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wizards teeth
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-09 15:22 [#00691926]
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I have one hundred pound that I have saved.
Can anyone suggest some books to read that may change my life / enlighten me ?
I want to change the way I think about things.
I want to realise there are new ways in which to view the world and people.
I hate capatalism.
Thanks Teeth
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-09 15:23 [#00691931]
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American Psycho
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-05-09 15:24 [#00691933]
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Frannie and Zooey - J.D Salinger
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Morgoth
from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-05-09 15:24 [#00691935]
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Books of Marx maybe? Das kapital if I'm not mistaken is one of his most important works.
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2003-05-09 15:25 [#00691937]
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way of the peaceful warrior by Dan Millman, it's a fun read and you might learn something if you're at the bottom of the ladder.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-09 15:25 [#00691938]
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the selfish gene and the pattern on the stone. Don't take other people's suggestions. These are better.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-05-09 15:25 [#00691939]
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read "just a couple of days" for fiction
"one river" for historical narrative, richard evans shultes in the amazon
i really havn't read very many books
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-09 17:58 [#00692224]
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The Joke - Milan Kundera Truth and Method - Hans-Georg Gadamer
for perhaps a more directly life changing book Being and Nothingness - Jean-Paul Sartre
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-09 18:00 [#00692227]
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If you wnt to change the way you think by a book teaching you Chinese...then you can think in a whole new language.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-09 18:00 [#00692229]
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Hermman Hesse - The Glass Bead Game (also published as Magister Ludi)
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-09 18:01 [#00692230]
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it has nothing to do with politics... except in the way that it has to do with, literally, EVERYTHING.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-09 18:02 [#00692232]
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Fight Club
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-09 18:23 [#00692253]
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"Total Freedom" - Krishnamurti
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 18:27 [#00692265]
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The Bible
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-09 18:28 [#00692268]
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You can get the bible for free, he would be better spending his money on something more interesting.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 18:29 [#00692270]
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The Bible
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 18:30 [#00692271]
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nothing interests me more than where i came from and where i am going, and the fine line in between the two.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 18:33 [#00692278]
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he wanted a book to enlighten him, and no book do i finds more enlightening than the Bible. try it one time, alot of intense and deep stuff to think about in there.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-05-09 18:34 [#00692281]
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The Qu'ran in pretty funky
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-05-09 18:42 [#00692292]
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Beyond Good and Evil (and/or) Thus spoke Zarathustra - Friedrich Nietzsche
Nietzsche and the Vicious Circle - Pierre Klossowski
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-05-09 18:46 [#00692296]
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cat's cradle by kurt vonnegut is great, short read, makes you think of life differently
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-09 21:21 [#00692427]
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if you do decide to read the bible, you absolutely should also seek out a compendium of the complete gospels (which includes the existing texts that were excised by the political powers that shaped christian orthodoxy) and the nag hamaddi library, which is available in english translation.
try "i am that" by sri nisargadatta maharaj, dialogues about self and reality
"tao te ching" translated by stephen mitchell, the classic chinese metaphysical text by lao tzu
"the lathe of heaven" by ursula leguin, science fiction about a man who discovers his dreams change the present, reordering history to conform with the changes, and another man who seeks to control his incredible power
"valis" by philip k dick, a mix of autobiography and science fiction about an author whose model of reality is turned upside down
"true hallucinations" by terence mckenna, about an autobiographical search for logos (and psychedelic plants) in the amazonian rainforest, very openminded and speculative with humor and intelligence
and if you have immense patience and interest in neo-christian, gnostic ideas you might try
"a course in miracles," but this last one is not for everyone, to say the least
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-09 21:31 [#00692435]
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beh, don't read something heavy if you just want to get a general feeling of difference. try something angry or driven by madness ;)
do the master and margarita by mikhail bulgakov, or notes from the underground or crime and punishment, both from fyodor dosteovky. ah, the russians ;)
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-09 21:35 [#00692441]
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non-fiction , in my opinion, even if it points to an opposite stance on something such as a specific political view or religious/spiritual view, is in the end - a dry specific political or religious view. it comes full circle, in most cases. lacks imagination of absurdity and has too much planned rhetoric. i know, im being an ass.
on the other hand, i find fiction to be a little more uplifting and not steaming at the ends with pressure and rigidity.
maybe on top of the suggestions i made above, enjoy reading about a drunk who fucks women and writes poems and loses jobs - the late charles bukowski ...
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-09 21:45 [#00692454]
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The bible is shit. Well, everything except for the Goldren Rule.
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-09 21:47 [#00692457]
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the bible seems like one very long and extravagant rpg
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 21:49 [#00692460]
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i wouldn't expect anything less from this message board.
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-05-09 21:49 [#00692461]
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bernard werber - the ants
makes you view stuff from the other perspective
also, naomi klein - no logo
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neetta
from Finland on 2003-05-09 21:50 [#00692464]
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people say bible is shit even though i doubt they even read it
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-09 21:53 [#00692475]
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weathered, you are close to the truth, but i think you meant toilet papyr.
"he who spents too much time hanging out in his rectum always thinks he smells shit." -discordian pope pyrus the inflamed
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-09 21:54 [#00692477]
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Read the bible, but dont let it run your life.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 21:56 [#00692478]
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you read it?
cover to cover?
then explain to me EXACTLY how it is toilet paper?
if you can.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-09 21:57 [#00692479]
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i suppose since humor can shroud one's true opinion, i should say that i think everyone should read the bible. i don't think anyone should uncritically believe any of it, but i think especially the gospels are very important to consider.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 21:57 [#00692480]
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neetta: i know. not everyone is as reasonable and mature as you. :)
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 21:58 [#00692482]
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so then it's not exactly "toilet paper" huh?
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-09 21:59 [#00692485]
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tibbar, i was simply making light of weathered's dismissal of the book. i hope my irreverence did not offend.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-09 22:00 [#00692487]
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I really don't understand how some people can be so disrepectful to certain religions...
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 22:00 [#00692488]
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if someone is searching for enlightenment with blind eyes, how cxan they see truth?
so i agree with not blindly beliveing everything. besides, i think part of being a Christian for me has always been asking questions and NOT always understanding things.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-09 22:02 [#00692489]
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after all, i had just recommended the complete gospels and the nag hamaddi library (some of which was unwittingly used as kindling by the family of the man who discovered the texts in 1945). to some, the bible is simply paper with words printed on it. i don't intend to cast judgement on them.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-09 22:04 [#00692490]
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right... well, me personally, I'm in kind of a "transition" phase so to speak... not really sure what to believe... I've kind of strayed from the path, so to speak, because I've begun to question some things about the bible and stuff... I ain't letting any priest or pastor tell me what the bible means... I'm interpreting it for myself thank you very much...
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-09 22:04 [#00692491]
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I hate all religions equally.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-09 22:05 [#00692492]
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*correction: all ORGANIZED religions.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-09 22:05 [#00692493]
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why shouldn't they be disrespectful? what gives you the right to judge them? a child scolds his mother. let them learn.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 22:05 [#00692494]
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no.
but i have a healthy fear of my maker. and to offend him is something that i dread.
in defense of what you said, the Bible has made it clear time and time again that man is not to be foolish or gullible... i agree, especially in a world where there are SO many people posing as one thing, only to turn out to be vicious wolves.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-09 22:06 [#00692495]
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I am disrespectful to all religions.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 22:07 [#00692497]
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funk: that is ALSO very dangerous... that is how things like jehova's witnesses, mormons, and catholicism got started.
people decided they figured out their OWN interperetation of God's word and ran with that. VERY dangerous
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 22:08 [#00692498]
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i also hate the word "religion" being applied to Christianity.
there is truth and their is lies.
there is no "religion".
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-05-09 22:09 [#00692499]
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and so people who admittedly hate or disrespect all religions are fit to give someone suggestions on enlightening books?
bah.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-09 22:10 [#00692500]
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well, you have every right to be disrespectful... I just wonder why you would be... if someone chooses to believe in a certain thing, and they aren't bothering anyone else, why would someone feel the need to stamp all over their beliefs? Not saying that anyone is stamping all over my beliefs really... just, the comments about the bible being shit, and toilet paper were pretty disrespectful imo...
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-05-09 22:10 [#00692501]
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personally, i think it is a mistake to fear your maker. who gave you courage? would you be so rude, as to not accept that gift? you were given the gift to choose light or darkness, and if you call accepting the consequences of your choices punishment, so be it. your maker is too busy loving you to waste a second punishing you.
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