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What's wrong with these vegetarians anyways? They say you are what you eat, so why not eat some meat? You wanna end up as some kinda plant man?? A mate and I forced a vego to eat some raw steak once, ahaha :) happy days...oh yeah, no offense to all you vegoes out there ;) |
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hehe... you're evil ;) I'm a rawfoodist. |
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its a fashion thing... im sure of it. |
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Good point Teapot, it's all the trendy trendoids and hippies who are vegoes anyways...they like to accessorize with their food as well as with their decor and clothing. Bet they're into fung-shui as well... ;) |
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i work at a bar / cafe in the rough part of town here... mainly populated by hippies. and Tofu is a huge seller... so many vegos... so many hippies... its all about doing the opposite of everyone else and being a "unique" "individual"... |
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I do it (raw) for health reasons... but I guess there are a lot of people who do it for other reasons. |
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no offense to people who are genuine vegetarians... im talking about the other 90% of them. |
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Why the hell would you eat that shit to be different? God damn pretentious weirdos |
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God put sheep on the earth for 3 reasons: 1. Wool 2. To Eat the bastards! 3. *whistles* I forget the third one |
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what are you doing up at this time of night? |
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I have a cold :( I can never sleep when I have one, whatchu doing up so late? |
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just finished work... Iczer one I/O played tonight where i work... ever heard of em? |
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Nup :P anways, I mihgt try get some shleep, im buggered as, night night |
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soya latte |
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whatever, for some vegetarianism can be a trend, but I haven't eaten meat nor fish for about 6 years, and since I started it's getting a lot easier to find vegetarian stuff everywhere. If you wanna find the reasons to stop eating meat, just try to find websites from vegetarians organisations, or maybe the american dietist association, and even the PCRM, physicians commitee for responsible medicin. |
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there are bouth ethical/moral reasons and health reasons... It's just that most people don't think about it / know it... and some other reasons... |
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A mate and I forced a vego to eat some raw steak once, ahaha :) > ........ *remembers to avoid AE_King if ever sees him in real life* |
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all vegetarians i know also smoke... what's with that? |
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I've done a lot of reading about vegetarianism and veganism, and I know of tons of reasons, like personal health, ethical reasons, environmental reasons and so forth... Most of these are explained briefly on the sort of sites I mentioned. More interested readers should check out 'Diet for a new america' (there is a revised version, with a different title that I don't know about). An interesting site is: |
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i decided to become vegetarian when i was a child, like 6 or 7 years old - because i had plush animals and found animals so cute because of that i wouldn't eat animals anymore! since then, i'm a vegetarian ' _ - not for the same reasons as before (though i still have my plushes in my bed), but now meat just disgusts me. and i don't eat fish either... only shrimps from time to time, for some unknown reason. you can't say i followed a fashion, when choosing so young! : ) |
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Loogie > i don't smoke... |
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good choice. |
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but none of you vegans have considered rawfoodism? |
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i am the opposite to rawfoodism. i will eat anything as long as it is cooked. except fruit. and pussy. |
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I considered it once, but my girlfriend is still a meat eater, so it would be too hard to cook separately. Most of the time she'll eat vegetarian just as I do by the way. And also I'm from a real "meat family", every evening we ate (I no longer live home) hot soup en cooked potatoes or so. It's hard to give up such habits, maybe it's a weak excuse but... Maybe in time I'll get to real raw foodism, which is likely to be the healthiest way of veganism as nothing gets destroyed during cooking of food, and also the most environmental. Time will tell. |
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hehe... I'm not going to start a discussion here... I'm just wondering, what's the idea behind your diet? You think food is improved when cooked? |
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well.. I'd advice you to start as soon as possible.. It'll be a hard process anyway... Not so hard since you've been vegetarian or vegan for several years but it takes a lot of time to get raw. I started out last autumn (I'm not 100% yet, still do alcohol, eventough it's not so healthy), before that I was eating a "standard" diet. |
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.... when ignorance was bliss .... |
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i'm not into the eat no meat biznis, but it's a natural reaction to becoming conscious of ones health in the mist of the diseased western tendancy to eat such large portions of animal flesh. everybody has a unique balance that they should figure out, but nobody needs such large portions of meat as are commonly eaten and nobody needs meat every day of their life. |
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...except for bacon boy! that guy needs pork and beef at least three times a day, in large quantities. |
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hehe... but true. One shouldn't eat bad food. you'll regret it later in your life. Nothing passes you without making an impact. |
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what's the theory behind rawfoodism? |
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gimme meat, and LOTS of it. yum num nummy dum YUM!!!!!!! |
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it is an addiction... like i said, bacon boy cannot survive without... sad story. |
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chicken, beef, pork, ham, bologna, sausage, deer, veal, bacon, hamburger..... it's ALLLLLL good!!!!! |
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i'd swear you were the boy himself |
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The idea behind raw foodism is that cooking destroys nutritious parts of your food. For instance the building blocks of proteins are 20 amino acids. I believe 8 of these are essential, your body can't create them. But Amino acids aren't stable above 46° celsius, meaning that most of them get destroyed while cooking. This decreases the nutrional value of cooked food. Same goes for vitamins and so on. There's of course a lot more to it, so get to google or so and find some sites, there's plenty of info out there. |
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well, i like plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables, but i wouldn't want to go straight raw. taste and texture, the pleasure of eating, are as important to me as nutrition. also, i was under the impression that we don't synthesize any amino acids and are completely dependent on plants and fungi for them? fungi, btw, contain all the amino acids humans need, and some others that we don't need. |
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I'm not a real biochemist-man, but I know that there are about 12 amino acids that we do synthesize, some starting from other amino acids, others we can synthesize completely. And most plants actually also contain the Amino acids we need, not necessarily in the right proportions maybe. And concerning fungi, the exact amino acids they do or don't have probably depends on which one you're talking about, but e.g. mushrooms are a good source for protein. Key issue here is to eat enough protein and you won't get into trouble. |
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Shit, I better stop cooking my vitamins. |
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ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up. certainly every plant and fungus contains a unique set of ratios between each nutrient or amino acid. but i am certain that a large number of the edible mushrooms contain every amino acid that we need. or at least, some scientific reporting that was passed to me via uni that i trusted was quite certain. but i'm sure there are some fungi that are missing some amino acids we need. the main point was that all of the rare amino acids that we are most commonly deficient in are found in edible mushrooms. for this reason vegetarians were said to be benefit greatly from mushrooms. |
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a lot of edible mushrooms need to be cooked though, as they contain toxins that are destroyed when cooked. |
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There is no general rule that can say that "this type of plant", or this "family of fungi" will contain all the necessary. Each and every one should be investigated seperately. For plants: Beans are a good source for amino acids, and there are others. There are plenty of good books on vegetarian diets, i advise you to check one, or just check the inet as there will be reliable info on there too. The trick is, in any diet whether vegi or not, to eat a large variety of anything. |
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true. Also you forgot to mention the enzymes!!! They are a huge part of it all to. But there's a proteinmyth some people still believe in... seriously protein is important. But they are still lowering the amount (daily recommended intake) from time to time so I think it will keep dropping til it reaches the true level som day. Lemme go look for a URL or something with some info... |
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Well, as said I'm not a real biochemist ;-). I thought that enzymes got destroyed by entering our stomach which is really acid? Could be wrong of course. And that proteinmith still stands strong. A good place to start doing research considering health and vegetarian diets might be: |
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Darn, something went wrong with the link, so here goes: or: http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/index.html |
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cool... well you'd better look up what enzymes are... they are way important. If you don't get your enzymes in the food your body has to create enzymes. Enzymes is what hm.. not sure how to explain. breaks down the food. |
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i know this. you can't make generalizations and not expect there to be exceptions, but i'm refering to biochemical studies, not some simple diet rule. a large number of common edible mushrooms were found to contain every single amino acid that our DNA codes for. this is laboratory report i'm refering to. i could be wrong though, cause i got it second hand from a professor and one can't exactly place all their bets on something that a professor said. |
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screw enzymes and all that rubbish, i wants the sweet meats |
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Rawfoodism is soo much more than just a diet. Your whole body and mind gets improved... You eat pure food (that your body was designed to eat - you're not designed to cook food...) and you become purer =) |
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