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okay, i'm not demanding that people give up their secret techniques, if that's how you look at it, but i'm curious to see what kinds of things other electronic musicians out there do to make interesting sounds...as soon as i see anyone is interested in this thread, i'll post some of my own...maybe even some i used for my remix :) |
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well i tweak around in reaktor a lot to create sounds. any software synthezisers are interesting actually. there are some good software for turning images into sound too and they are nice. anything i can get my hands on really. ive made some simple software too for randomizing sound triggers too which was quite interesting. |
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Lots of softsynths (especially modular ones that you can use to make your own synth settings). I also use image converting things and record scratches which I delay/speed up/Fx the hell out of. |
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As others said... I play around a little in various software-synths, VST-plugins, etc. I love the time-stretch effect and use it often and a lot! :D |
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I use drumsynth. A useful tip in DS is not to use the noise generators, use the to frequency generator (not the overtone A and B one) and just put ridiculous numbers in for frequencies. like from 321524134 to 20. That kind of shit. All my synths are the softsynths in fruityloops. Thge 3xOSC is wicked because you have complete control over it. Like 100% control, which is kind of rare as far as softsynths go, I think. |
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one of the techniques i tried with my remix i thought was rather interesting. first, the entire remix was done in sound forge, no sequence, no synth, no drum machine. nothing like that. anyway, i was very curious as to how autechre made the sounds on the track "gantz graf," so i figured out my own way of coming up with such sounds...no doubt different from what they do, but still cool. it's not the same, but i like it, and plan to use it again. i selected a very very tiny bit of audio (like in the 0.010-0.100 second range, sometimes slightly longer) and copied it. i then loop-pasted the sample a good dozenish times (as many times as your taste calls for) and repeated with different samples, pretty much randomly selected audio, within a loop. after doing this so much that basically the entire loop had been effected, it sounded absolutely wicked. the great part is that the parts you select don't have to coincide with a particular sample, like a drum or fx, it can literally be ANY RANDOM BIT OF AUDIO! you guys need to get more specific! tell me if my explanation makes sense... i'll post more in turn, later on. |
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use synthedit to make your own softsynths... you'll have even more control over the sound.. |
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download some free vst effects. play around with sounds you have recorded. record 1 second samples from records and tv. play with reverbs a lot. if you have any hardware which is old/unique, use that, e.g. old tape recorders, synths,etc. get a decent mic for about £30 and record anything that makes a sound when you hit it. get a decent wave editor. remember to cut all waves at zero crossings or you will get pops...you can figure the rest out for yourself. |
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i build my sounds on old roland sequencers.. then tweak them in the sampler ill also sample from recordings of jams.. much in the fashion that intheknife mentioned.. rip out segements where wierd shit happens etc, then again, keep messing with it so its part recycling, part building from scratch. |
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k then, how about this one: i'm rather proud of this, it was totally by chance, but if i can make it happen again, i'll use the shit out of it. the secret to my remix was my cd-rom. i had bought draft 7.30 that day, and before i even listened to it, we (my remix partner and i) ripped a couple songs from it into sound forge. one of the tracks (i won't say which one yet) had these weird gaps in it all over the place. having not heard the album yet, i assumed that was how the song went, because it sounded super cool. so i said, this sounds like ae took a cool song and literally ripped it apart, so what if we put it back together? we we deleted all of the silence in the track, and it still made no sense, but it sounded fantastic. then we did most of the work on our remix...and later on we were listening to the album on my cd player, and there was no track sounding like the one we remixed!!! so we quickly figured out that my cd-rom, coupled with sound forge, had trouble reading some of the tracks on the cd, and the rip sounded like that because of hundreds of glitches in the operation. how cool is that? you'll hear what i'm talking about when the mixes are released. |
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um. it doesn't sound very cool, really. guess I'll have to hear it. does sound like a lot of what you achieve in sound manipulation is based on chance, not so much skill and/or choice. |
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I use my voice a lot. |
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how could one surmise, from the information i've given, that a lot of what i achieve in sound manipulation is based on chance, not so much skill and/or choice? first, i revel in randomness and "accidental genious," as it's been called a couple times... i could make available the sound file originally generated by sound forge (actually it'd be the second one that happened that way, as we accidentally lost the first one...oh well) if anyone actually wants to hear what i'm talking about. off topic, but...raimons: what's your avatar from? i clearly recognize it, but can't place where i've seen those lights...some movie...not sure. do tell :) anyway, back to sound...i suppose this is why many people don't like to get specific about talking about how they make and alter sounds, because someone's always there to be an asshole and say how that's not pure, or doesn't require skill, or some other total fucking bullshit like that. do not post those kinds of opinions in this thread, that's not what its for. you could start your own thread called "i'm too good for losers who enjoy the world's randomness from time to time, and i make stupid assumptions about their supposed lack of talent based on one thing they said about one very specific event. i'm a douche." there ya go. ass. |
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easy tiger :) |
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People who criticise hitting randomise 200 times till you get a good drum rhythm and then carefully fine tune it, obviously have never used trial and error. They write entire pieces from start to end getting all their synth patches etc. spot on without previewing them. :D |
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buy a novation supernova |
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thank you. anyway, i'm not mad, just wearing my opinion right on my poofy shakespearean sleeve ;) i make it a point to call out that kinda stuff when i see it. my remix partner, whom i will refer to as "lsa" here actually sometimes does his drum programming in reason with the quantize turned off...and it usually sounds fantastic! and we sculpt sounds in sound forge while listening to music and not previewing the audio at all. where the talent comes in is knowing what to use and/or how to use it once you've got this random stuff, tweaking it to make it just right for you, and coming up with creative ways of acheiving said randomness. another fun thing to do is to take a beat or two (as in one or two counts, not whole patterns) and reverse it, maybe fx it some, and mixpaste it back into the loop at some random point, maybe even only on the left or right side :) as i said, we did our remix using nothing but soundforge and my cd player (i also sampled teartear skipping in my cd player...i'm not sure if we used it though...i don't mind sharing that track title, cuz that's not what we remixed ;) and we ONLY used autechre audio, nothing of our own or from any other source, so i learned a lot about how to take source material and use it to alter itself...does that make sense? |
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<- sends you huge respect for the cryptoburners avatar |
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i've always thought the best way to make sounds was through vibrations at different frequencies |
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I occasionally do things such as what imtheknife mentioned in his second post, but mainly I use softsynths and crappy samples. (What I really want is an MD recorder or something so I can get my own from more interesting sources than what I have on my desk) I wrote some of the synths (and effects) I use myself, which doesn't make my music any better but would allow me to sneer at people if I was the kind of person to do that... which I hope I'm not. [ Note on Synthedit: Maybe I'm biased, but I'd rather recommend either using Reaktor (though I don't have a lot of experience with it) or writing them from scratch yourself. The basics aren't hard to figure out at all if you're the right kind of smart, and for anything you don't have the time to learn about you can just use other people's code (it's the same thing as using music software written by other people, really). See http://www.musicdsp.org for that. ] |
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respect for the roddy avatar ;) |
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i like how i was assumed to be male ;) |
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jesus don't get so defensive. don't start threads if you can't take criticism. my original comment was: "does sound like a lot of what you achieve in sound manipulation is based on chance, not so much skill and/or choice." the two examples you have given both lean quite a lot on chance. however, nowhere does it say this is an inherently bad thing. I'm just saying, that it didn't come down to skill and/or choice, therefore there isn't a lot to talk about. am I supposed to say "wow, thats really cool, you stumbled upon something by accident, well done!". that's all. seems to me you were the one making a lot of assumptions. and I will decide myself how I will comment in any thread - you do not decide what "it is for". please don't start stuff like "ass" - it makes you sound like a 16-year-old. grow up. |
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the only example based on chance was the incident with my cd-rom...the other technique was very purposeful...the point of it being a "random bit of audio" is that you don't end up hearing the source sound as it appears normally...you hear a tinytiny snippet of it, so the exact sample you shoose merely determines the sharpness and pitch of the effect. very purposeful, however...as far as the cd-rom thing, i just felt like sharing that little story here... and i can take the criticism. just because i don't ignore it doesn't mean i can't take it. i will respond to anything i feel the need to. i apologize for "ass," it was a bit inappropriate. however, what you said could be taken as being fairly offensive. and no, you no one has to say "wow, that's really cool...etc" in fact, i'd be suspicious of their brainpower if that's all they had to say... one of my other posts does attempt to explain where the skill/talent/choice comes into play. it's all just a matter of taste. some people find that stuff inspirational and fun, others think it's crap. oh well. i know i'm right ;) |
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ow allright then.. everything is hunkydory again. :) |
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with 'real' synths youve got all the knobs and sliders infront of you to touch, so it's easy to make sounds, it all depends on your knowlage of how synthersisers and sounds work, using analog synths for years means you know exactly where to set the knobs/sliders to get the sound you want, nothin random bout that |
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I haven't been here long enough to know anybody or their gender, so pardon me. English isn't my first language, and I don't intuitively know exactly when "they" or "he" is conventionally the gender-neutral personal pronoun, but I decided that in this case "he" would fit best. (And I'm not going to use "ey" (a fully neutral and very silly pronoun proposed by some group or other, I forget which) no matter how hard you hit me.) (Unless you hit me hard enough.) |
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nord modular http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/ you should fuckin buy it! this makes really fantastic sounds it isnt cheap though but its worth the money (thats my problem) |
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like this check it! wooooGOOOOKKKKhhh verrrPPPP! shpeewwwwwwKiKiKikggggh GhWAAaaaaaaarrrrfff sample that shit. aww yeah. |
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im getting right into my hardware lately. running it all with fruityloops. ive made dashboards in fruity for my juno, A station, and am working on one for my brand new roland SH-32. but yeah, been playin around with the SH-32 for the last few weeks. havent written a song in months though. too busy trying to learn to program in asp VBScript at the mo. |
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idiots. defensive, cockgobbling, egostrutting charlatans. i am the aforementioned 'lsa', as it is my release moniker. pretty much, this board has shown itself to be full of incompetent charlatans who think they know a lot. great work guys! hope you make it past 20! anyways, sure you can say it doesn't take skill to accidentally find something, but there's no proof that's actually what happened. it was a noticed trend, and then it was decided to use this error as an intentional form of destruction to a track. basically, it was like applying a massive distortion/gapper to a song. so basically, what we ended up describing was a method of fx, of which is as equally valid as explaining an eq method or a distortion method or a reverb method. anyways, i'm done. enjoy masturbating while typing your flame out, and i hope you don't hit your eye. -j |
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gnocelot > no worries, i was just givin ya shit...it's all good :) my way of commenting on american subliminal sexism and the built-in preferencial masculinity of most romance- /latin- based languages. nothing personal. i have a korg electribe ea-1 (the blue one/the synth) and i like running sound into the audio in a tweaking it realtime...i just about did my remix that way, but that woulda been way too cheap and wouldn't have represented the amount of thought i wanted to put into said mix. but try running drum loops through of those puppies :):):) or a sound effects cd...or talk/sing through it...i haven't even tried that yet, though i have an idea of how it could be made to sound...more smiles :) |
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lsa rulez ;) |
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i've got the er-1 (red) it's wicked, tho i don't like playing it from midi, it's better just screwin with the nobs ace that you can realtime record the nob movements and process external audio |
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have you tried putting the headphone out back in to the audio input? |
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i made a track once my taking a distortion pedal, phaser, and wah, and running them together in a feedback loop. as i recall, i ran the distortion out into either the phaser or wah, then back into the distortion. the distortion out was split and the unused output routed to the 3rd pedal (whichever it was). i just used the noise the distortion generated (which was a whole lot! ...it was a boss metal zone) and very slowly adjusted the phase rate and depth, and eventually brought the wah frequency up from low to high...it was a good 1:30 - 2 min...i don't recall exactly...it's been a while since i heard that track. i made it for the intro to my old band's shows...i added over top of it a recording of anton lavey reading from his satanic bible :) funstuff. splitters rule. |
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i want an er-1 so bad...in fact, anybody happen to have one for sale? or know of a good place to look, besides ebay? (i'm not dissing ebay, but it's not always the best...) |
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i'd sell mine but the alpha dial's broken i just use it as a noisebox now actually i think i'd keep it if it worked try somewhere like the reader ad's in magazines, there cheap enough brand new now too |
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Ah! You got wonderful taste I see! Mine is used on everything! |
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mc303 drum machine, sometimes effects (pedals delay etc) and sometimes i use samples on a computer. |
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Most of the time, I have a special sound in mind rtc. The problem is to recreate it in "reality" with a synth etc.......its ver frustrating......my FAVOURITE synth is probably and Pro53 by NI.....I like reading boooks, and a good glass of wine now and than....thatz is all ! |
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the things i'd do for a real prophet 5.... |
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cadet> i don't recall which the alpha dial is, but i might even be interested in purchasing a er-1 if that was broken on it...if you would actually consider such, let me know...the only thing is, the shipping from the u.k. to the u.s. might not make it worthwhile. if anybody here uses reason...or has ever used it...thoughts on it? likes/dislikes about it? and has anyone had the good fortune to play with reason 2.5...i have (beta, at this point), and it's pretty cool...they added a few more modules, my fave is the new screamer distortion (i think that's what it's called), which is a 2 full rack unit distortion unit with something like 10 different distortion modes, and bunches of tweaking knobs :) funstuff. |
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