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They gave money so we could buy material in the US. It was an investment in the US economy, just as this war has been. |
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Morgoth, Its their money - don't you get it? I think you're a bit slow. Lol. |
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Their money - your oil? |
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fuck off with this war talk we ve been through this loads of times and mostly all threads ended up in wars between people |
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Don't mean this as a war between people, just sharing opinions. |
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If you didnt protest against SADDAM in 1988 you need to STFU ! Saddam was a brutal thug 15 years ago when the US supported and armed him. If they let it slide then they can't use morality as their main justification now. It's just being used as cheap emotional marketing for a decision based on something else. This is the real reason for the war : http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/030409/iraq_oil_cheney_2.html |
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Sorry, I was only 7 at the time. |
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now it'll be interesting what will happen with the Turkey - Kurdistan conflict and the Kurd - Sunni - Shiite conflict. Iraq is now in 3 pieces. It seems highly unstable to me now that they've lost a common enemy. Another war is very likely as soon as the foreign troops move out. It's the same with Afganistan where the Taliban is making a comeback. It's all very temporary. |
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see the way it all seems to me is that america isn't as dumb as they play right? i mean they know what iraq is capable of because america is iraq's pusher...so instead of waiting for the day that iraq attacks america unexpectedly, they go into iraq the way they did and try to divide iraq and the surrounding countries even more the way they did. and now it seems america has succeeded in making sure that the middle-east keeps on wiping itself out, u know keeping the 2 boxers fighting each other to death instead of ganging up on the man behind the show, and the referee is like un, powerless, meaningless mostly. |
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well, the US made 20 billion dollars out of the Gulf War.. that could help.. |
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only completely ignorant fools believe that Bush was able to spend 70 billion dollars just to liberate "the poor and surpressed"* people of Iraq (on a little sidenote: the world spends about 50 billion dollars a year to help all of the third world countries). If, however you DO believe this; Please, check for any suspicious looking devices or connections to your tapwatersupply, it may have been tampered with. Also, if you have tendencies to wank off on "guns&ammo" magazines and bleat about wildly to people around the world how american freedom should be applied by force to any country of their choosing, you are beyond help. THEY OWN YOU! Some kind of sick sarcastic joke to claim to be the liberators of the very country they helped put into this iron-fisted regime themselves. * add here some good-old American sentimentalism. |
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as per usual I might add... |
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maybe I should start reading threads before posting... |
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X-tomatic, The war is over. Go to bed and sleep on it .... relieve your little troubled mind. Lol. |
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the bottom line is the question of is the U.S. willing to live with the fact that it is now looked upon as an empire by most of the world. an empire that answers to no one, disobeys international law, and fights purely for its own motivation. i'm not sure alot of pro war people want to face the bigger picture of this. also, just because you see a couple iraqis cheering on fox news doesn't exactly mean that all of them are happy with the way this was handled. |
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fuck war! fuck those who kill for money |
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zaphod, I think it was handled pretty well. It was a pretty thorough job all round. Sure there were some mistakes. I think the Americans didn't need to shoot (to kill) those fleeing in vehicles. They only needed to take out the wheels or shoot those people in the arms or whatever to neutralise a possible threat. It is a part of American culture, the shoot now and ask questions later element which is too hasty in my view and needs to be rooted out - its not really disciplined behaviour, just nervousness basically. Arming Police is a mistake because invarable they become a law unto themselves and at best they only need to disarm someone; this in the modern age can be achieved fairly easily by stun guns etc. The Police are far too keen to just blow someone away. We've seen the same over here that once the Police become armed they just start killing innocents unnecessarily. Its overkill in my view. |
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nacmat, Another powerful insight eh. Lol. |
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promo, im not gonna raise any arguments here, but you have GOT to stop with the "Lol" shit. its driving me fuckin crazy. |
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Tricky. |
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i still find the whole thing too confusing to take a firm stance |
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it's just funny that bush is the defender of democracy in the world when he didn't even win the elections in the U.S fairly. promo: you're an idiot if you think this war was about 'liberation'. No, let me change that: you're just an idiot. |
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wait so because they took his statue down somehow it means the people are free? right.... |
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well one thing's for sure; i'm concerned about who's gonna replace Saddam. |
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the war is NOT over. there are still like 11 Iraqi military divisions in the north of Iraq - they are still fighting, people are still dying. |
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i can only apologise to everyone here for the shite spouted by a certain person here from the uk. please don't assume that all british are unable to think for themselves. |
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there's really no need for you to apologize for such totally ignorant people. In fact I would like to say I'm really sorry for him. |
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hmm check the other fun promo thread about drug users all being shits or some such nonsense... :( |
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don't mind it that much some people mainly post to provoke or get reaction instead of really trying to discuss something i don't think he's being serious in this thread otherwise i don't think he really knows what's going on watching CNN doesn't provide you an objective view in this case, some people don't see that |
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celloncllone is spot on and by the way thats a disturbing avatar |
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the war isn't over aqt all - there are still many problwems and it's easy at the moent to throw accusations of empirialisim at the us - especially as a large number of the contracts for rebuilding iraq have gone to US companies that have eithier given funds to the republicans or various members of the US government have interests in. there are still massive problems and unfortunatley therre will be for the rest of our lives. also they haven't found any real weapons of mass destruction of any significance |
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i hate it when i post before realizing that theres more than 1 page |
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peace |
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I'm not really concrete in my opinions about war... but I must admit that it gets on my nerves when people keep preaching about peace and give no other reasonable alternative to war... I do believe that sometimes you just have to do something, take some action... sure Gandhi preached about peace and non-violent protest and all that, and I admire him for his life, but it did take his whole life to reach his goal!!! Sometimes you need to act quickly... |
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Ghandi showed us all how to live life properly, but it took too much courage, too much patience and too much respect to other human beings to follow his example. Fear is at the basis of every armed conflict. And they talk about courage.... |
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something like World War II... you can't just sit back and preach about peace to a mad man like Hitler, it ain't gonna work... you need to take action and stop their ass... |
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action=reaction |
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i think im going to wait till the war is over before a form an opinion. |
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X-tomatic, Boo hoo. Are you gonna cry? Ah poor X-tomatic he's all upset because some nasty Iraqi soldiers and some innocent Iraqi people have died. X-tomatic prefers that loads of people are killed and tortured by Saddam that is his solution. Its a great solution, full of resolve and peace to the world. X-tomatic what a kind and generous spirit you are. People of the World lets rejoice not in the freedom of the Iraqi people from persecution and torture but instead lets give a hand to our main man X-tomatic because he does care so much that his caring is oppression, torture and murder. Lol. |
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Loogie, Think for themselves? Did you just discover a basic function then? Lol. |
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TonyFish, Why, are you completely fucked up on drugs right now? Is that why you regard the 'thread about drug users all being shits' as nonsense? Lol. |
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As if the torturing practices of Saddam really were the US main reason to start war... The so-called real reason are the weapons of mass destruction which are still not used by Iraq, nor found by the coalition. I'm not saying that it's not good that Saddam's regime is gone, but I will wait and see for what's to come, and I do fear for the future of the Iraqi people. |
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I bet Steven Spielberg's fingers were just itching to make a movie about it when he saw that statue being taken down on CNN. Probably starring (someone like) Tom Hanks, an emotional and heroic story about the liberation of the poor iraqi people. The statue-scene will be the highlight of the movie i'm sure. It's just so symbolic! They litterally take down Saddam, imagine that! |
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surrounded by lefties, Oh imagine that. Lol. |
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I'm not a leftie, commie, or anarchist. And I find no evidence that others are in this discussion. Talking about lefties and righties is looking at things in a black and white manner, which is dangerous. There's a lot gray tints between them. |
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Morgoth, Thats good. You're not a 'leftie, commie or anarchist'. Excellent. Great stuff. |
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"keep in mind if your anti-war your supporting a modern day hitler" not saying im pro or anti war - but an interesting comment all the same |
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congratulations, promo. you just made your very first post NOT ending in lol. |
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Being anti-war does not necessarily mean that your pro-Saddam. Being anti-war (for me, can' t speak for others) means that I do not believe that war is the solution to this kind of problems. I believe there had to be other solutions to this. I do not believe that "fighting violence with violence" is the correct way to do so, because following this rational, you're only the cause of future violence (more terrorist attacks probably, hope not of course). |
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close this topic |
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