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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 00:37 [#00610748]
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just really incompetent?
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corticalstim
from Canada on 2003-03-23 00:42 [#00610750]
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STFU ABOUT THE WAR FOR A FUCKGIN SECOND! JUST PUT ALL YOUR NEW INFO IN YOUR PREVIOUS THREAD IF YOU HAVE TO!!!
kthnxiluvubuhbye
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-03-23 00:50 [#00610757]
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Yes, just say the word and you'll be given access!
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Ctrl Alt Del
from Ft. Worth (United States) on 2003-03-23 00:53 [#00610760]
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really, this is worse than fucking spam threads.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 04:15 [#00610939]
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all Saddam has to do is to just sit out the war and the Coalition Forces will just kill each other if the war lasts long enough..using
Missiles
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Grenades
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:25 [#00610967]
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i doubt they are incompetent, stop posting stuff like this. Its disrespectful
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:26 [#00610971]
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these people are dead and all you can say is they are incompetent, if i was moderator i'd temp ban you.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 04:42 [#00610989]
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these people were on their way to kill people...
but you missed the point..expect that from pro war thickos..
why are all of these planes accidentally crashing and falling think about it??
1.They are being shot down bu Iraqis and the US and UK are not admitting to it
2.UK Pilots are really incompetent??
you decide..I actually go for number 1
and in the meanwhile regarding temp bans fuck off ya fucking newbie
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:44 [#00610992]
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Option 3: shit happens.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 04:45 [#00610994]
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that's just too much shit happening in a short time isnt it??
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:48 [#00611000]
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A few unfortunate events. That's it.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:51 [#00611004]
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i've been a member just as long as, not that it matters.
how about telling all those Iraqi people who are now free of Saddam's regime and are celebrating in the streets that you don't want us to help them? Could you do that?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:54 [#00611008]
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is that you in your avatar flea?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 04:55 [#00611009]
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how about you telling the dead and the injured??
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:57 [#00611013]
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i knew you would avoid the question
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:58 [#00611016]
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anyway i'm going, can't have a sensible conversation with flea's.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 04:58 [#00611017]
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civilian casualties
Iraqi Shia Opposition
Military
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 04:59 [#00611018]
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oh and accidents happen, incompetent or not... and it was dark at the time.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 05:05 [#00611038]
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someone teach this moron how to click on links please...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-03-23 05:07 [#00611044]
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GUys please, if you're going to disagree, at least keep it civil. If it's going to degenreate into an out and out slaging match, please do it on SS/MSN etc. Thank you.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 05:07 [#00611045]
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Links, woo, now what's your point?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 05:10 [#00611057]
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Followup to pantalaimon: #00611018 this is a helpful function to inform you who the reply was intended for....
okay?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 05:12 [#00611059]
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click on the links.. all the answers are there...
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 05:14 [#00611067]
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wow really?? i didn't know that! considering it was just the two of us talking, i thought it was pretty simple to realise who i was talking to. Maybe it's not simple enough for a flea.
sorry Ceri, this is my last post in this thread
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 05:19 [#00611074]
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jeezush..
I said.. flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-24 00:05 [#00611038]
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someone teach this moron how to click on links please...
then danbrusca said danbrusca from Holby on 2003-03-24 00:07 [#00611045] Points: 1121 Status: Addict | Followup to flea: #00611038 Links, woo, now what's your point?
then I said flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2003-03-24 00:10 [#00611057]
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Followup to pantalaimon: #00611018 this is a helpful function to inform you who the reply was intended for....
okay?
okay..
jeez take some time to learn how to use this board guys
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 06:35 [#00611214]
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Surely you can't expect other people to comment just because of that?
You gave some links, but made no point.
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 06:50 [#00611233]
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The point he was making was in the link...what more does he need to say
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-03-23 07:02 [#00611249]
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At the end of the day this will be a war with no casualties on the american side, just alot of mysterious accidents.
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 07:04 [#00611252]
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ok for fleas sake to spell it out for you...that for a few people that you see cheering in scenes that dont look unlike those staged in Wag The Dog
LINK 1. there's 250 actually that have been reported including a lot of children lying in the hospitals in Baghdad...with their parents crying and asking the newsmen what is US's humanity?
LINK 2: links to a story about the Iraqi Shia opposition party based in Iran who have suffered quite a few of the atrocities at the hand of Saddam and yet they are opposed to the war and especially foreign forces occupying their land
LINK 3: links to a story relating to the failure of the US intelligence community to convince Iraqi miltary officials to surrender and oppose Saddam
I will add to this that as a foregone conclusion it was Dick Cheney who repeatedly claimed there would be singing and dancing to music in the streets and all I have seen is a handful of people stricken by sanctions from malnutrion who under close scrunitiy are asking where is the food, water, and medicine that you promised...
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 07:28 [#00611288]
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US control of the WAR news
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 07:28 [#00611292]
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LOL at your avatar
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-03-23 07:36 [#00611307]
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"Basically, the average American does not care if they are fed ropaganda. They are happy with it as long as the coverage is patriotic,"
I wish i could understand a word of what was being said on Al Jazeera :-/ The cablecompany has actually been so kind as to let us receive that channel... but sadly it doesn't come with subtitles. The images are pretty much the same as on cnn anyways, but it would have been really interesting to know what was being said :-/
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 07:47 [#00611320]
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I just go to the website and look at the pictures, in an assignment for a Training module at Uni I made a flash Battleship game but included a screen with a collage of Anti War sentiment about Iraq Palestine and Afghanistan using pictures of bombed out buildings, people in despair etc all sourced from Al Jazeera...a picture CAN say 1000 words and I got to make a statement which was well received by my classmates
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 07:57 [#00611331]
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1. Yes, there's civilians in hospital, this is entirely unexpected. These people may well ask where the US' humanity is, you can hardly blamed them when they're the inadvertant victims of military action. The fact remains though that there's no intention to injure civilians and the military have gone out of their way to make sure as few as possible are.
2. It's hardly a surprise that Shias based in Iran are opposing military action. There's still 206 Iraqi opposition groups who are.
3. It would have been nice if more senior Iraqi officers had surrendered so far, though I don't expect for one minute that General Franks was relying on it. I dare say the fact that Republican Guard officers have been despatched to the regular divisions has something to do with it.
4. The people will get their humanitarian aid soon enough. This process will be greatly aided when the mines in the waterway leading to Umm Qasr are cleared up.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-03-23 07:59 [#00611335]
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"pictures of bombed out buildings, people in despair etc"
Yes but cnn is also showing bombed out buildings and people in despair. It's the comment that determines the way you interpret images.
*looks at the al jazeera-site*
Altough i must admit there are some really disturbing images there that i haven't seen on cnn at all :-/ Maybe i should watch it on tv more often after all. I usually get frustrated after a couple of minutes because i don't understand it... i must try harder.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-03-23 08:03 [#00611344]
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"this is entirely unexpected."
you must be joking... hundreds of bombs so far, and they weren't expecting any victims to fall?!
"The fact remains though that there's no intention to injure civilians and the military have gone out of their way to make sure as few as possible are."
Yes, but this is exactly what all the protesters worldwide have been trying to warn president bush about, and also why they think war is not the right option... because no matter how hard you try to avoid it, it's always the innocent people that are hurt the most by a war.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:04 [#00611345]
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oops, -un ;)
I can almost see people seething....!
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:06 [#00611349]
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We can't see Al-Jazeera here in the UK unless we pay for it :(
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:08 [#00611352]
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The protesters refuse to acknowledge people would keep dying under Saddam's regime.
Military action or no military action, innocent Iraqis are going to get killed. At least this way offers some realistic hope that there will be an end to the death of innocents.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:14 [#00611357]
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i completely agree danbrusca, great avatar btw! who is it?
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-03-23 08:23 [#00611363]
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Ofcourse Saddam's regime must be ended, i don't think any of the protesters want to just leave iraq alone and let them work out their own problems.
But it's really only this one man they're after... why should the whole country have to suffer because of it? Surely there are other ways to get saddam.
They've even been able to interview the man! I mean... come on... with a more subtle approach they would have probably been able to catch him aswell. They could have at least tried before they started with the bombs :-/
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 08:31 [#00611377]
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Correction to my comment about Dick Cheney making the Iraqi dance remark...it was indeed actually Donald Rumsfield
so if the US/UK allies kill them that makes it ok just like you dismissed the civilian casualites in Baghdad...tell that to the girls parents whose daughter was sitting having breakfast in her home when a bomb exploded 15 metres from her window... and will never walk again I presume you think that that was a "mistake"
The end to the death of Iraqis was the peaceful disarmarnment of Iraq was quote "via the UN was achieveable in 3 months"...this way is resulting in a death for Iraqis not liberation...more Iraqis have been killed by the sanctions then by Saddam and secondly it has been the oppression of constant attacks and sanctions that has strengthened Saddams position to such a degree that now half the country has to be destroyed to dislodge him...why wasnt he removed after the first Gulf War. What did those hundreds of thousands killed in the bombing raids of Gulf War 1 die for?
Currently the US/UK ground troops are waiting outside the stragetic oil city of Basra while its being heavily bombed yet the news headlines last night told us repeatedly the city had been taken...and they wanted to keep the city intact. Right now 50 has been reported dead and 2000 injured in Basra...how chickenshit is that? Operation Iraqi Freedom indeed..
I see you use rhetoric as form of discussion to form your arugment...the bottom line here is the Iraqis dont want foreign troops in their country and neither do they want to be an American colony with all the oil syphoned out all they wanted by agreeing to the inspection process was a lifting of the sanctions
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 08:34 [#00611382]
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why are you bothering to reply on this thread didnt you want these topics closed and Flea banned for having an opinion..I think you were stirring this up
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:37 [#00611386]
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nope, just wanted to know who was in his avatar :)
i only said i'd temp ban him cos he was being disrespectful to the people who had just lost their lives by implying they were incompetent.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:38 [#00611388]
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<---- last post here
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:42 [#00611395]
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She's a Japanese dominatrix by the name of Ekko.
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 08:44 [#00611399]
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you are too thick to realise that he was being ironic...coalition media propoganda..now those highly trained people that lost their lives did not lose their lives in the battle but in stupid accidents..how is that respectful to them and their families...tell that to the angry father who cursed Bush for losing his son and then later retracted...and think why did he retract?
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-23 08:45 [#00611400]
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Do you not think they would have taken him out already by now if they could have done so?
It's clearly not just Saddam they're after anyway, there's a whole regime and WMD to get rid of.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-03-23 08:45 [#00611401]
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aww anotherr fucking warr rranting thrread frrom the one and only flea. WE KNOW WE ALL HAVE TV'S AND COMPUTERRS.
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-23 08:48 [#00611404]
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as far as I can so with your prowar stance that you only wish is to supress fleas views as they contain uncomfortable truths that have a point of view that bursts your media bubble enveloped existence
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