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well i'm being facetious when i bash white rappers... i mean, i'm one, and i think some of the best rappers out there right now are white. but there's truth in jokes. i think a lot of educated white hip-hop listeners aren't being exposed to some of the most gifted BLACK emcees. it's not that one race is inherently superior or inferior to the other (though it's obviously a genre invented by blacks, like every other genre outside of classical music), it's just that whites have such a natural advantage in getting exposure because of their skin color (it's a white man's world) and i feel compelled to try to equalize some of that by recommending mostly black emcees who are just as intelligent, funny, thoughtful, and creative as the white heroes (i almost made a "white power!!" joke when anticulture recommended def jux and anticon a moment ago). since most of you are liberals and obviously you like fierce beats, BUY (if you download it first, buy it later) dead prez's 2000 debut let's get free. (more info: ) the new common album (electric circus) would also be huge with you guys if you gave it a listen. |
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some mark b & blade stuff is ok. i guess they're completely unknown outside the UK |
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i dunno man, i don't like common that much. all though all i've heard is that song on the mtv where he loves a deaf girl... but i did like that song where he talks about hip hop as a girl. i'd have to say the problem with intelligent/clever black mc's, well, ANY intelligent mc is that america doesn't want that. they want violence and shit about ho's and what not. BLUNTZ AND FOTIEZ IS FO SHIZZY etc. creating thug america an such, where no one respects women. it's pretty disgusting. i've never been really keen on hip hop, but i'm definately more into it lately, since i've been exposed to more intelligent hip hop. |
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hummmmm hard question.....i'm gonna base it on the cd's i own and have heard the most..... several standouts for me deltron 3030 - deltron 3030 black on both sides - mos def aquemini - outkast there are several classics i'm in need of ordering.......i know i need to listen to more =0) b |
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yeah the deltron 3030 album is nice :) |
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it took me months to find it.......it's one of the albums you go out searching for and it's like finding lost treasure when you finally get it! *hates outta print albums* |
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Hode up, hode up...you rap dawg?? |
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I dispise all black music!!! |
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you judge an artist on one song? and do you judge the song on the music and lyrics or the video? you know better than this nigel.... you're right tho. most white hip-hop fans want some "nigger" shit. pretty sad. |
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i know man, but i don't have anything else to go on. plus the radio is a whore. except disco prom girl burn or what ever hehe. i know thats wrong. i know it. if i ever get around to sending a mix tape to you (but not untill i send those cds to thad) send me back something to enlighten me. i'm really digging el-p-fantastic damage right now. word! Open up your heart and let the rap shine in! |
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i'm not talkin about the bad niggaz, i'm just talkin about the good niggaz! |
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come on guys! let's "rap",brothers! |
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yea, but, like, didn't you read when i said the new common album (electric circus) would also be huge with you guys if you gave it a listen? i know you have access to mp3 downloading and online and in-person stores... it's a highly varied album, don't judge by one song. people need to hear that album, preferrably in its entirety. fantastic damage is a damn fantastic album for the ages.. great gritty techno style production and some interesting lyrics ("deep space 9mm", "stepfather factory"). but the production on common's new album by jay dee, ?uestlove, and james poyser is JUST as futuristic and mindfucking. i said what i said with the dread n-word because i feel--and there's ample psychological theory and literary evidence to support this--subconsciously, whites don't want to see blacks on the same (or higher) level of intelligence as whites, and they certainly don't want to acknowledge their problems (see "police state" on let's get free). that's why ja rule (come on, MURDER INC.?!) and nelly are so popular, and why us middle class whites listen to so many white rappers and trick ourselves into thinking they are the cream of the crop, and marginalize most hip-hop by what beats are the most slammin ("the dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum." -gza). no offense nigel. i do it too. we all do. and i'm not suggesting everyone get solemn and listen to radical hip-hop, but i think it's time some of us stop ignoring pertinent lyricists.. |
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heh, my thing about the good/bad niggaz was a quote from some mtv show, his dad was an older white guy who was trying to be a white rapper, his kid said that to him and told him it was wrong or something. didn't the neptunes do some work on the new common album too? my friend had the little booklet in the bathroom (for some reason) and i was looking through it. no offense taken, travis. i definately listen to tracks for the production for the most part, but like i said, i'm trying to be more open to hip-hop. |
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"Public enema" |
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yea the neptunes did 2 tracks: "come close" (the one you heard) and "i got a right ta". everything else was done by the soulquarians (?uestlove [the drummer of the roots], james poyser, and jay dee). when i say this album is mindblowing i'm not referring to the neptunes' production, as much as i love them. they turned in two great retro tracks: "come close" is an homage to classic a tribe called quest (especially "bonita applebum") and "i got a right ta" is basically hip-hop's version of the biker film easy rider, with common utilizing the old school flow of his friend sadat-x of brand nubian. everything the soulquarians did is futuristic psychedelic rock meets new age meets cutting edge hip-hop, with homages to classic rock on "jimi was a rockstar" (where common makes his singing debut with his wife/girlfriend erykah badu), 20s jazz on "i am music" (where common raps under the guise of music itself), and soul music on the final track. i'm not going to say "check out so-and-so" cos i think people should listen to the album straight through. and i know you were kidding about that nigga thing but i just wanted to make a point to everyone here who listens to hip-hop.. i'm glad you're giving it a chance |
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i don't think i'll be able to download it cause there aren't too many p2p things for mac that work well, but maybe i'll buy it. i've got 23 bucks i think, i was gonna head over to the 2nd hand shoppe after school today |
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De La Soul - De La Soul is Dead! |
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i ordered it for about $10 at bestbuy.com if that helps... the best buy store still probably has it on sale. show 'em your student ID to get an additional 5% off too. |
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hurrah! i've been listening to dialated peoples-the platform today. it's awesome, the dj is a fuckin monster |
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all this mention of the wu, and no note at all of Raeqwon - only built 4 cuban lynx? I thought that was one of their tightest releases. of course 36 chambers stands out the most because it was so very different from anything comming out at the time. and, I just skimmed lightly over the thread but, could I be mistaken in that there is no mention of A Tribe Called Quest?! both Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory are classic hip-hop albums. |
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titsworth, i understand, there are plenty of black rappers who don't get the exposure they deserve. it's not that i don't listen to black hip hoppers, it's just that my favorite albums happen to be white rappers. it might be cultural. i relate more to slug (it helps that he raps about my hometown in nearly ever song, no doubt) and doseone than i do to talib kweli and p diddy (only a joke, i know puff doesn't represent real hip hop:). even still, i think talib kweli is one of the more gifted emcees around. dead prez can border on racist in some of their lyrcis, but that's a serious funkin album. digable planets i'll have to second those classic tribe albums (what would be my penal cord if it wasn't brown?!). roygbivecore, i'm too fond of god loves ugly... have you heard the previous two? overcast is what got me back into hip hop after having lost it. it's a classic. lucy ford is imo slugs best work. it had to grow on me. i actually thought it was mediocre and inferior to overcast when i first heard but i was delusional. |
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tits, do n.e.r.d. have a second labum out, or is one coming? are they also the neptunes, or am i confused? |
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I'm getting in kinda late on this thread, but here's my votes: Beastie Boys: License To Ill Boogie Down Productions: Edutainment Public Enemy: Fear Of A Black Planet Tribe Called Quest: The Low End Theory EPMD: Strictly Business GZA: Liquid Swords Latyrx: Latyrx DJ Shadow: Introducing Lootpack: Soundpieces - The Antidote Quasimoto: The Unseen MF Doom: Operation Doomsday |
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one of my personal favorites: swollen members - balance |
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cuban lynx is THE best WU solo album no doubt. Glaciers of ice being my personal fave on that one. Lyrically, Killarmy always holds my attention with every rhyme they drop, each having a voice and choice of words combined with perfect timing wether on or off-beat they are the dopest mc's out there. It's not hard to visualize what they have in mind when they are on da mic. I personally think it's a bit strange to claim white rappers get more exposure then black rappers. Until eminem came around it was pretty much unthinkable for a white male rap artist to break thru, and that was not all that long ago. Still, when I put on MTV or sumthin, most rappers I see are black, and logically so because that's where the source the scene lies. It's logical that Nelly or Ja-rule or whatever gets more attention then let's say Mobb Deep, because the lyrical content of Mobb Deep is just not meant for any general audience. I got so much props for their infamous album and the hell on earth album, but seriously, I would also be shocked to turn on the radio and hear G.O.D. ptIII playing with full intro in the afternoon. I can go as far as to even think that naming ur label Murder inc. is going too far, as this is subconsciously influencing the teenieboppers who are bouncing merrily on some soft R&B track with some thug(wtf?) edge to it. Some woman singing about love this and that in her video, and in the background theirs this huge board that has murder inc. emblem. How fitting (NOT!). |
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i think cuban linx is a little overrated myself, but it did set the trend for all the mob imagery in hip-hop today, and rae certainly has mad skills. i'm just more into gza's imagery and wordplay, ghost's and rza's flows, and odb's, well... odbness. N.E.R.D. do have a 2nd album in the works.. perhaps coming out this year. i have 1/2 to 2/3 of a demo version of "locked away" which they performed on tour. i have no idea how the mp3 ripping group (tAS) got it. i prefer the live version of it for now. i don't think DP are any more racist than the life (experiences, situations, conditions) they're writing about... it goes with the territory. i don't think they've ever said "whites are the enemy". they've said in interviews they're down with whoever's down with the cause. it's just that the people who make the decisions that affect us all (in so many negative ways) happen to be whites in positions of authority (the government, the police, record label execs, club owners, employers, etc.). i know it's important for people to listen to rappers that seem to reflect their situations. perhaps i get so much more out of black rappers cos i grew up in a black neighborhood and have black friends (not to suggest that you don't). as for the high intellect and esoteric subject matter i've benefitted from schooling these last several years, to me it's hard to disassociate that with some of the pompous pricks (mostly rich kids who are full of themselves) and that's how i perceive anticon and a lot of other white rappers: showoffs and snobs. so it's not like i don't get it, they just have negative associations with me, and they certainly don't address all the problems that i see in the world. |
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i'm really glad to see how this topic has taken off , especially because of all the... well, shit thats been on the board lately. |
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titsworth is always insightful, no matter if his pee pee is yellow or clear |
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I'd like to add: The Roots: Things Fall Apart |
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one of my personal favorites as well |
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i totally forgot about De La, seems typical but i love 3ft high n rising the mostest of their stuff. on the subject of race etc, for me it's about the sounds coming out of my headphones, i can't really relate to much music about being down n out etc because i'm relatively lucky when looking at a wide perspective, n i don't naturally swing either way but thas prolly cuz i'm mixed race... i didn't know anticon were all white doods, well i sorta knew but not really.. from what i've heard, their stuff is much better when they group up rather than the solo albums... but thats only from what i've listened too, which isn't a huge amount... did anyone hear that the fugees might be getting back together? |
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pretty much none IMO |
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hmm(not really a hip hop expert but I do know the stuff that I dont like ie jay-z, bling bling shit, eminem etc.) shadow - endtroducing clouddead - st cannibal ox - cold vein aesop rock - float mos def stuff is good too but I dont like it as much as the above i wanna hear aquemini, outkast seems pretty cool |
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simply the doggy : doggystyle... plus great milenko by ICP |
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PE ...nation of millions... |
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that dilated peoples track that sounds like theyve sampled an ice cream van is really good - i think its called the platform |
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or Paul's Boutique. |
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i would never consider beastie boys as the best hiphop. i do like the in sound from way out, some of check your head, pauls boutique and some old bullshit but not too big on them anymore. |
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I just thought of another one, Sadat X, Wild Cowboys, not an obvious choice but it just does it for me. And ATCQ Midnight Marauders. |
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deltron 3030. Hell if I know anything about hip hop. |
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i think you'll really enjoy OUTKAST.....they blasted out the doors in concert.......they were everywhere at once!! |
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I really love N.E.R.D's album, I remember I told you I lost my burnt disk but I got the orginial for Christmas, the songs are so great like "Bobby Jame" and "Stay together" w00t! |
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icp fuckin sucks |
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i didn't hear that about the fugees, that'd be cool. anyway, i'm middle class myself, but i don't have a lot of possessions. i'm lucky when it comes to education (best $ can buy), food, and shelter, but as for entertainment stuff, as the "i-tals" put it: fuhgettaboutit. and cos that stuff's never been lavished on me i've grown to not care about the latest clothes, game consoles, cars, etc. so regarding "down and out" lyrics, i can't listen and be like "wow that's just like me" (except i can't get a job) but i can still relate to it cos it's what i see and it's what i feel is an important issue in this country and around the world. but it's important to stress that not all blacks are "down in out" (it drives me up the wall when my white peers make jokes about blacks living in "da ghetto") and likewise, not all black rappers write about being down and out. i listen to an album like mos def's black on both sides and i hear songs about how blacks invented rock music (no shit), how important african roots are or should be to the black american, party songs, songs with shocking but true political statistics ("mathematics"), tales of racism, love songs, lyrical showing off, and alarming trends that will affect us all severely years from now ("new world water") -- and that's just ONE album. |
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elvis presley ain't got no soul :D i did like the rock n roll part at the end, i thought it was cool that he doesn't limit himself to what's widely considered "black" music. rock n roll! rock n roll! thats a great album, i just wish my copy wasn't laden with clicks and skips (i fuckin hate it when people rip shitty cds) |
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maybe that'll inspire you to buy a legit copy then.. i'm sure you gave vsnares your $ anyway, mos's next album is an all rock album |
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heh, i haven't given mr funk any money actually :x my dad did though |
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but i don't get it... you're not poor |
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Nas - Illmatic Not a bad track on there. Superior production. Amazing lyrics. |
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