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You guys are making it sound like a bunch of old cock. I thought it was a cracking martial arts spectacle. Nothing more, nothing less. What is the matrix? £4.50 or £3.00 with concessions. |
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then get an education |
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after reading more boards on theories about the matrix plot, it asks more questions than it answers, fucking awsome if you ask me or we could be reading into it too much? either way i dont think i've been so engrossed by a film plot since akira or bladerunner |
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true, and even if people hate it, rarely has an action film prompted such an abundance of philosophical debates aside from the first Matrix and Bladerunner. Of course there are a few more (terminator series comes to mind) but action/eyecandy films that present these kinds of issues exceedingly rare. |
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it was more, you should watch it again. just like The Big Lebowski, it is a movie that is entertaining on many levels. |
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reading evolume,s theory made me think a lot... but now I am lost |
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jesus.. if this is what is needed to spark philosophical debate we are DOOMED!! |
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fucking shit film/ i want zion to get blown up,! so that i dont have to look at morpheuses ugly face stupid corny story.. he is 'the one' . yeah great. even the fight sequences got well boring. trinity is too manly. monica beluuci makes the whole film zion people cant dance to save their ugly lives. they all shud burn in their little zion hell. |
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i think you could also read it as having to do with humans. here's my walter benjamin/postmodern inspired reading: 1. the matrix determines how we see/experience things .. and so, I think it could be read as a metaphor to unconscious/societal forces that determine the way we see things. [eg. post-structuralism/post-modernism] ie. we are always already in a matrix (as was hinted towards the end, with Neo stopping those things or whatever). 2a. morpheus' speech in the cave (evoking images of early christians) ... especially concerning the retroactive statement: ie. that the answer lies in the past not the future, suggests, that to counter the matrix is through the past and not by replacing it with another 2b. ...whilst at the same time (though not contrary to this point) evoking a messianic picture of the future ... ie. us humans can not realise this ... only the "one" can. its not about proving that there is a messiah, or realising the messianism/reality that will deliver us -> it is about the hope that we can. 3. ... thus at the same time, this belief acknowledges the limitations - the fallen nature of human kind - and thus there is the temptation to ignore this (eg. the kiss scene?). hence the antagonism between morpheus, and the general ... who in a sense was just fighting for an-other matrix. (assuming the role of the "one" ... ie. illegitimately). 4. this point is perhaps also highlighted by that speech between neo, and that old guy on the bridge, about the reciprocal nature between man and machine ... (subject/society ??) ... so whilst the matrix seems quite obviously concerned with robots and ai. it could also function as a (loose) metaphor of the classic proletariat/bourgeois distinction, where the human race this time is the proletariat (however ... it would differ from the marxist notion of revolution/liberation, b/c only the "one" can cause the revolution, ie. a man made revolution, just spawns another proletariat/bourgeoi |
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s dichotomy. doesn't add up in a few places, but its quite a nice way of looking at it methinks. (arguably, due to the whole anomaly spiel - one can not have a "proper" understanding of it .. ie. there will always be an anomaly in an interpretation ...) .. bla bla .. might get some shut eye now. |
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though at the same time, i just thought there is quite a cool more biologically based thought .. ie. the whole symbiotic relationship between man and machine ... man and resource (ecosystem/environment). matrix is like a virus ... all about maintaining homeostasis ... something like that .. ie can't eliminate resources, as we are dependent on them .. just as it is self defeating for the resources to devoure us?? though the virus thing might be a bit ofa red herring in this sketch ... |
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my analysis: 1. matrix is a shit film of eye candy, anyone looking for answers to the universe in it or making it out to be something that it is not (i.e. a great philosophical mindfuck) is stupid. |
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grinningcat: take that shit elsewhere. yes it was cheesy/corny - but that was to be expected. don't think anyone is debating that. not looking for any answers ... at least not any conclusive ones. nothing wrong with a bit of philosophical banter. and no, we don't need the matrix to carry out philosophical discussions, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't or can't! |
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I loved the movie, I must say. I don't really care about the 7000000 critics who wouldn't have liked it no matter what the movie did. Assholes. But I do agree that it had a pure SHIT soundtrack. Horrible. |
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I thought it was pretty crappy. I will probably buy the dvd to see if I enjoy it in my favourite medium, but I don't think it's a classic by any stretch (but then, name 5 sequels that are, not including the Godfather). Awful opening, repetitive action sequences, terrible dialogue/acting... need I go on? Or am I an asshole for thinking it was a badly edited mess? Toss. |
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too much artificial sweetener, too much artificial colour. spank |
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why does everyone get so up in arms about this movie? We didnt have huge bashing threads for movies like Something Monk (that one with chao yung fat) THAT looked like a shit movie. Why dont people go on about that? I think some people are just so anti mainstream, that they decided they hate the matrix because it got so popular. The matrix isnt a miracle movie, but its good. Decent at LEAST. So why all this hardcore hating? |
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Well I can only speak for myself, but I thought the first one was great and the second one was poor. That's why I bashed it, cause at the moment it seems like an unfortunate and ill-advised follow up. |
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I meant to add it may change with the release of the third movie, but I doubt it. |
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yes, I didnt mean to sound so broad with my remark. Sure, people may just not like it... but I DO kind of feel this vibe that people hate the matrix cause its so mainstream now. So, I wasnt refering to everyone. And yes, I personally beleive the 3rd one will make it all click. |
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it is the expected backlash to a HUGE hyping media-campaign. |
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i agree totally. |
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hat is true. Although I havnt seen much of a media campaign. But I was out of the country for 2 weeks while it came out... and I dont watch TV hardly anymore... so I really havnt seen much. So i guess im just sheltered |
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well, I can only speak for the Dutch media ofcourse, but over here its EVERYWHERE. |
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:-\ thats too bad man... thats what kinda ruined the new starwars for me (aside from they dont compare to the originals)... the fact that I was saturated with it. I mean, I somewhat enjoy them... but at the time it was like, this is too much. gary oldman is cool. |
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the matrix is not needed for philosophical discussions. It is just fun to try and figure out what is going on in the film. It's a puzzle that is fun to try and solve. The Wachowski brothers (the directors) are extremely well read and therefore have made many references to their philosophical readings in the movies. So it follows that making philisophical parallels is the best way to try and solve this puzzle. Also, keep in mind that this movie is really just the first half of one large sequal. If it felt incomplete, that's because it is. Fortunately, Warner Brothers is not making us wait another 2 years to see the conclusion. of course, I assume that all of you who say how much you hated this movie won't be going to see the 3rd right? we shall see... |
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I loved matrix:reloaded, even though there were some things that bothered me. First of all, they used slo-mo on the other characters and that kinda lessened the impact of Neo's bullet-time which we saw just too little of. The slow-mo looks cool, but a bit too closely looking like as if trinity and morpheus now had bullet-time as well. I dreaded when I saw Paul Oakenfold in the listing and that was confirmed by the ultra-lame rave scene and the ending sucked big time, especially when it showed "to be concluded" /:S But since reloaded and revolutions are meant to be in fact one big movie, and not two seperate parts it's a forgivable feat. Other than that I came home very satisfied and ready for more. |
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bullet time isnt a neo only thing remember the opening sequence of matrix one? and the fight scene in the oriental styled fight room, also in matrix one |
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just got back from seeing it. i thought it was good. |
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yeh, bullet time is just the name of the special effect. the 3d slo-mo quick pan stuff. |
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hhmm, yeah I forgot about that, it does have lots of slo-mo but still neo and the agents were the only bulletdodgers. I guess I expected more where that came from in reloaded. Still I'm far from disappointed, that 98 agent smith scene was pretty lush. Evolume, ok yeah I called it bullet-time because of max payne, didn't know the proper word for it :P. |
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Evolume, I agree. Note the Malcolm X reference "by all means necessary" |
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early malcom x right? |
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I think the opening scene was supposed to be edited messy as it was a dream neo had. But I agree that it kinda had me going like "wtf" too in the beginning. I liked what I seeing but couldn't make 2 and 2 connect . But later it all made sense.I loved that part when she lands in that cool stance as her bike rips that building to shreds. Then I had a deja-vu to star wars:the phantom menace,the long and boring hassle and tassle with the council 'n stuff. |
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if you look closely, you can see it's actually agent smith that crashes onto the car in the opening scene. maybe somebody already posted this?... |
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heh max payne kicks so much frikin arse! i love that game. |
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actually, i think part of the reason that there is not too much ('course how much is too much right?) saturation of matrix propaganda on tv and the like in the States is due to the MPAA rules. Rated R movies cannot even be marketed in places where underage kids will be exposed to it. i.e. television before 9:00 p.m. ; during saturday morning cartoons; on the backs of cereal boxes; leaflets in Sesame Street Magazine; uh.. high school football games..? |
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concerning the topic about marketing rated R movies to minors in the States, if anyone is interested... |
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I know, they need to come out with max payne 2 please! :) I loved the whole dreary comicbook detective atmosphere in it. |
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the movie sucks like hell, just came back. zion was horrible, not like i imagined it. the movie was more star trek or star wars style (just look at the captains outfits). morpheus speakin to the crowd was almost gandalf style. the party in zion was so crap that i wanted to leave the cinema. neo fuckin trinity ? what the fuck was that.... in the first part there where no parts, where human where computer-animated. all slow motions where made with wires etc. now the effects were all made on the pc. neo figthing a hundred smith's, flying like superman etc. etc. etc. that isn't very professional... no oscar for special effects that's for sure. and the buggering "to be continued" ... christ what did they think of ? (and something nice for the end: have you realised that nobody, NOBODY lost his eyglasses during fight ? wicked :) |
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i realised that my english instead of getting better through xltronic is getting worse... |
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matrix the game isnt very good imo you shouldnt buy it maybe download it but not waste any money on it |
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you got it alredy for pc ?? |
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oui and for free :) |
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also rise of nations for free :) |
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:) |
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I liked the first one, I enjoyed the theories about our existence and all that.. but I have no real intention of watching Reloaded, all those effects may be expensive, but they're being used so fucking cheaply it just makes me want to throw up.. it seems as if that might be all the movie has to offer. 'That's a nice trick' ..You're goddamn right, Trinity. That's all it is. |
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it was alright. not as good as it could have been. |
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they're going to show it in imax here sometime soon, i might get fucked up and see it i've heard it's total shit other wise |
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I just saw it and really enjoyed it. I always thought no1 was always better when they were inside the Matrix, so it was a bit disappointing seeing so much stuff in the future/the real world in Reloaded. I also thought that the effects weren't up to scratch, but as I said, I still enjoyed it. |
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