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         |  Loopz
             from Brum Land on 2003-05-01 12:05 [#00679823] Points: 526 Status: Regular
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 | no they cant - they have to kill things. i hope you lot dont kill spiders etc after quoting every tom dick and harry!
 
 
 
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         |  plaidzebra
             from so long, xlt on 2003-05-01 12:38 [#00679873] Points: 5678 Status: Lurker
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 | loopz, could you be a little clearer?  maybe thinking that animals are "things" is part of the problem.  i do think
 that these quotes are valuable food for thought, not the
 ramblings of tom, dick or harry.
 and, for the record, i indeed do not kill spiders, i like
 them.  i will kill parasitic, biting insects, though.
 i don't think that killing for sustenance is really the
 issue.  though i am a vegetarian, i don't expect everyone
 else to become one.  compassion for animals is not refusal
 to eat them.  however, our desires for meat have put
 enormous strains on the planet to support the massive,
 factory-farmed meat production;  and, as has been
 acknowledged, contributed to the depletion of our oceans'
 fish.
 i can accept that fishing in public waters and leaving the
 fish to die on the beach could be considered a petty
 offense.  but fishing for sustenance is part of life.  fox
 hunting, on the other hand, lacks the parallel of necessity.
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         |  corrupted-girl
             on 2003-05-01 14:12 [#00680015] Points: 8469 Status: Regular
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 | There's a lot of fishing laws here.. can only fish certain kind of fishes, certain sizes.. only allowd a certain amount
 and you will get fined if you disobey the rules. And fishing
 licenses... I think it works well.
 
 
 
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-01 14:40 [#00680054] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to Loopz: #00679823 | Show recordbag
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 | He he, whilst I have no problem with fishing, I never kill spiders or ants. I really like insects and they're not that
 good to eat (yes, I've eaten insects...).
 
 
 
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         |  The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-01 14:53 [#00680070] Points: 16280 Status: Lurker
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 | yes, ban this Fishing person, I never liked him!!! 
 
 
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         |  Anus_Presley
             on 2003-05-01 15:17 [#00680113] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker
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 | fuck banning fishing. no way, fish arre fish, i'm sorrrry, they may have feelings and a family to supporrt but i don't
 carre because they arre fish.
 
 
 
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         |  corrupted-girl
             on 2003-05-01 15:19 [#00680116] Points: 8469 Status: Regular
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 | I don't think it should be banned. There should be fishing licenses, laws and a limits. We need to keep endangered
 fishes in mind.  We can still fish and protect the wildlife.
 
 
 
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         |  Anus_Presley
             on 2003-05-01 15:25 [#00680130] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker
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 | "There should be fishing licenses, laws and a limits" 
 therre is so...
 
 
 
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         |  danbrusca
             from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-01 16:05 [#00680179] Points: 4570 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ceri JC: #00680054
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 | I happily coexist with spiders provided I never see them. 
 
 
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         |  X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-05-01 16:21 [#00680190] Points: 2901 Status: Lurker
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 | That's my attitude, sort the human issues out first. 
 well if you look at it more deeply, in the end this is also
 a human issue.
 
 Btw, I read in the papers today that researchers found out
 that fish, contrary to popular fisherman's believe,
 do feel pain and stress.
 
 
 
 
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         |  X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-05-01 16:28 [#00680195] Points: 2901 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00679755
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 | "As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of 
 lower living beings, he will never know health or peace. For
 
 long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other.
 Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap
 
 joy and love"
 
 Pythagoras
 
 beautiful quote and so true.
 
 
 
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         |  Loopz
             from Brum Land on 2003-05-01 17:07 [#00680229] Points: 526 Status: Regular | Followup to plaidzebra: #00679873
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 | I have no problem with thinking that animals are "things". isnt it you that has the problem ? :)
 
 and i would class myself as a vegetarian in some respects.
 Only because i dont eat meat. Go on i know i will get the
 but you eat cheese etc etc. Im not an elitist vegetarian
 just someone who doesnt eat meat and doesnt throw it in to
 get some random point across. or maybe i just did! :) aha!
 
 Isnt it also natures way to have a bit of a killing going on
 ? they blame it on the food chain but even animals sometimes
 kill to protect or for play
 
 i think a lot of people have said it already. Killing fish
 is the least of our problems on this earth!
 
 
 
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         |  Morgoth
             from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-05-01 17:13 [#00680233] Points: 1264 Status: Regular | Followup to Loopz: #00680229
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 | If killing fish means the destruction of ecosystems, it is a big problem. Fishing isn't the only cause of it, but this
 ecosystem needs every part of the food chain and what not to
 keep itself intact.
 
 I'm not talking about fishing as a hobby but about fishing
 on sea for food-production.
 
 
 
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         |  corngrower
             from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-01 17:27 [#00680239] Points: 4404 Status: Lurker
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 | the day they ban fishing is the day I move to mars... 
 
 
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         |  AMinal
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-01 18:17 [#00680286] Points: 3476 Status: Regular
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 | fishes aren't cunning cute cuddly littow mamal-y wowsies 
 
 
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         |  LeCoeur
             from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-05-01 23:04 [#00680468] Points: 8249 Status: Lurker | Followup to corngrower: #00680239
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 | *me and the the REST OF THE BORG will join you there, grower of ze corn*
 
 =0)
 
 *eats some sushi* =o)~
 
 
 
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         |  xlr
             from Boston (United States) on 2003-05-01 23:37 [#00680484] Points: 4904 Status: Regular
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 | If a fish ever got a chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!
 
 
 
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         |  The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-02 01:16 [#00680535] Points: 16280 Status: Lurker | Followup to xlr: #00680484
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 | that's true though! 
 
 
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         |  Cfern
             from Sacto (United States) on 2003-05-02 01:51 [#00680553] Points: 1384 Status: Lurker
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 | what the fucking is wrong with eating meat?  nothing 
 how else besides fishing do you propose we get fish besides
 fishing?   case closed
 
 
 
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         |  jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-05-02 03:18 [#00680650] Points: 6650 Status: Lurker
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 | OK, but what about East End weasel wrestling? 
 
 
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         |  Morgoth
             from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-05-02 03:22 [#00680655] Points: 1264 Status: Regular | Followup to Cfern: #00680553
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 | Check webpages from several vegetarian/vegan society's... 
 Read "Diet for a new America"
 
 Check the site from the american Dietists association, and
 check the site from the physicians commitee for responsible
 medicine, and you will find out why people stop eating meat.
 
 
 
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         |  Bob Mcbob
             on 2003-05-02 03:25 [#00680660] Points: 9939 Status: Regular
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 | redusing the fish population means less food for the osprays. Think of the osprays!
 
 
 
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         |  jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-05-02 03:35 [#00680678] Points: 6650 Status: Lurker | Followup to Morgoth: #00680655
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 | Some girl I used to work with was a veggie but she had so start eating meat again as her hair started falling out.
 
 
 
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         |  Morgoth
             from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-05-02 03:42 [#00680689] Points: 1264 Status: Regular | Followup to jonesy: #00680678
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 | I'm a veggie for 6 years now and am perfectly healthy. 
 I know some guys that are vegan now for 15 years and are in
 perfect condition.
 
 For vegans:they should know what they're doing. And for
 vegetarians, if you eat varried enough, there should not be
 too much problems.
 
 
 
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         |  Bob Mcbob
             on 2003-05-02 03:45 [#00680690] Points: 9939 Status: Regular
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 | what is really bad is seafood fishing....they are caught in a net, fine....but they are boiled alive before eating, and
 that is soo wrong to me
 
 
 
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-02 03:46 [#00680693] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | I used to be a vegetarian until my early teens, not for any health/morale reason, just I didn't like meat. I didn't eat
 chicken for a while after that as we kept chickens as pets
 and for eggs and I couldn't bring myself to eat one.
 
 I don't care if people do or don't eat meat, but people who
 protest against others eating meat really make my blood
 boil. Have a read of this funny, yet with a serious point article...
 
 
 
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         |  Bob Mcbob
             on 2003-05-02 03:58 [#00680705] Points: 9939 Status: Regular | Followup to Ceri JC: #00680693
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 | http://maddox.xmission.com/irule.html 
 heh love that site
 
 
 
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-02 04:05 [#00680712] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to Bob Mcbob: #00680705 | Show recordbag
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 | I love the way he got hate mail pointing out his misspelling of "insane" (he was actually writing inane...)
 
 
 
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         |  Morgoth
             from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-05-02 06:10 [#00680936] Points: 1264 Status: Regular | Followup to Ceri JC: #00680693
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 | I agree, I don't eat meat but I do not have any problem with people eating meat. There is still a lot of people that
 dislike people for eating meat, and the other way around.
 I've had to explain myself not eating meat severall times to
 people who just don't understand.
 We should just respect each others habbits.
 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 06:14 [#00680948] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Show recordbag
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 | I'm sorry but I keep reading this read as Should fisting be banned. I'm twisted. Sorry.
 
 
 
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         |  X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2003-05-03 17:57 [#00682996] Points: 2901 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ceri JC: #00680693
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 | funny how he blames all vegetarians by a sentence used on a restaurants menu-card. Unfortunately, poor maddox doesn't
 seem to understand the meaning of the word murder, which is:
 to kill with a premeditated motive (animals grown and bred
 for slaughter on a massive scale comes to mind), whereas his
 point of the animals being killed during harvest does not
 happen with a premeditated motive. It's not like the
 creature is being overrun by the machine on purpose since
 the farmer can't see the creatures moving about the
 wheatfields. So unintentional murder is a paradox since
 murder cannot be unintentional. There will always killing
 because we can't survive without killing something, it's
 just that today we are breeding animals especially for
 slaughter which is totally unnnatural whichever way you try
 to put it.
 Funny how when you say ur a vegetarian it always summons up
 such aggressive and hateful responses.
 
 
 
 
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         |  corngrower
             from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2003-05-03 18:01 [#00683000] Points: 4404 Status: Lurker | Followup to giginger: #00680948
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 | mmmmmm.... fisting.... ;) 
 
 
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-05-03 18:31 [#00683025] Points: 9325 Status: Regular
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 | ok... too drunk to read through all posts... I'm against murdering/eating animals...
 but then I'm not blinded by the lies most people are...
 Fishing is way better than buying commercial slaughter
 though...
 I'm a rawfoodist btw... damn... a drunk rawfoodist? yeah I
 tell you!
 I sure am. But in a year or so I'll be 100% raw... and then
 things will be sweeeeeeet! I tell you!
 maybe I'm too drunk to post, will be interesting to read
 your comments... or if this just seems like bullshit, aw I
 don't know. damn it's getting late. oh I need to go to the
 WC... oh... what's happening? I'm too drunk, period.
 
 
 
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         |  anon
             from ^_^ (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-04 02:14 [#00683216] Points: 1828 Status: Lurker
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 | I think that just because some people don't think it's right it doesnt mean everyone else has to follow that.. but then
 again if i was in charge of the world people would do as i
 said or die hehehehe :P
 
 -A-
 
 
 
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         |  Zombiekev
             from Ardmore (United States) on 2003-05-04 19:26 [#00684194] Points: 2857 Status: Lurker
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 | there's nothing wrong with fishing. if you use barb-less hooks than most of the time you can
 release the fish you catch.
 
 
 
 
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         |  Q4Z2X
             on 2003-05-04 19:55 [#00684207] Points: 5264 Status: Lurker
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 | general fishing should not be banned, just FLY fishing AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 AHAH AHA AAAHA HA
 
 
 
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         |  jupitah
             from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-05-04 20:16 [#00684222] Points: 3489 Status: Lurker
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 | before we ban fishing, shouldn't we make some regulations on conditions for chickens?  just plain sick.
 
 
 
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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-05 05:08 [#00684526] Points: 651 Status: Lurker
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 | It's illegal to use barbed hooks on chickens! ; ) 
 
 
 
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         |  Jedi Chris
             on 2003-05-05 05:12 [#00684529] Points: 11496 Status: Lurker
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 | In the majority of cases, we catch fish to eat it......its part of the food chain. That being said, I just don't see
 what the fascination is with sitting on the side of the
 riverside for hours upon hours, to only catch a little
 'tiddler' and then throw it back - wtf?!??!!
 
 I also don't think we should fish until supplies are
 extinct....but on the whole I don't think fishing should be
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-05-05 05:15 [#00684533] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to X-tomatic: #00682996 | Show recordbag
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 | Incorrect- despite what vegetarians claim, the correct usage of the word "murder" can only be applied to the killing of
 humans... in much the same way "patricide" is only
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         |  Jedi Chris
             on 2003-05-05 05:18 [#00684536] Points: 11496 Status: Lurker
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 | Swallowed a thesaurus this morning?   :P 
 
 
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         |  bader_princess
             from Svalbard And Jan Mayen Islands on 2003-05-05 05:20 [#00684543] Points: 42 Status: Lurker
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 | fishing should be banned for 12 year old boys who leave fish in your bed!!  :s grrrrrrrrr
 
 
 
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         |  Jedi Chris
             on 2003-05-05 05:21 [#00684545] Points: 11496 Status: Lurker | Followup to bader_princess: #00684543
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 | LOL!!! Tell us more! 
 
 
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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-05 05:27 [#00684549] Points: 651 Status: Lurker | Followup to Jedi Chris: #00684529
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 | Fishing is a too generalised term. There's fishing for food and then there's angling which is done for sport/leisure.
 The majority of the UK's fishermen fall into the latter
 catergory. I'd slap a ban on angling ? there's no
 justification for inflicting pain on any animal for your own
 recreation.
 
 I have no problem with catching fish for food, provided it's
 on a small scale like how they fish in the developing world
 with small boats and little nets. It's the industrialised
 fishing that bothers me. Huge trawlers with nets 2 - 3 miles
 wide that hoovers up everthing in it's path.
 
 
 
 
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         |  bader_princess
             from Svalbard And Jan Mayen Islands on 2003-05-05 05:31 [#00684552] Points: 42 Status: Lurker
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 | well i just have a very mishchievious hyperactive  brother, who'll  sit for hours trying to catch fish.....and once he's
 caught one he delights in finding the most annoying place to
 'hide' it!  i think he has a bet on with his mate to see who
 can find the best place.
 
 My bed's winning so far!......and it was there for 3 days :s
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         |  Jedi Chris
             on 2003-05-05 05:44 [#00684556] Points: 11496 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00684549
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 | Agreed......angling should be banned! 
 
 
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         |  jupitah
             from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-05-05 09:31 [#00684756] Points: 3489 Status: Lurker
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 | the very notion that some people consider hunting and fishing a sport disturbs me.  i support hunting and such,
 but the attitude surrounding the majority of hunting culture
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         |  DiaZoHeXagoN
             from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-05-05 10:07 [#00684793] Points: 2659 Status: Lurker
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 | Poor Fishes 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2003-05-05 10:16 [#00684798] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | if fishing was banned, what the hell would northerners eat then?
 
 
 
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