track with these kind of progs and stuff, have a change and do that kind of stuff and later go back to the old ones. maybe he uses this kind of stuff, gets bored with it makes some tunes in a nother way with other equipment and has a listen to the year old song, somehow gets a idea how to make something new with that old machine... maybe i say crap, maybe he even "inspired" himself considering that as a development of means, which he thought he had used until they were spent but then has a new idea or way to combinate with newer softs or synths... ajsfbaufbabfjkwbfiuwebfwaefb |
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anyway its quite smart not rushing things and wait until you think its riped out. or the right cimbination of tracks is there. its like doing a unlimited number of albums at the same time and sometimes one finishes... |
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yeah...its better to do tracks when u feel like it rather than to sit and feel pressured to make tracks to complete an album that has to be delivered to the record company. |
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interesting point... but have autechre been slaves of their record label?... they really did lots of albums (real albums)... |
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I would assume that SAW2 was also a compilation of ambient stuff he made over a couple of years. Blue Calx appears on The Philosophy of Sound and Machine, which was out about 3 years prior to SAW2 I believe. |
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so that leaves us with just with 3 albums so far : rdj album, mike & rich and abb3 abb3 isnt even considered an album (as it was released as an ep) |
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i think come to daddy was made in the way you describe as making an album, because i remember in an interview he mentioned staying up for a long time to finish it by a certain time. but i think most artists make albums in a similar way of just making tracks and then compiling them.. usually tracks made within the same general time period will be similar enough thematically and stylistically that it seems they were made with the idea of an album in mind. |
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rdj album actually an album...well when we think about it the way you do nacmat, it could possibly not be an album because 2 tracks off of it also appear on his unreleased melodies from mars. |
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i think you give much importance to the concept of an 'album' and i blame radiohead for this. |
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the concept of album albums are good things e.g. mellon collie and the infinite sadness by the smashing pumpkins is like a sine wave in its rapid changes from fall asleep music to head beaters and it was made that way |
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OMG!!!!! don't tell me that I've been buying compilations all these years :(, I can't stand them, I only dare buy albums, *runs to his lp/cd collection and starts destroying all his afx "compilations" yelling "damm compilations, how dare you try and fool us with this imitation music", jk, I couldn't really care less, :) |
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sorry.... I was maybe being too anal but I just wanted to give some thought to the matter... its not important really if they are compiled tracks or concept albums... for me i care because you do is the perfect album... no matter if it was made out of compilling tracks over the years... |
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I think if you "force" an album by intentionally making all the tracks have a similair sound/theme intentionally, it might get boring. If you make 30-40 tracks over a couple of years, then pick the best/ones that fit together you could still get an album that sounds a cohesive whole, same instruments/equipment/software, similair atmosphere etc. without having to force 12 tracks that are all linked. Even non electronic bands do this, I'm sure Radiohead have done it as a lot of their tracks off EPs are recognisable as of a certain era, and are probably the tracks that didn't make it onto the album. |
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I think probably a whole lot of idm "albums" are made in the same way, only richard is being honest about it. Because... for traditional albums you need a recordingstudio to create an album. So a band rents a studio for a couple of weeks, and in that time they create an album. But all these laptop-artists... they make all their music at home, all the time. I imagine ALOT of their albums are just the best tracks from the last couple of months thrown together. |
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Yeah, with a traditional band they'd practice the songs first and probably pick most of the ones for the album before recording them... just record a few extra in case one or more of the others aren't quite up to scratch. |
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so aphex doesnt need to go to a studio to end a release... like for the final producing or so? |
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im pretty sure his home studio is much better equiped than many other profesional studios |
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In IDM more than other genres, artists seem to have more of a say in the final mastering/production... I read in one interview that Richard was "off to EQ some tracks" which would suggest he does all the mastering himself. There's no reason he couldn't just supply the DAT with the final tracks on it to the label for pressing. |
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I guess variety has been the hallmark of most AFX releases...and sitting and making the whole thing in one go might make it a little bland...I dunno...I guess it is better to make tracks...and if after a little while you can still listen to them, that is the true mark of a great track. Some tracks that you make, you can't bear to hear after a while...and those would be the shite ones that can be thrown out... I am guessing Aphex lets his tracks cure for a while...like good wine..before releasing...ar atleast used to at any rate, back in the day when he still cared about making music and not just making our ears bleed. |
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so it can be said aphex never did a concept album? |
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well it's a tricky question. I really do think most of his albums contain tracks recorded over several months or years. But perhaps when he was putting all of those together, he made some extra tracks specifically to make the whole thing flow better as an album. Like: "it'd be great to put a nice mellow track here" or "now all i need is a good song to end the album." Some of his albums flow so well, that some thought must have been put behind that. I think they are compilations, but the tracks are not just randomly thrown together. But i'll suppose we'll never know for sure a 100% :-) |
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i remember having him said that albums take a long way because of mastering which is very timeconsuming. (i dont wanna say this makes him take so long until he releases new stuff) i dont really understand this, because when he does a song at home he tries to make it sound perfect, doesnt he? so wheres the dealio? does it sound different in our homes? |
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i wouldnt consider rdj album an "album" - like what you are talking about. the tracks on the album were done at different times... i.e. the tracks that appeared on melodies from mars (the precursor to rdjalbum) then appeared on rdj album. but even with that said i have to disagree with your definition a little.. i mean, lots of artists collect tracks from different time periodss to put on an album.. especially artists who pump out new tracks almost daily.. |
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oops. lobster man already said that. ~ anyhow, richards tracks are like hot beer shits. he just needs to get them out of his body. we're lucky he records them and let us hear the really good ones... |
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