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I really enjoyed the Matrix. I thought it was an intelligent film that raised lots of important questions. I went to see the matrix reloaded last night with a certain amount of trepidation. Surely the story had ended. There was no more story to tell. Any way I thought i might be pleasantly surprised. But what i witnessed was an abortion of a movie which has tainted any admiration i had for the first film. What a fucking piece of money making marketing shite that film was. I have read people's previous posts claiming it had some deep meaning and pontificating about what certain aspects mean. IT WAS FUCKING SHITE. They've turned an intelligent storyline which encompasses religion, fate, detiny etc into some piece of Star Trek wank. I can't put into words how much i hated that film. Special effects? So fucking what? It's just one big fucking money making whoring piece of trash. Avoid it at all costs. It made me feel sick to my stomach that i contributed money to that piece of crap. AVOID AT ALL COSTS. |
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totally agree!!!!!! at least I didnt pay as I went with an invitation of yahoo.com |
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Agreed. There is just too much of everyting when it comes to special effects, and nothing when it comes to acting and story. |
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i love that crazy maddox pirate, flux capacitor, hahaha..total "back to the future" cash in |
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ha ha "Replacing Keanu Reeves with a wooden plank with a mean face on it." great pic. |
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i think its soooo fucking bad, its possibly a satire on big, vacuous, overhyped, epic hollywood films.... and despite me being bearly able to take any of its nonsence in, that Architect character practically tells us how false it all is.. somehwere in the gibberish he spits out. It could be fucking genious (but i doubt it) |
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LOL!! Ewan McGregor was the Wachowskis first hand choice but they would never admit it today. I hope in future DVD releases Keanu gets digitaly replaced by that wooden plank. |
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Aren't the Wachowski brothers conjoined twin hermaphrodites or something? |
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Gee, I guess i'm in the minority that enjoyed the film. Sucks to be me then. |
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i think it was entertaining. not a waste of 6 euros. |
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I left the cinema and went up to the ticket office and demanded my money back. When the bitch refused with some excuse like "It's not my fault. I only work here" i got so mad I spat a big phlegmy grogger at the screen divider, kicked over a bin and left. I sure some of it got through the grid and hit her on the face. Bitch. She deserves all she got. "Oh, you'll like the film. it's great." LIAR!!! Cost me £5.50 for that shit. |
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i DID have a heavy meal before the movie, that might have made it more enjoyable |
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i wasn't that bad.... haha no it's not a satire... but i love maddox ps. do you realize you could call anything a satire and justify.... which is why you can't call things a satire.... for example... you could say "this hate speech by gerbeels hilter or whoever would really work better if read as a satire" but that doesn't work because it's a racist hateful horrible speech... similar the matrix reloaded is a pile of shit not a satire of a pile of shit.... man how did they fuck up such a good moive... |
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i mean really.... i'm sure a couple of us could have got together and wrote a better script in an all nite beer session and the dialog!!!omfg |
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an example of the satire i mean> - didn't the Architect have the fuckig Matrix 1 playing on DVD behind him? reminded me of "Spaceballs" - Neos speech with the councelor chap on their little stroll through midnight Zion was all, like "Whats your point?" "i dunno. Is there a point?" A false movie about a false world. The wool is being pulled over our eyes alright, Agent Smith(s) Fucking hell! |
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some valid points i suppose but do you really think that the directors were like "lets spend 200 million on movie thats purposely shitty but it's really a satire on shitty moives" like a press release "If you actually liked the movie you were dumb because we meant it to be a piece" no |
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I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a very worthy sequel to the first film, and I'm really looking forward to the final film in the Autumn. |
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Cfern. In truth...... no i don't. I'm giving em way to much fucking credit really. But what an idea - generate incredible hype (and dollars) over nothing and then end it all with the final film launching a crashing blow on the viewers. "There was no story. We sucked you right in. Try paying attention next time, you fucking herds" |
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I read up about how it's all just leeching for money over the succes of the first film, but that's where you're wrong, because it was meant to be a trilogy from the start. And of course it could never be anything like the first movie, because that movie was about the discovery of the matrix, and showing it's capabilities. In the second, logically, it goes more into what's behind the curtains. Also, it could never have the same impact as the first because it was never a surprise it was coming. Alot of slagging for Keanu too. Blehlblelblebleh. They all bleat on about how he can't act; well here's the apparent big surprise:he's not required to act for this part, as the character of Neo is meant to be rigid and focused and have composure, never at all about showing emotion or talking his ass off. That's why without keanu the movie wouldn't have been as big a hit because there's just nobody else who possesses this natural kind of coolness that is required for the part. Funny how this movie gets so much heated criticism, as alot already thought the first was cheap and stolen and wannabee intelligent. But still they went to the second installment of it. If i wouldn't have liked the first one I'd make damn sure I'd avoid the second one, and not waste my time on spouting my bile over it, just copying what the sheeple say about it. |
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Maybe it didn't live up to most peoples expectations, maybe even including myself. But I really liked this movie. I disagree with most of maddox's points (and yes, there were some ways to make it better). But I really loved those fight scenes, and I like Keanu. I guess this isn't one of those films that appeals to the masses, as the original was, but I'm looking forward to the third installment. |
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I hated those fight scenes. Just watch... "Legend of Sun fa Yu" Any Kurasawa Samrai film The Bourne identity Bridget Jones Diary (!!) Lone Wolf and Cub They live now..... they have fight scenes. Whats the point of watching 15 minutes of 1-2 fighting between entities that can "do anything"? Surely the lack of falability makes it fucking pointless? Its farting in the wind |
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Here here, but has anyone consider that the matrix was very similar to"Dark city"? Almost too similar?!? So please don't say reloaded isn't a good film because it didn't live up to the orginality that the first film brought. Personally this was a good film, that still poses some very interesting arguements over a lot of different contexts |
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I hope the third Matrix follows up on a number of themes that I felt were rather ambiguous. I've most of those other movies, and apart from Kurasawa, I wasn't impressed. I'm more of a fan of Jackie Chan movies. But I can see what you mean about the lack of falability. Maybe that's why they kept going on about that "only human" stuff. But I just enjoyed it for what it was. |
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Did you stay to the watch the trailer for the third film at the end of the credits? |
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dark city is very good |
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I can see all kinds of faults with this movie, but I still enjoyed it. In fact, I somehow managed to enjoy it more than I should have, logically. Hmm, maybe it's because I had a whole different angle on it from most people. |
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did you sit way off to the side or something? |
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Ha, wit. |
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what sort of faults? |
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I waited for the 3rd trailer, then I downloaded one from kazaa. Once again it looks like they're going to spend too much time out of the Matrix, in the future. But I'm definitely lokking foward to it. |
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I'm concerned about them not being in the matrix enough too, but the smith fight looks even nicer in this one |
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I read a preview that said that Neo is going to realise all of his abilities in the third. Don't know how true that was, but that's something I did felt lacked from 2, where we don't get to be with Neo as he progresses in his abilities. |
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I tried so hard to like it, but I just can't. I don't care if it isn't meant to live up to the first one, is supposed to take you behind the scenes, it has "deep" themes, or great action sequences, it still pretty much fucking blew! I got it all, and though it was an interesting twist, I was still very disappointed, and felt relieved when it was finally over. Too bad, it could have been so much more... |
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And the fight scenes all just drug on and went no where. Like someone said, they all climaxed the same way, with Neo running away... that's alright I guess, but after a 20 minute fight scene, I want a fucking climax. I felt like sleeping. |
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That wasn't very nice to spit at the girl and kick over the trashcan. It really wasn't her fault that it was so bad.. You should have done something a little more constructive like write an angry letter to the people that made the movie. |
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it didn't have anything like the first movie where the plot switches up on you all at once. people that were expecting and waiting for that will be disapointed. but, i think they did a good job of providing a great deal of information and background that keeps you thinking and, asking questions until the next one is released, which hopefully will answer some of those questions. of course you can understand what was said in reloaded, but, it had implications that were pretty far reaching... as far as that particular story goes. it seems like some people were wanting the exact same experience as the first, they were disapointed. and, some seemed to be expecting someting that would be some revolutionary philosophicaly enlightening experience, mixed with the best special effects to ever hit the silver screen, oscar winning performances by all, mind blowing action sequences paralleled by none, and absolutely no dead moments... they were dissapointed as well. what it was is a pretty good movie that borrows themes from many, many different genres of movies, stories, and religions, and combines them in a creative way to create a moderately accesible movie. |
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well i just expected a half-decent film with good action and a "interesting" story... it failed on the latter and the action was boring after a while |
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i have to say that i enjoyed the movie despite it's faults.... after the 1st half hour.... |
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Cfern: agreed, the start, apart from the awesome dreamsequence, was a rather dull talk'o'rama boring us with councils and generals and the like, more or less similar to star wars:the phantom menace where we got bored with politics. flipered: I know dark city was there before the matrix, but still the two are just different enough to both be remarkable. In Dark city, they are physically present on a slab of earth with a city on it floating in space, whereas in the matrix it's a virtual world. Similarities would be the awakening of "the one", and normally unseen manipulative forces. I guess you can go on and on about originality and in the end find out that there's really only a small amount of truly original things and they probably date back a long long time. The rest is just "variations on". danbrusca: I totally feel the same as you on this movie. I guess i had a different angle of viewing the movie, and I don't mean having watch it awkwardly seated. |
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just got back from it. i agree with bill. avoid. |
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That movie was too slow. I thought the second half was okay after I first saw it, but this has quickly faded from my memory and I think overall, it sucked. |
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Big difference between Dark City and The Matrix - Dark City was fucking crap. Anyway, to elaborate on my different angle. As many people know, Larry has left his wife for a Dominatrix by the name of Ilsa Strix (she used to advertise on my website) and publically declared himself to be her slave. Given that, I was interested in seeing how Larry's kinkiness may have influenced the film. It wasn't a pervasive influence, but it's there and most of it is bundled up with Trinity's catsuit. She's got the fetish look, and she arguably does more ass-kicking than anyone. There's other strong female characters, such as Zee and Niobe, the council is headed by a Priestess, the Oracle has a servant (Seraph, an Angel no less) to protect her. The Merovingian's goons address Persephone as 'Mistress' and the Merovingian himself seems to be under her spell, more than he perhaps cares to admit. We also learn from the Architect of a possible 'mother' of the Matrix, the inference being that her 'fix' was effectively keeping humans under it's control. |
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Danbrusca: interesting angle, however I obviously cannot share that angle of viewing it. I have to disagree with your opinion of Dark City though, I think it's bloody marvellous. keyfumbler: Whats the point of watching 15 minutes of 1-2 fighting between entities that can "do anything"? Surely the lack of falability makes it fucking pointless? Its farting in the wind which is one of it's flaws, better yet when Neo becomes one with, or sees through that which is the matrix, any fighting becomes totally unneccesary because he should then be able to totally manipulate anything inside the matrix. A good strategy was to include a new form of coding the matrix as they encountered in reloaded to negate his all encompassing abilities inside the matrix. Very interesting yet hardly talked about is how Neo at the end of reloaded is able to destroy the seekers in the real world, more or less confirming he is still the one. |
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Oh, there's also the little issue that Neo condemns humanity to save his favourite fetish queen ;) |
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well i liked it. the only fight scene i thought was kinda lame was against sereph but i think the freeway chase scene more than made up for that. i didn't think the acting was so bad. keanu played the part he was supposed to: a pawn. a "not to bright" piece who only goes where he is told. I'm not sure how he could have acted it any other way and remained true to the character neo Lawarence Fishburn was also good. It becomes more apparent in this film that Morpheus is a little excentric/mello dramatic. the other characters showing lack of faith in him is indicative of this. For a movie that starts in the middle of a story, and ends in the middle of a story it was quite good. rarely is a film able to do this and be sucessful. the only other ones i can think of are Two Towers and Empire Strikes back. Other than that, studios avoid stories like this because it is difficult to deliver the climax that mainstream audiences are so accustomed to. i liked it. i liked it even more the second time. and i plan on watching it at least one more time before i purchase it on DVD. I ain't saying it was no Apocalypse Now, but it was easily (in my opinion of course) a 4 of 5 stars kind of movie. you also have to admit, that when a movie prompts this kind of rage and contraversy, it was at the very least, uniquely provocative. |
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i agree with everything you said. especially that being the middle of the story, it's hard to deliver a satisfying climax. is there anyone on this board who saw it a second time and didn't like it more? just currious, because from everyone i know who's seen it more than once, they liked it better the second time. |
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i saw it for the second time last night liked it alot better... i mean i loved it the first time too... but this time I really appriciated how well done it is, and how great the story really is. I dont see how anyone can knock the story... its so great! *spoilers* I mean, we learn that neo is an anomyly made by the computors, and the oracle is a matrix made programme.... all just a system of control. The seen with the architect is fucking great. hes just like *bam* heres the hard ugly truth. And the end with the sentinels... well, im pretty confident that the real world is just another level of the matrix... all designed to control man. but yeah i like |
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the problem with the build up before films is that peoples expectations become too high. example "star wars 1" so this time i tried my hardest to ignore the adverts, reviews and opinions and went to see it not expecting anything just like the first one, and 138 mins later i came out of the cinema a happy customer. |
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same here I saw 1 commerical for it, and thats IT. |
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