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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 09:49 [#00724139]
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isn't that viewpoint a tad offensive to many composers of electronic music?
I believe it immoral to sell music to advertising. real music is an expression of soul - so when you're busy pimping your music to some soulless fuck who just wants it because it adds coolness to his advertising campaign, you are also pimping your soul - now this does not apply to people who make music by numbers - as we see in countless adverts and in the charts &tc - but I never counted richard d james as being one of those 'by-numbers' types; I always thought his music possessed depth of character and soul.
Another reason I have against it is because by pimping your music to these advertisers, you're entering their world - that world which is corrupt, exploitative and oppressive - the world which wants people in pigeon-holes, wants to manipulate people's thoughts and desires - advertisement is a form of brainwashing - that's not extreme leftist talk - that's a psychological fact - they are there to manipulate people's thoughts, their desires, their self-esteem - they are malignant designs which are part of the system of oppression. Now, you may not care about this, so you may discount this - but I DO care about this, so I count it very strongly in my opposition to selling your music for a few dollars.
that's all for now - I doubt you'll be swayed, but now you know two reasons why I hate it when musicians I respected decide to trade their music for the teets of mammon.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 09:50 [#00724143]
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the danger of giving dictionary definitions for things like this is their vagueness - see if you can discover what Existentialism is all about by reading the dictionary definition.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-06-02 09:54 [#00724148]
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prosperity = evil
especially with corporations and gov't. i've definately fell victim to that mentality myself. when somebody is the little guy everybody loves 'em... when they grow, hit it big, and/or start making the big bucks, they become evil.
when you find the little band that nobody's heard of you feel like a pioneer, they're your favorite band, then when more and more people stumble onto them, and they get popular people start to resent them for it. 1st video on MTV and 90% of their original fan base is alienated. reguardless of whether thier musical quality has been altered at all... to your ears it has been tainted by the populace.
root for the underdog, snipe the big cheese.
*disclaimer* 'you', as used above, is meant to be taken as the indefinate 'we' our 'one'.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-06-02 09:56 [#00724151]
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our = or
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 09:57 [#00724153]
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fortunately, I was never a sucker for hating a group just because they became popular - something which elusive appeared to blame me of earlier.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-06-02 10:02 [#00724158]
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no blame here. i was just making an overgeneralized statement about people as a whole. :)
i didn't even see your responses til' after i posted. you seem like a level headed guy to me.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-02 10:02 [#00724159]
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'advertisement is brainwashing' > I agree.
I also agree that music can be an expression of ones soul.
I just find it hard to believe that Richard sat down at his computer one day and said "I'm gonna pour my heart and soul into the most beautiful piece of music right now, and I'll name it 'Windowlicker' (meaning retard)".
Was Richard expressing his soul in the video when he was mimicking ejaculation with a chapagne bottle? Or was it toward the begining when he was rubbing the umbrella on his genitals? What I'm trying to say is that if you take this video and used it as an extention of the song, then again, you see shock, humor and disposability..
I digress.. I see where you are coming from. But if it were me, if I were to see 1.5k being waved in front of my face, I might think of compromising some of my values.
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-06-02 10:03 [#00724162]
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Here.
Meh, it's not a fantastic advert. The recent Honda one featuring car parts setting others in motion in a domino-style chain reaction was far better, even if it did rip off Der Lauf Der Dinge.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 10:06 [#00724166]
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I guess that is where we differ - I would never compromise my values for money - ever.
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2003-06-02 10:07 [#00724170]
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You're on the dole, aren't you? Surely you must have a price, man!
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-02 10:12 [#00724175]
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This is why I have little to no values. Being American, I'm forced to compromis my values everyminute of my life so I can live.. I found it best to discard these values... they slow you down and it's impossible to make large amounts of money.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 10:37 [#00724196]
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well I'm not money-oriented - I have no desire to acquire monetary riches. I'm prepared and quite willing to be poor the rest of my life.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-02 10:42 [#00724203]
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I'll say.. look at that haircut!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 10:43 [#00724206]
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:P my hair is really bad to manage because I have about 4 crowns - I rarely let it grow much because it looks so horrible (see picture). Normally I just have it shaved short. And now you know something more about me, praise allah! :D
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jamesa
from United Kingdom on 2003-06-02 10:46 [#00724209]
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marlowe - you are either full of shit or completely mad
100k is 100k
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 10:50 [#00724212]
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if having principles and not selling out for money is full of shit or madness, then I guess that's me. It's a shame that a person gets called that these days. It's like being called a weirdo for smiling at a stranger in the street and saying 'hi'.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2003-06-02 10:54 [#00724218]
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Richard needs MONEY ! We all need money ! One of Ekkehard Ehlers track is currently used in an ADD by a CAKE Company.....well damn, that was unespected....
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-02 10:58 [#00724223]
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yes but we don't NEED 100K. millionaires don't NEED a million dollars/pounds. In fact, we don't NEED money at all. there are humans who live without money, so it is not a NEED. money is a WANT
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2003-06-02 11:01 [#00724226]
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So, than how he is gonna pay for his rent, food, pension etc ? I dont think will be making money from Djing when he is 55....
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-06-02 20:00 [#00724729]
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damnthese threads grow too fast i dont have time to read em all
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-03 04:45 [#00725079]
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he's a millionaire - I don't think he has to worry about where his next meal is going to come from. And I don't think he has to pay rent either...
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KEYFUMBLER
from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2003-06-03 05:00 [#00725102]
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anyone else thibnk that the track doesn´t suit the advert at all? That track is a sunshine, daytime, blueskies song.. as in the video and the MTV advert that used it when it was released.... not the stark monotone images of cars and graphics... doesn´t work in my opinion.
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2003-06-03 09:02 [#00725433]
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Totally agree Keyfumbler - as I said waaaayy up there :)
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2003-06-03 09:11 [#00725441]
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yeah a nice dark drukqs track would have worked a little better methinks
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-03 10:58 [#00725551]
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well does rdj stand for anything other than his music?
i dont think so... no more than Richard D James anyway..
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2003-06-03 11:04 [#00725559]
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Is RDJ really a milionair Joyrex.......I dont believe this......
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-03 11:19 [#00725577]
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FOUR crowns???
wow.... you're like a guinea pig! ;)
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-06-03 11:28 [#00725583]
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jonesy,
Get a life you jealous loser. Hey everyone, jonesy is going to die a sad old bitter loser. Lol.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-06-03 11:36 [#00725588]
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Marlowe likes to use the phrase 'pimping your soul' because that way he can justify be a loser. Boring old argument. Lol.
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-03 11:39 [#00725589]
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hey promo: Lol.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-06-03 11:42 [#00725591]
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The music doesn't work with the advert at all. Totally inappropriate music. The whole thing is a complete mess. Jeeze what a sham, still 150k in the bank is cool though.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-04 04:06 [#00726339]
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another amazing argument from promo - such depth and understanding of life
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-06-04 04:11 [#00726344]
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is richie rich? or is has warp all richie rich´s money?
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-04 04:12 [#00726347]
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take a guess he lives in A BANK! ;)
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2003-06-04 04:28 [#00726363]
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yeah I know, but maybe the bank was not so expensive.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2003-06-04 04:29 [#00726364]
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i dont think(lol) that windowlicker will help mercedes selling more benz.
i hate mercedes, they are with a lot of weapon-making and that sucks.
but i dont blame anyone for taking their money. everybody has to make up his mind about whats right and whats wrong;
if there is a need for status. people know about commercials, its their own fault if they watch em and get influenced.
im against commerce as well but then again i would take the money.
you can do lots of good things with it. think about that...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-06-04 05:04 [#00726379]
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money isn't infinite - the money he got paid meant that an equal amount was taken from somewhere else. The question is: where? From some person struggling to make car-payments perhaps? or maybe from some rich person who paid for his car in cash? in which case, how did that person get that money? You see, it's not so simple as just 'BMW give the money to RDJ'; it goes back a lot further. Meditate upon that. when wise men say 'money is the root of all evil', there's something in it.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-06-04 05:18 [#00726398]
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Yeah, that money was made by workers in Mercedes factories. you think they live the lavish lifestyle that RDJ lives? Me no think so.
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