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why does it have to be revolutionary? Maybe it did borrow ideas from other sources, and it did because they directors have said so... but it still blends on their ideas into a very very good movie, and soon trilogy... I love them personally, I think the first was great, the second was better, and I can't wait for the third one... and I really can't wait to get them all on dvd, and watch them together... |
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The Matrix (part 1) left a lot to the imagination. the city of Zion was estranged - it was a symbol of purity; the place of survival and freedom of humanity. Reloaded shows it as some sleazy underground hole straight out of Star Wars: Episode II. the love between Neo and Trinity is more mystical WITHOUT that tiresome sex scene which someone on this msg board said before "was 95% longer than it should be." i liked how there were programs within programs that live in the Matrix...Smith is a very good part of Reloaded but the fight scenes just got boring after awhile!! and that whole thing with the Architect totally takes everything magical about the first one and flushes it down the toilet! The One is just "part of the Matrix program" well, fuck me! i feel like Cypher. if its choice between this and Matrix, I choose the Matrix. plug me back in. |
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reloaded was |
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the sound made the movie |
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don't make the mistake many are making in forgetting that this sequel is part of a trilogy of movies, so it functions as a middle part, and in doing that its actually very good. when neo fights the hundred agent smiths, he realizes hes actually somewhat powerless despite being "the one", and hes scared. i think this will have major ramifications in the third one. plus trinity is probably a program designed by the matrix. and theres also probably another matrix outside of the matrix. so its just building up for something much bigger than a mere action film. wait for the third before dismissing this one as meaningless. |
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also the architect is obviously a machine in how he speaks and acts. and neo isn't "the one" as many have been saying. i have a theory that theres actually going to be a real "one" and neo is simply the predecessor of him. |
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maybe Revolutions will blow our minds in that way. but it will be disgracing the original to monumental proportions!!! (imho) |
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Ok so YES, this was a VERY cool movie...but I only have one real complaint..... RELOADED has the longest set of credits I HAVE EVER SAT THRU!!!! Holy christ!!! |
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i never sat through the credits.. i always leave when they start |
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i saw it last friday. i luved it. i only thought the part where he brought trinity back to life was very retarded. everything else was awesome. |
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after the credits did the preview for the 3rd movie come on, cause it did for me |
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no bull-shit ask anyone in my avitar if the preview for the 3rd came on after the credits |
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YES about 45 seconds of a MATRIX 3 teaser |
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fuck me! i wish i would have known that. |
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in the theater we were in, a manager actually came in B4 it started and announced it to everyone.=) how courteous of that man |
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it rocked my brain. |
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I haven't seen it yet. Going to sometime this week hopefully. I'm really looking forward to seeing Terminator 3 a lot more though. |
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matrix 1 was boring and reloaded is now officially worst so i'm definitely not going to spend my hard earned money for this bullshit. |
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reloaded is a pile of shit, blown out of proportion and utterly lame scenes wound together. matrix 1, i agree with others here, that it had a mysterious side to it but reloaded was just ended all of that, this movie was so bad and I mean yeah the effects were cool but were repeated and forced too much. |
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agreed. same goes for x-men 2, terminator 3 etc. I see no HUGE threads about real films, as in films that try to go further than a shitload of special effects and a storyline that seems a special effect of its own (as in, not really there). |
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agreed, i felt like the credits were NEVER going to end |
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reloaded has monica belluci in it! matrix has that manly, plain-looking woman! nuff said |
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I thought the action grew tiresome at times, and the fight scene between Neo and the Smiths looked like a video game. However, the revelations were interesting and I'm curious to see how it plays out (which should be the function of the second in a trilogy--see The Two Towers.) I kind of wish that Trinity had died, though. I think I'd have more respect for the movie. |
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"matrix has that manly, plain-looking woman!" hmmm, I find her kinda hot... especially in reloaded when she looks more feminine... :) but yeah, monica belluci is real nice... she was in tears of the sun with bruce willis, and lots of times I thought her breasts were going to fall out of her unbuttoned shirt... |
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whatever i thought the movie was sick yes the first 30 minutes blew.... but man it took off after all that.... |
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you all are complaining about it being too long? im complaining that it was too short. 2 & 3 are essentially one big movie, just cut into 2. whatever, |
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I am totally set in awe by the ingorance deployed by the xltronic msgbrd users in regards to Matrix : Reloaded. I agree, the sex scene was horribly gratuitous. What started out like a Stomp video soon turned to the attention spans of 15 year old horny ravers who couldn't dance to an odd time singiture if their lives depended on it. Personally music throughout made me want to gag.. why did they give up the DnB for shite? But regardless of all that, yes, some fight sequences resembled video games, so did the scene in the first Matrix where Morpheus taught Neo the illusions of the Matrix through martial arts. Did anyone ever stop to think that video games are trying to be like movies and bitch about that instead? Originally I thought the whole Matrix trilogy was about evolution and mankind's demise would be eminent at the end. But after viewing Reloaded I found it's more about choice/freedom and if it is an illusion. Taking characters like the Architect at face value is naive as well. How much truth was in what he said? I think I'll take the blue pill anyways. That way I know I'm being good when I consume products made in sweat shops in third world nations and W. Bush is my friend when I receive a $300 tax reimbursement. yeah, and Animal Farm was just a story about some pigs and stuff... |
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this movie is supposed to be eye candy and it was fucking great in that respect. it more than exceeded all my expectations. i can't wait to see it again. and then again. and then maybe again. if you're in seattle, or any other place with a Cinerama, see it there. fucking huge screen with the 96 speaker surround system. i can't wait for the IMAX version too. |
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it gave me a boner |
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matrix shot BLANKS for me baby.......it was passable......but in the end i thought the fight scenes were repetative to DA MAX!!! kneau is NOT gonna win an oscar anytime soon, and anytime he has to EMOTE....like in the 'so called love scenes' he suCKorZ.....so ummm yea.....stick to ze action MON! i'd like to see it again to TRY to make sense out of all the JARGON that i just didn't 'GET' but it will be down the road. tell me......did seeing the shorts released prior to this film make a HUGE difference in your understanding of the 'schtuff' in the beginning of the film???? |
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i don't think keanu was cast as neo for his stirring acting performances as he has virtually none to date (aside from perhaps his role in River's Edge but here he was basically playing another "Ted," the kind of role he plays best). Neo is supposed to be a more or less dense character. they make jokes about it in both films. for example the oracle refers to him as "not too bright" in the first matrix. and i think the french guy or somebody mentions that neo flexes all his muscles except the most important one (a reference to his brain i assume). there are many other tongue-in-cheek references to Neo's dim-witted-ness throughout the movies and i think Keanu Reaves was cast for exactly this reason. |
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Tell me what you think of this analysis. It took me two viewings to come up with all of this. MAJOR SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Zion is part of the Matrix. If Neo chooses the left door, they reboot the matrix and he gets to choose a certain number of people to start the human portion over. Which leads us to Neo #7. Morpheus said it himself in the first one. The one who freed him, who could also manipulate the matrix code aka The One #5, died. How could he die? He was part of a cyclical program where The One is meant to die so that a new One can arise. Meanwhile, Keanu chooses the other door, the first who appears to do so. In this scenario: the machines wipe out the humans, neo isn't given the option of selecting a few to start anew and the matrix is rebooted without the rogue human element. Morpheus said in the first that only a free mind can bend the rules in the matrix to do the superhero stuff. At the end of "Reloaded" Neo stops the Setinels much like he stops bullets in the matrix. Perhaps, it's because his mind has been freed by the architect and he can do so because it is in fact part of the matrix. The fact that Agent Smith was able to clone one of the humans and send that clone over a hardline into Zion, certainly supports the Zion as matrix theory. How could a computer program transfer itself into the 'real' world if it were not part of a program itself. If true, where this leads I have no idea. Neo and the gang defeating the machines only to have all humans wake up in a pool of goo, getting hungry and having to eat dirt? Doesn't sound like a happy ending to me. I'm sure I left some stuff I meant to say out, but that's the jist of it. My head hurts. Agree, diagree, thoughts? |
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the first time i saw reloaded i wasn't really impressed... i didn't think it sucked, but, I wasn't too awefully impressed. the second time i saw it i was thouroughly impressed. I've been reading and talking about it on other boards pretty much since i got out of the theater the 2nd time. basically, i agree with you're interpretation. cept' I don't remember morpheus talking about the one freeing him as being the one. in case anybody cares I'll post a link to the other forum where i've been discussing the movie. it's a pretty good discussion too, cept most people here seemed not to like it... anyway: the forum: and an article theorizing about what it meant, and some related mythology: |
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oh yeah, and a transcript of the architech's speech: |
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herbwest, your analysis is flawed. the reality is: SPOILER SPOILER the matrix is a movie. those things that are happening on screen, none of them are real. if Neo chooses the left door, he is confronted with some gaffers and light technicians having a teamster style smoke break and comparing armpit sweat stains. dufus. doofus. Dewphahss. |
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one thing is for sure awful. the music. and the fact that the music is so heavy in the mix in action scenes....that destroys all those perfect fist-beats. i want the version without the music. |
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Just seen it today & have to say it was a BIG letdown!!!!!!!! Didn't leave the same impact on me as the first, it's basicaly the same film whith a cherry ontop, considering it's supposed to be equaly as ground breaking as the first film was when it came out! Well, I suppose thats sequals for ya..........Oh & the fight scenes where they use wires for the tricks'n'flips look FAKE AS FORK!!!!!!! Although a sequel that has outdone the original is X-MEN 2, the first was crap but after being dragged kicking & screaming to see this I would say it's a very good action romp (although weed does have that effect on me with films:-) |
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Looking at one or two of your posts has reminded me of the SHIIIIIITE & I mean GROTESQUE sound track which completely spoilt the film. It was like half a film without the adrenaline pumping beats. Damn them & thier weak soundtrack!!!!!!!!!!! |
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evolume is a cad |
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Spoiler, spoiler, epohs: morpheus does say something to the effect of - he freed the first of us - i assume this means the previous One - it follows then that Neo would pick out some people to start over with, had he chosen that door, among them his morpheus. He dies, his morpheus finds the new One etc. etc. loopy-loop. blah, blah. |
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here is the best theory i have read so far. I am not sure if to many people truly understand what this movie is actually saying, so I will try to explain it for those that don't get what they just saw. The first thing I recommend is that you try to remove your ego, people all have them - so they believe that the movie must be about people. But actually it is about software and mainframe code. The main computer has been caught in a loop cycle for 5 iterations, and it is trying to find a variance that will break this cycle by utilizing a random bit anomaly piece of software (Neo), to allow it to fully complete its cycle. It has tried this before, but has always failed and in its attempts. It is trying to factor in all variables of its program to make absolute sure of complete success before it attempts to actually implement the complete procedure, like an good piece of software (debugging iteself - "it is the why that is important"). Beta software waiting to go gold. The only factor that was not counted on was an anomaly of two programs intersecting and one becoming a self-replicating virus bent on absolute destruction (Smith), and the anomoly (Neo) complementing his program with protectorate software. This is a brilliant movie, that once you wrap your head around, is really just an ultimate version of Tron with no human watchers (Jeff Bridges), of a computer SuperNoc running through a simulation with all possible factors being worked first, before it initializes the program for real. If Neo completes his role and meets his ultimate purpose as software, then our hero allows the computer to see all variances that it will need to contend with, so that it can fully implement the real program on our world. Matrix - main base operating system. Zion - secondary operating system for software that can no longer can function in main sytem - but can be utilized to build new a matrix system. Neo - Random bit anomaly software for breaking loop cycle – utilized by the Oracle and Architec |
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Trinity - complement software to aid in Neo's completion of purpose. Morpheus and crew - collector programs for mainframe to try to enable the end of the loop cycle. Architect - Mainframe operating system. Oracle - old Macro Software that has been part of all 5 iterations of the loop and can see all variances. Oracle's Protector, Seraph - Mainframe hard code software. Merovingian - old Neo that did not fully implement objective in beta 5.0. Merovingian's wife - Old Trinity code. Twins, and Merovingian's guards - old base black ice protector code. Head Counselor in Zion - Advisor for Mainframe that advises Neo along his upgrade to not touch the main bios (engineering) systems. Key Maker - come on now, too easy, a simple keygen. Smith - self-replicating virus - now capable of moving to either system – infused with anomaly code from Neo. |
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well thats the best theory i've seen not including mine: The matrix is actually a series of images connected together in a chain, eachone a little different from the one before. When a light is shown through these images, they are "projected" onto a "silver screen" with acompanying sound and music. The "real world" is actually just a bunch of pimply faced geeks who refuse to be wowed by a "movie" starring one Keanu Reaves as he is just too damned handsome to respect. |
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damn evolume damn |
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digidy damn digidy |
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I finished the "Enter the Matrix" game last night... looks like an open ending that I imagine will be resolved in the 3rd film. Seeing Reloaded tommorow. |
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Just got back from seeing the film, one word...... A W E S O M E ! |
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amazing, saw it yesterday, i like evolumes comments, i figured out half that, but u filled in the gaps, nice one, i like it much more than the first one now ultimate version of tron, i like that |
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what a pile of shit, i've played computer games with better story! |
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:)) i recommend smoking before the show. besides could see the whole film almost black and white it took a really big impression on me. it's almost like poetry, gives you variety of interpretations. dialogues were awesome too but not well-read people may find them difficult. and those agent smith's self talks...:))) i pass over special effects 'cause they are already class on their own. (forgive my english) |
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