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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-16 04:18 [#00742527]
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apart from the remix, this release is just great! the two noise tracks are great!
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Erronous
from Netherlands, The on 2003-06-16 04:20 [#00742531]
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the first one is the best!
I think this is better quality 'noise' than Merzbow
you?
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nacmat
on 2003-06-16 04:20 [#00742532]
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glad to see other opinions... I ordered it on mns and they havent even shipped it... I am not glad
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-06-16 04:21 [#00742534]
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blergh, the noise tracks are rubbish IMO
the remix is quite OK though
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-16 04:22 [#00742536]
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why do you believe that they're rubbish? :O they each have a lot going on in them, good dynamics, good rhythms!
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-06-16 04:24 [#00742538]
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at last.... i've yet to hear them on a proper sound system, but on headphones you can really feel the pressure and the crispation(?) of higher freq making you feel not that great :D
one Q tho, doesn't anybody find his copy lacking in very-low end? even in the remix i find no mega sub-bass...
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-06-16 04:24 [#00742539]
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noise lacks emotion imo. and it is so easy to make. I just can't believe that it is as hard to create as IDM/drill 'n bass. Look at how many tracks Merzbow has created. to me noise creation seems a routine job. Good noise can be made in less than an hour.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 04:27 [#00742544]
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The more I listen to it the more I like it. The sound tracks (not really noise) are very interesting to listen to.
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-06-16 04:33 [#00742548]
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the remix is pretty good, crazy old skool jungle style, only madder :) i find the kpta's intresting, i like #1 better than #2. I'll be buying this cd soon
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-16 04:33 [#00742549]
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well, I don't know how you say that though - I mean, I've never created a noise track myself, but the 2 major tracks of smojphace don't sound like they were knocked up in an hour.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-06-16 04:41 [#00742558]
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every tracks on this release lacks in some way for me.
i like some parts of the remix, especially the new "bärng bärng" bassline and what rich did with the voices.
but the drill was done very crappy imo. sounds like a messed up amen, sounds like evryone could do it.
i got to admit that the first time i heard it i had to get up and jump to the beat.
rating: maybe 5/10
ktpa1 is good. im not much into noise but this is what it let me feel:
min. 1: oh this is noise but my ears are fine. felt kinda whoaa aggressive!
later: interesting sounds later: nice noisy "rhythm" almost wanted to dance or at least nod the had in quick spastics
later: i had to laugh at the end of the song i went through all these moods and thoughts, which is my prove that this song is worthwhile listening to.
i had to think of a complex mathematical equation and though i didnt know why i somehow believe i had similar feelings in those songs.
kpta2 (gotta listen again) mediocre after one listen (too high noise)
i dont think this is a very good release, think about NOT buying this
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-06-16 04:42 [#00742560]
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Noise tracks sound too "randomised" for my liking. I wouldn't hear the difference between a track that is done somewhere between dinner and dessert and a "noise masterpiece" (of which I doubt they exist). I think that it all comes down to some good equipment and smart knob twiddling. I don't see any perfectionism whatsoever in noise and I therefore dislike it.
To each his own taste I guess. People who like noise tracks: By all means enjoy it! It's just not my thing because of the abovementioned reasons. :)
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-16 04:51 [#00742567]
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that bassline is created from the vocal you will find if you listen carefully
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2003-06-16 05:23 [#00742590]
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you like those noise tracks? I know how you can make more. Put your dvd into your cd player
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-06-16 05:24 [#00742591]
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thats incredible, well hes a master with voices . today some snares sounded better to me than yesterdays listen.
its funny, yesterdy i had a 1 listen thought: great 2. listen: ok 3. listen (drunk): shit today its ok
at min 3.50 it gets a bit boring was todays issue. he is so brilliantly playing jungle in his sets. i liked that better.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2003-06-16 05:27 [#00742593]
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I remember rdj said in a recent interview that the only thing he couldn't listen to was high pitched noise. So, i think we all know now why he has released this stuff. He doesn't like it either.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-06-16 05:28 [#00742596]
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btw can i have yer e-mail adresse? id like to know whats going in london occasionally.
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-06-16 05:33 [#00742599]
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RDJ says all kinds of bullshit in interviews
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-06-16 05:36 [#00742603]
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well i think the term "noise" already indicates that its a thing you dont really "like".
i think the art in noise is that you scare or annoy people with sounds and in between you put some parts that let you enjoy the pain stopping or to have a laugh.
some parts maybe contain interesting sounds aswell.
from this point of view the best part of kpta2 is when it stops. :)
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2003-06-16 05:44 [#00742611]
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i think rich is turning into yoko ono
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-16 05:48 [#00742618]
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imo masami akita makes much better noise tracks than rdj with his ktpa's
i may sound strange but merzbow noise sometimes even has a calming effect on me, i do not at all get annoyed while listening to it, i love how the room is filled with his noise
these ktpa tracks by rdj on the other hand pretty much annoy me, they indeed lack something
imo these tracks are a failed experiment, james must accept that he can't do all styles of electronic music or try harder before releasing something
i wonder what merzbow thinks of these tracks
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-16 05:51 [#00742622]
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well i think the term "noise" already indicates that its a thing you dont really "like".
i think the art in noise is that you scare or annoy people with sounds and in between you put some parts that let you enjoy the pain stopping or to have a laugh.
:) heh this reminds me of a quote by merzbow:
"If noise is defined as uncomfortable sound, then pop music is noise to me"
- Masami Akita
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-16 05:55 [#00742628]
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do you think that J-HOK is copying and pasting all our comments right now, for richard to have a giggle at? I do!
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2003-06-16 05:56 [#00742630]
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if you like noise, go here & check out viodre.
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-16 05:58 [#00742631]
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heheh could be yes :) or richard has a look here himself
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-06-16 06:03 [#00742639]
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i bet he looks himself. he must be curious and this mb is the only one i know where peep constanctly post their opinions.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-06-16 06:11 [#00742647]
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i feel uncomfortable with most of pop aswell, i guess thats what links most of us together here.
but i dont wanna hack on pop, some is quite well.
i know what noise can mean to one. when i think back of come to daddy then its the noisiest thing i like and i loved it filling the room. its really bad ass.
i tried some merzbow after i wnated to figure out bdsm. but that didnt give me much. but i could imagine punishing a beauty with these sounds. it must be particularly funny because she would totally lose the feeling of what is going to happen to her, since she cant hear your approach and is minutes can stretch to ages with that sound :)
must be great watching her getting off then.
i guess i went a bit off topic, didnt i?
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-06-16 06:42 [#00742678]
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i repeat... richad james could remix a fart and it would be a masterpiece for all and for me too. has it a sense or not?
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-06-16 06:45 [#00742680]
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i like the melancholy melodies in ktpa 2
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diablo
on 2003-06-16 06:49 [#00742684]
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Really like the remix, so full on, it also reminds me of the jungle stuff Rebel MC did (yep!) with some jamaican dancehall stars a few years ago under the name Jungle Rebel... but mentaller. I like the way it just fucks up at the end into distortion and stuff.
The other 2 certainly made me laugh in places, sounds like my old Amstrad loading up Pro BMX Simulator.
The vinyl looks really cool as well :)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-16 06:52 [#00742687]
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It's odd people comparing the last two tracks to computers loading or modems - I don't think they sound anything like them!
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diablo
on 2003-06-16 06:54 [#00742690]
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It's only my first listen, but thats what it sounded like to me!
*plays side 2 again*
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diablo
on 2003-06-16 07:00 [#00742699]
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OK it sounds like a nest of screamimg baby mammals making coffee in a tractor engine.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2003-06-16 07:02 [#00742701]
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it sounds like balloon noises run thru resonance filters to me
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 07:06 [#00742708]
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As I said in another thread it sounds like elements from old tracks distorted the fuck up.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-06-16 07:12 [#00742714]
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sounds like a tortured Justin Timberlake through a sample mauler to me :\
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-06-16 07:17 [#00742730]
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I think the noisy tracks sound too computer-like for my taste and the first track is a bit boring....so I would rate this record 2 out of 10 (but maybe I'm just not in the mood for it)
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-16 07:26 [#00742753]
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I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not this EP is the first foray of a master into unchartered waters, or simply a pile of shit.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-16 07:36 [#00742769]
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mm. well, I haven't heard the so-called noise-tracks yet, see if I can d/l them later on.
but is very hard to make a good "noise"-piece, just like its hard to make any piece of music.
just because you don't listen to this stuff often enough or even just don't like it, means its less musical than other things, or more random.
randomness may be a part of the creation-process but the artist still has to make a choice what he uses and what not, so there we have composition again.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-16 07:36 [#00742771]
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oops! does NOT mean it's less musical etc.
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diablo
on 2003-06-16 08:14 [#00742835]
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I do kind of like the noise tracks, some of it is sounds i've never heard before, but i can't really take it too seriously.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-06-16 08:31 [#00742862]
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listen to these tracks on headphones and you will defenatly feel some "emotions" or "feelings" of some kind, they may not be "cool" or "dreamy" or "beautiful" "sad"etc... but feelings they certainly are, and if you can make a track with noises that makes other feels something, i think you can call it music (whatever the way or the time used to create it)...
ps : i still like aphex airlines ten times better :p
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2003-06-16 08:39 [#00742873]
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The noise tracks sound too DIGITAL, they are rubbish IMHO, sorry I migth be talking out of my ass, but Merzbow noise sounds alot "warmer" and isnt annoying to listen to....but I admit Im not a noise fan however, I like to listen to SATANSTORNADE when im in an aggressive mood....
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-16 09:22 [#00742937]
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I've yet to listen to the noise tracks proper. The remix sounds phat though and I love it up loud. Some proper BO! bass on that one.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-16 09:23 [#00742940]
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Like the remix.
The other two... ehh.
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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-16 09:26 [#00742945]
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WWHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! This is the best AFX i've bought.......since the last one!!!
Everythings great on this...over a good soundsystem it's absolutely insane...
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-16 13:23 [#00743285]
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i copletely agree, the only weak song is the remix.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2003-06-16 13:25 [#00743300]
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I disagree, the remix is the best track.
And I don't like this remix at all.
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disasemble
from United States on 2003-06-16 13:38 [#00743342]
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um...if you guys want noisey stuff that actually took time to make and are actual soundscapes, check out:
nobukazu takemura - water's suite nobukazu takemura - scope desormais - climate variations
kpta1 and 2 sound like he wanked off with reaktor presets or just fucked about on some random synthesizer. i dont have a problem with this really, but its just so easy to do.
to demonstrate, i uploaded a noise song i did 3 years ago when i was 15, having just used reaktor.
semble - stupid wank noise
but of course, aphex noise tracks are better than this, right?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-16 13:56 [#00743378]
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right :)
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