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i decided to make this topic after horsefactory mentioned elsewhere that 'the track "dismantling 5 years" on higgins ultrafunkzksldskjsd you'll notice that for the first few minutes its essentially nanou2 done on a synth instead of a piano'. it seems that any time you hear a melody from him, that's not supposed to be a sample, he most likely stole it. i haven't heard too much but these are some of the melodies that he's stolen. dad - acroyear2 by autechre we are oceans - tundra by squarepusher dance like you're selling nails - come on my selector by squarepusher now feel free to add your own. i find it even funnier that he's taking his melodies from idm artists instead of obscure sources. pretty pointless topic but it gives more for the people who hate this guy to complain about :D |
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of course he messes with them a bit to make them sound 'unique', but nowhere near enough to cover it up. that's why when you hear them they sound like they're good, but something is a bit off. |
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if thats true... thats sad |
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i dont care really...i'll buy his records as long as they sound good |
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thanks for noticing, glad you agree - its pretty bad huh? im checkin out the other ones now. there was this pop-dance track out some time ago, planet funk - chase the sun it was.. not that it's a good track or anything.. but vsnares COMPLETELY ripped this off with dance like you're selling nails. you can check an mp3 sample of the planet funk track here: http://64.74.112.74/~ukdance/vst1794.mp3 [sorry i dont know how to do links] the melody im talkin about starts at 00:58 heh. listening to it now, its quite unbelievable really |
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it's at 1:41 in the snares track. |
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and yeah, you're right too, the start of dad is kind of like a slower version of acroyear2 with a few note changes.. tundra/we are oceans are similar except snares again has changed a couple notes i am starting to lose a lot of respect for him |
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i don't want to add one, i'd like to erase some, i'm sorry i find this nonsense 'dismantling five years' may look like 'nanou2' but the chords are really different, also notice that 'nanou2' starts with parts of 5 chords that repeat, 'dismantling 5 years' has parts of 4 chords .. it's really not the same i'm sorry but i disagree with all your 3 comparisions too, i won't go into detail but the melodies really aren't the same imo ('come on my selector' is all 4/4 for instance, 'dance like you're selling nails' has a | 4/4 | 4/4 | 4/4 | 2/4 | schedule for its melody) i for one do not buy this |
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yeah, what about the mp3 i posted? |
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oh god is that funny. |
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yeah, exactly what i said, he messes around with them to try to make it sound like he can come up with stuff like that. |
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what if he DID come up with something like that? chripes sine wave sounds A LOT like "a warm place". sine wave being a mogwai song. a warm place being an nin song the guy who made sine wave hasnt even heard a warm place. |
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there is a difference, in all the vastness of melody it's pretty much impossible that snares could write a melody so similar to the planet funk track without hearing [plagiarising] it |
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since 2001 he released over 100 tracks.. listening to all of these may convince you that he can come up with his own melodies and beats (in fact he's more original than artists using 'amen' and other often used breaks imo) or maybe you can tell from every track where he took the melody from.. you could name whatever you like and say 'yeah he changed the melody though' a lot of melodic tracks look a like if you change the melodies :) despite our disagreement no offense ey? i just don't understand what this vsnares bashing is good for all the time |
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dont get me wrong here, i actually really like vsnares it's just that i find it really hard to dismiss these few tracks as being coincidences. still, i love most of his other stuff |
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this isn't why i don't like vsnares. i just took some drugs one time and the music depressed the hell out of me for how empty it was. |
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i like this tidbit mp3 you posted! =) but yes it's completely stolen... rah, they could have sued him!! such a shame. -_- or maybe it was like a hommage to this track, and he got the authorization, dunno... nothing's mentioned on the liner notes anyway!! (someone post this on the planet mu board to see what happens, if vsnares sees it and ignores it...?) |
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i'd blame the drugs instead of the music |
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it could be a pisstake i guess, the two were released at the same sort of time |
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they were really good drugs. |
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OMG OMG OMG OMGOGM OGMOGM OMG OMGOM OMGOMG OGMOGM GOM OMG YOU CAUGHT HIM RED-HANDED OH M GO MOGMG |
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yeah, and since his name is 'aaron funk', using a 'planet funk' sample must be done on purpose optimus: oh ok, then you can go on bashing vsnares |
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i was as bored to make this thread as you were as bored to make that post. |
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Your comeback: 3/10 Sorry. |
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i knew this topic would have this effect i said what i wanted to say on this topic, i won't reply here anymore since it'll only start more personal flaming |
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it's not | 4/4 | 4/4 | 4/4 | 2/4 | it's just 7/4 and the dance like your selling nails/come on my selector is ubsurd |
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its basically the same though, they both go for 14 beats before repeating |
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we are oceans has more notes to it than tundra, and the only similarity between dad and acroyear2 is the instruments themselves |
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The opening beat is a tad bit similar to it... but he totally stole it. He even stole the lyrics from Autechre. |
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you must have the japanese version! |
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"what if he DID come up with something like that? chripes sine wave sounds A LOT like "a warm place". sine wave being a mogwai song. a warm place being an nin song the guy who made sine wave hasnt even heard a warm place." And "a warm place" is actually "Crystal Japan" by David Bowie. Reznor found out after the RykoDisk version on Bowies "Scary Monsters" came out and had the rare "Crystal Japan" single on it. I don't think Trent did it intentionally nor do I think Aaron Funk takes melodies intentionally either. There are only so many notes/chord progressions, simularites are bound to happen. my .02¢ |
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i KNEW i recognized michal jackson in "we hate russell". thx for pointing out. |
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"He even stole the lyrics from Autechre." LOL! |
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congratulations! you've all come to the realization that there is no such thing as originality! sure, it's clever to trace a melody to a similar melody from 5-10 years ago... but i would think you were cooler if you could reference all the chord progressions that thieving Snares fellow jacks from the classical composers of the last 500 years... while your at it, i'll give you a gold star for tracing THOSE melodies to their roots as sheet music hieroglyphics, documenting the musical stylings of primitive tribes 1000s of years ago... |
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calm down DeadEight... -_- |
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it's that streak of pride... that thread deep inside of me that is proud of the Funks and Heckers and Buck 65s that make legitimately cool and remotely original music... yay canada (but no capitalization) |
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"congratulations! you've all come to the realization that there is no such thing as originality! sure, it's clever to trace a melody to a similar melody from 5-10 years ago... but i would think you were cooler if you could reference all the chord progressions that thieving Snares fellow jacks from the classical composers of the last 500 years... while your at it, i'll give you a gold star for tracing THOSE melodies to their roots as sheet music hieroglyphics, documenting the musical stylings of primitive tribes 1000s of years ago... " Actually Jan Wernner wrote that same exact post in a 1978 issue of Rolling Stone, so that post is un-original. ;) |
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IT'S TRUE! WHAT TO DO WITH MY SPENT PIECE OF REHASHED MATTER! i can't even speak with out up lifting sediments of old... post-modern man struggles with the very roots of his existence... |
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DeadEight has just won this thread. |
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jesus, i didnt realise this was gonna upset so many people.. theres no need to get so edgy about it guys, relax yeh |
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I'm with you, the original post was a bit silly really..... |
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Cheer up horsefactory, most of your posts are just dissin' people. |
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I don't think anybody is really upset, I think everyone is just horseing around. |
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no pun intended. :) |
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nahh - most of the post you saw where you thought i was dissing people were probably from the chris morris thread |
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Chris Morris? Mean the guy who was in my woodshop class in highschool and always smelled of sour milk? I didn't know you knew him! |
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i think micheal jackson is actually in unborn baby |
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nah chris morris the satirist / comedian / genius. yeh it is - beat it |
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i don't think dad sounds at all like acroyear... .. i mean come on... dad has singing and is the same time signature....acroyear has 5 different time signatures layered over one another.. |
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"we are a bit of what we hear" Rab Rudshtein i think that, as a musicmaker, there is always a bit of what we already heard somewhere in all the music we do. vsnares is an extremely productive guy, so complete the equation by yourself. |
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