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Exactly! When 3000 people died in the wtc-crash the world changed... and now that thousand's of people have died in the war we're just supposed to overlook that little fact. I do not think anyone on this board has ever been pro-saddam. There's just alot of people who think starting a war (which mostly just hurts innocent people) was the right way to deal with him. It's like dealing with a broken bone by amputating the entire leg. |
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LOL :) promo: you are funny |
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Ever heard the phrase 'Evil thrives when good men do nothing'? Very simple concept to understand. The sooner people on this Board accept that we did the right thing and stop blaming the States and UK, then the sooner we can all move on. People on this board are constantly looking to picks holes with their loony conspiracy theory rot - grow the fuck up. If you wish to ever be taken seriously in society, then superstitious crud like that has to be dropped. |
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"then the sooner we can all move on" Well who started this topic?!? I wouldn't have said anything if it wasn't for this topic :-p |
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Dear promo, I wonder how much background info on this war you have seen/read. Maybe you should check bbc news and other channels to do some reading or listening or whatever. I'm gonna say no more. It's useless. Go fight wars like in medieval times. That's good. Go on that crusade. 'Axis of evil'; now that's a sophisticated way of stating things. And it is a "good" deed to fight war. Good for your economy, good for your oil, good for your weapon industry, good so that you can play boss in this world, ... Fuck! |
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this thread should be closed it's of no use discussing the war with someone who probably based his arguments on what he saw on bbc and cnn (which is obviously far from objective) |
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ok if someone kills a member of your family and it enrages you to the point you become insane - your telling me you would want to resolve it peacefully? i dont thing being anti war is pro saddam, but not getting rid of him allows him to continue, so you may as well be pro saddam i dont have all the answers, never will, but i dont see how we could rationalize with an irrational man such as saddam i think we did (in some ways) show him that we mean business read about what he has does to civilians - good lord - its worse than the nazis |
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at least someone has the balls to say that we are doing some good (coming from a country (like the states) that fucks up so much) |
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I can follow your arguments, but I just wonder why Bush just recenlty felt like starting this war? It's not that Saddam has become more cruel recently. Why only against Saddam, as there are loads of other cruel dictators. The real reasons for this war lie elsewhere, which is why I can not support this. |
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US didnt start this war to get rid of saddam... someone had to take him down but definitely not with war-inspectors were doing good job apperantly so why not continue the inspections? |
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Promo... I'll try to refrain from being offensive, although some of the things you have written here have made me feel physically sick. Do you think that Mr Blair, Mr Bush, Mr Rumsfeld, Mr Powell... or any of the people that govern our Great countries, are beyond fault, and so intelligent that to question them is fundamentally stupid? My feelings are that many of those in the US administration (at least) are of questionable intellect for people with that much responsibility, and therefore it is my democratic duty to question their actions (at least those of MY government). In questioning them I have consistently recieved less than satisfactory answers, which has resulted in my anger at what has been done in Iraq. I'm glad Saddam has gone, but that doesn't mean I agree with the way it has been done, and I feel sick when I hear people saying how great the US and UK are... what... for killing THOUSANDS of people innocent and guilty. As far as I know, cluster bombs aren't even smart enough to recognise children from adults, let alone innocent from guilty. Am I safer now than I was 6 weeks ago? Probably not, and I certainly don't feel safer. Are the people of Iraq less hungry/thirsty now than they were 6 weeks ago. No. As far as I can see, there is little to be happy about. (Other than the small number of 'coalition' casualties.) |
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yeah this war is about oil and JR settling daddies fights its all about bullshit - but there is a bit of naive hope in me that after this war the oil property and money will handed over to the people and they can rebuild whatever fair govt. they see as fit but again im naive and wishful in my thinking the world is a scary place and george bush is a retard |
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Morgoth, Don't give me this CNN / BBC bullshit. Get a fucking life you nobody loser. In life you have to make decisions and not dither around when a situation is getting worse all the time. I'm not interested in CNN or the BBC or whatever their stinking views are, so quit that crap NOW - honestly what a silly naive perception of things. I saw what needed to be done before even September 11 and its something that needs to be done elsewhere too. You're selfish; that’s the nub of it and you just don't realise it. You're pathetic, utterly pathetic. |
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i wonder what you will think of this when US attacks iran... |
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Ever heard of '2 wrongs don't make a right' 'evil begets evil' 'War is a series of catastrophes that results in a victory' ... and a million other irrelivant sayings... whats your point? |
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i wonder why people think that because they read underground news that it isnt full of ideals and propaganda anti-war propaganda is just as strong and prevelant as pro-war think for yourself |
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Promo... resorting to nonsense insults is the sign of a person that is losing an argument. |
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"2 wrongs don't make a right" yeah but they damn sure make it even (not in this case, but its fun to say in general, like when you take a dump on the guys face who woke you up one night screaming in a drunken dance) |
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Hey titmilk. you have a severe complex, coming onto a message board ranting your extremist wank. What's the matter, your girlfriend leave you? Or maybe you're a repressed homosexual. I think a pyschiatist is in order for you old chap. Or a rent boy...Now stop writing your wank and fuck off ya tube |
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saying "you watch CNN and BBC and believe your dumb" - is a cliched out of date dumb kid insult get a clue i watch CNN on mute, for the pictures |
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haha - the innevitable homo-insult people are this board are NOT creative with insults |
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That's a polite way of saying things. I was hoping we could continue discussing things in an adult manner, without insults. But if that's you're way of discussing things, I feel sorry for you. And maybe if the US had never interferred in other parts of the world, 11 september would not be remembered as a horrible day? The unjustifyable behaviour of the terrorists is a reaction to the US behaviour of the past. And If you see what's to be done? Tell me, I'm curious! Maybe we should build a rocket shield against rockets that were never even fired at us. |
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I only meant that CNN does not really give you much background information. |
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"i watch CNN on mute, for the pictures" how is this any better? |
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LuckyPsycho, "Promo... resorting to nonsense insults is the sign of a person that is losing an argument." Er no I don't think so. Lol. The argument was always a winner. In life either you choose to be a winner or a loser - so whats it gonna be? |
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I think its important to watch and read as many different views as possible. That way it is easier to understand the views of others... even (potential) psychos like Promo! |
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i was kidding i dont watch CNN - haha the day the war started i refused to watch "the soap opera" - war well the taliban used the CIA training we gave them to defeat the RUSSIANS against us - se we wanted communism out of afghanistan so badly we gave them weapons, training, and white women so they would do what we thought was a good idea - 8 or so years later they flung shit back in our faces - WOOPS the US govt is the devil - i know this - we interfere with everybody's shit way too much - we're like a fat kid at a cake contest who's told not to touch anything - dirty shit all over our hands |
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mc_303_beatz, I blew you out of the sky yesterday. Have you come back for seconds? Lol. |
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true - read and watch non-stop - thats how you form opinions |
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Err... yes it is the sign of person losing an argument. However, I accept that you may not have realised that, as you seem to have forgotten what you are arguing about. anyway... Do you feel safer now than you did 6 weeks ago? why? |
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blew me out of the sky? remind me how did you do that? with your biting wit? yawn |
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and you clearly choosed to be a loser |
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*xltronic mb wind up of the year* |
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no i dont - i never acknowledged the "terror alert orange" or whatever - mainly because i live in the middle of nowhere, where dropping a bomb would do nothing upon nothing (not even kill people) if im gonna die im gonna die - if i die cause my govt is full of ass clowns, that sucks, but i certainly wont let someone elses actions change the course of my life - my gfriend was in europe when the war started and didnt receive any static - largely due to the fact europeans are usually more polite and nicer than pigheaded americans its a shame that people from france could come over here and get treated poorly because they didnt join us in war - they gave us the statue of liberty for fucks sake this non-tolerance of peoples right to feel how they want is driving me nuts - fucking dumb americans (sorry that ended off subject) |
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no i dont - i never acknowledged the "terror alert orange" or whatever - mainly because i live in the middle of nowhere, where dropping a bomb would do nothing upon nothing (not even kill people) if im gonna die im gonna die - if i die cause my govt is full of ass clowns, that sucks, but i certainly wont let someone elses actions change the course of my life - my gfriend was in europe when the war started and didnt receive any static - largely due to the fact europeans are usually more polite and nicer than pigheaded americans its a shame that people from france could come over here and get treated poorly because they didnt join us in war - they gave us the statue of liberty for fucks sake this non-tolerance of peoples right to feel how they want is driving me nuts - fucking dumb americans (sorry that ended off subject) |
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mc_303_beatz, Yes I think you're learning. Lol. |
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That's just 1 example of why I am against this. Every war in the past has had severe consequences in the present. Action - Reaction. |
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good point - and no war is good but still - how to help people who cant help themselves - its always an impossible thing to figure out |
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ignore him. let him talk to himself. |
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LuckyPsycho, We won the argument. I think you're failing to get to grips with that fact. But you're lovely with it. Lol. |
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Loogie, Isn't that what you've been doing for the last 30 years? |
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Well, It's not my intention to dig up some old story here, but if the UN would not have started economically boycotting Iraq, but instead would have given them food and medical supplies, helping them rebuild their country after several destructive wars (against Iran, and of the first gulf war), the population would at least have had food and health care, where as now they suffered from their regime and from shortage of stuff. It might not have been all good, but it would have prevented some suffering. How they would have had to deal with Saddam is a different story, I do not know. I only know that the first gulf war ended sooner, so that Saddam's army wasn't too week to deal with the Kurds an Shjiets (or however you have to write that). He was then kept in power as a stabilizing factor against the more fundamentalist Iran. |
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probably they (UN, all the countries involved actually) should support some iraqi politicians (who has some support by iraqi people) and to send saddam on some tribunal... something alike milosevis i guess... |
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Morgoth, Yeah thats a great one. You really are a genius; old Saddam would have armed himself to the teeth; he would have had the latest tanks and weapons and France would have supplied them too. Dealing with Iraq then would have been a much harder task. |
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Erm, if you only supply them with food, and medicin? Comparable to the 'Oil for food' thing, but then on a larger scale? I'm purely talking about humanitarian aid, which would have to be controled by the UN, so that those really in need would get it. Disarming would still be somehting Saddam would have had to do. |
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well,the u.s armed saddam....as they did with laden and co....funny really.....i suppose they see that as a mistake...LOL |
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Morgoth, Sure. |
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hobbes, Their intentions would have been right at the time. The US thought they could control Saddam when he came into power originally. They got it wrong so they're dealing with it now - whats the big deal? |
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"Sure" Don't you know what to say or is it something else? I'm curious. |
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perhaps people daying for that is a big deal? |
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