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can any of you guys recommend some good underground hip hop? relaxing stuff with cool rappers... hmm... im craving it ! |
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hmm..relaxing stuff? |
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the best latest good hip hop album I've heard lately is dj format - music for the mature b-boy. actually it kicks ass! |
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kinda like some of the stuff on the prefuse 73 warp mix which i mentioned in another thread - if your familiar with it |
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no I'm not. |
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yo teapot,not sure wot you like,got a top anti pop consortian 12,remixed by LFO. |
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Dj Yoda! get one of his 'how to cut and paste' albums.... |
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Yeah, they're wicked. |
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dj dsl - dj dsl #1 (not quite hip hop, not quite soul, yet strangely charming - could be your tonic.) machine drum - now you know the new prefuse album? |
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i pretty much like all hip hop... just something pretty groovy and funky is what im craving today, thanks for the suggestions... ill check em all out :) |
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blackalicious |
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dr. octagon, deltron 3030 |
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none of this is great underground check mf doom "operation: doomsday!" mood "doom" (hi-tek early in his career) company flow "funcrusher plus" classic el-p "fantastic damage" quasimoto "the unseen" dialated peoples "the platform" "expansion team" killah priest "heavy mental" (there is no other album like this one) a lot of wu-tang meth's "tical" raekwon's "only built 4 cuban linx..." ghostface's "ironman" and "supreme clientele" gza "liquid swords" one of the best albums ever early sunz of man the first two gravediggaz albums (a joint side-project by prince paul and rza) dj greyboy's "unda-pendent hip-hop vol1" is a great compilation the first two soundbombing compilations from rawkus are amazing ..ignore the third at ALL COSTS (they made a sell-out attempt that completely fell flat) nas "illmatic" and "it was written" la the darkman "heist of the century" maybe killarmy el the sensai talib kweli mobb deep's "hell on earth" has truly amazing production "infamous" is great as well early organized konfusion/pharaoe monch u might like etc etc etc there's so much more I'm leaving out but I hope u like some of those |
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check bigl too ... one of the most amazing beats ever = "furious anger" by shyheim f/ big l jay-z's "can't knock the hustle" has the most sublime, dreamy calming/relaxing beats ..it's definately one of my favorites check his first album reasonable doubt for more and who could forget dj premier.. anyhting he touches is shimmering gold.. he has a really cool cut-up style (smoother than the skittery prefuse style) check a decade of gang starr.. and moment of truth both are great and both hit all the criteria u mentioned for what kind of hiphop u want to hear right now |
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"none of this is great underground" by the way, meant nothing mentioned before this.. not saying what people mentioned was bad.. but there is much better hiphop out there |
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thanks theo, theres a lot of stuff there, ill make sure i check it all out :) |
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yeah the 'ghostlawns' 12" is pretty good, the mike ladd remix too I'd definitely say go with Buck 65 'Square' Ben |
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sorry.. I left out the first (again, avoid the second.. another sell-out attempt by rawkus) volume of Lyricist Lounge for a great cross-section of some of the best eastcoast underground offerings if u like deltron, dr octagon (kool keith) u might like keith's protege sir menelik aka scaramanga ok I wont make a fifth contiguous post I promise |
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don't swamp him with too many things...we aren't interested in your hip hop knowledge |
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oh no please do, im writing this all down for my record shopping expedition :) |
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pretty expensive expedition |
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actually that might do for now :) i wont be able to afford half of those hehe ill hit you up again later about more stuff hehe |
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yeah... wishful thinking if i think i can get a fraction of all that hehe |
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buck 65 is very nice though.. |
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no one asked you. please check wu-tang's 'enter the wu-tang: 36 chambers' and 'forever' (ignore 'the w' and 'iron flag').. anything wu did between 1993 and 1997 (and the first half of 1998) is worth buying twice haha that includes the following: Wu-Tang Clan Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993) Wu-Tang Forever (1997) Method Man Tical (1994) Ol' Dirty Bastard Return To The 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version (1995) Raekwon Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... (1995) GZA/Genius Liquid Swords (1995) Ghostface Killah Ironman (1996) Supreme Clientele (2000) Gravediggaz* 6 Feet Deep (US)/Niggamortis (UK) (1994) The Pick, The Sickle, and The Shovel (1997) Killarmy Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars (1997) Dirty Weaponry (1998) Fear, Love & War (2001) Sunz of Man The Last Shall Be First (1998) Killah Priest Heavy Mental (1998) Cappadonna The Pillage (1998) La The Darkman Heist of The Century (1998) Wu-Tang Killa Beez Present The Swarm (1998) RZA Ghost Dog: The Way of The Samurai Music From The Film (1999) Note: Not the US soundtrack, but the Japanese relase of the film score. Includes songs not featured in the film. ----------------------------------------------------------- this is a more explorative/experimental work from rza.. if u like a lot of experimental/triphop/sample-based electronic music u'll be able to appreciate this there seems to be a direct correllation between the amount of RZA'a involvement and the quality of the albums.. each member of the "wu-elements" production team do have their unique slant on the wu-tang sound that so distinguishes them *not so much a wu-tang group save for RZA's being a member of the group, but on that second album many rza executive produced (prince paul spearheaded the first, rza took over this and prince paul was pretty much absent)wu-tang producers do the tracks and outside-core members are fea |
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featured .. which is common on wu-tang releases.. so the 1997 album is kinda a wu-tang album |
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edan - primitive plus. this album is the nuts. |
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The second Gravediggaz album was weak IMHO. And the Killah Priest and Sunz of Man shit isn't up to scratch. But come on! Iron Flag is excellent and way better than the bloated Wu Tang Forever. Sorry, I just had to contradict you. |
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wu-tang forever encapsulates their sound the best.. albeit a bit overwrought.. the reason I didnt mention iron flag is because they had other producers on that.. and there was some pandering done by rza in terms of production.. it also had some guest appearences that probably werent necessary the second gravediggaz album is much weaker than the first, yes..but then again, as I said, w/ the change of the sound, it's much much different than the first.. so those who are really into wutang would be able to appreciate it more the sunz of man isnt up to scratch.. esp. compared to the rest of their work.. like their early stuff is amazing (there is an unofficial release of some other unreleased early stuff, not quite as good, but nice enough "the first testament") killah priest made a unique album w/ that one (all subsequent releases were very very very weak.. shitty production etc .. he severed all wu-ties) and I personally love it.. it's really spacey and it's relatively deep and studied in comparison to most hiphop (ESP. at the time of it's release, the badboy era) |
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I personally think that there's a glut of mediocre to poor Wu-related releases. I foolishly bought a few. But what are your thoughts on Nigga Please? I was surprised by how good it was as I'd heard the first ODB album was pants. But who produced Iron Flag? Mine is a copy. |
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woah woah woah - he said UNDERGROUND - not wu-tang friends 1) living legends - a HUGE collective of friends www.mystik-journeymen.com 2) shape shifters - which such talent as AWOL ONE, 2MEX, CIRCUS etc 3) ACEYALONE - if you dont own "a book of human language" you should be shot and set on fire 4) ATMOSPHERE - older and unreleased stuff if i were in my room there would be more - but im not in front of my records YAH WHOO |
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I don't know about underground, but I'm quite a fan of Jeru Tha Damaja (for cool basslines and intelligent raps), and Eric B & Rakim (a very cool rapper with one of the best DJ's from the old school (in my opinion)). Other than that, Cypress Hill (their first two albums) do it for me. |
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Albums not yet mentioned... Del Tha Funke Homosapien - I Wish My Brother George Was Here Black Moon - Enta Da Stage Defari - Focussed Daily Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent by Design Non-phixion - The Future is Now ... honestly that Defari album is amazing. It's the most underrated hip-hop album ever IMHO. |
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good choices Theo, all exellent albums, not sure they are very relaxing as I can get hype on some albums :P defari's focused daily was a good album, if you want chilled D/L the lowlands anthem , can't agree on Non-phixion being relaxing however. I'll add these gems: "smif-n-wessun - tha shinin' "= prolly the most relaxing underground album you can obtain. Also be sure to check "Talib Kweli&Hitek- reflection eternal" for some mellowed out tracks and some superior lyrics, no dumb shit. "O.G.C", or "Originoo Gunn Clappaz" with their release called "Da Storm" is excellenty chilled music. Fine productions, in fact almost anything from the "bootcamp click" is pretty much chilled and if the "beatminerz" are involved you're also pretty sure of excellent productions. Anything by "Gangstarr" will do just fine for relaxing, jazzy music and great lyrics by the one and only guru, premier lacing the beats and you can't go wrong. one last you could try would be "the roots" with the live album the "roots come alive" |
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goddamnit I left out all bootcamp releases.. yes that smif-n-wesson is great.. I love all that '94 DnD stuff and I cant believe I forgot jeru the damaja's "wrath of the math" .. wall-to-wall dj premier production .. mmm mmm mmm and by the way, a good amount of the wu-tang I mentioned IS underground |
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Is underground a good thing or something? What's so wrong with being overgound? Is a hip-hop record only good because it's made by crack-heads and it only sells 12 copies? Wu-tang forever went straight into to No.1 album chart in the UK with a bullet. I'd say that was quite commercial. Commercial does not equal shit. In my opinion the most important hip-hop albums are Yo Bum rush the show, It takes a nation of millions and Fear of a black Planet. Public Enemy wanted to be commercial. They wanted their message to be heard by as many people as possible. What's wrong with that? |
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I highly recomend Recyclone - Numbers. |
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Im not into "ganster rap". And now a days most mainstream rap and hip hop is "ganster rap". There's a lot of really good "underground" hip hop that isn't ganster crap. That's why I usually prefer the underground shit. |
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chart position doesnt' matter. there is nothing commercial-sounding about it |
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hey baby |
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Everything about the wu-tang clan stinks of commercialism. From the Wu-tang computer game to the wu-tang desert boots, to the wu-tang t-shirts, to the wu-tang pendants, to the wu-tang parkas etc, etc, fucking etc. They would put their name to any fucking product in the world just to make a fast buck. Wu-tang are THE most commercial fucking hip-hop band EVER! No fucking debate. Don't think for a moment that you choose your music. It chooses you. |
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What mainstream hip-hop artists aren't commercial??? |
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define commercial and i'll answer that |
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Selling themselves for things other then their music. Or using their music to sell products that have nothing to do with their art. |
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perths own clandestine play anzac day :) |
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grandmaster flash erik b & rakim the beatnigs |
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yo.. I'm not talking about the backlash of that album's success. all that shit came after. I quickly abandoned all things wu after all things W-stamped and/or "Executive Produce[d by:] The RZA" came first and quality control came fifth.. all that commerce has nothing to do w/ what went into making that album and all previous efforts |
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extremely mainstream emcees who are typically (though not entirely) non-commercial: eminem outkast nas tupac (R.I.P.) big pun (R.I.P.) gang starr the lox all of the above have never done anything but what the hell they wanna do. as far as i know, none of them have have done product endorsements. some of them have even acted in movies (notably nas, pac, and eminem) but so has elvis costello, henry rollins, joe strummer (R.I.P.) and countless other "rockers" who we all respect. say what you want about their music, the artists on the above list have achieved remarkable success with no pandering involved. i'd also like to note that some of the underground rappers are far guiltier of commercialism than those i just mentioned. look at Jurassic 5's desperate attempts at cashing in on "urban" clothing lines, or even more grimmace-worthy, their shucking and jiving minstrelism revival photo shoots for white/alternative rock magazines. that's just one example; plenty of "underground" rappers are more than eager to endorse clothes, sodas, etc., or to make songs of no value that aim at the mainstream charts (royce da 5'9"'s song with willa ford and his original version of rock city come to mind). |
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and if anyone wants to bring up that the lox were on bad boy for a while, they only signed that contract cos bad boy used to be a good label (biggie, craig mack). they signed before biggie died and bad boy went hip-pop. |
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Im sure there's commercial artists in any catergory of music. I just find most underground hip-hop not as bad. |
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