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a topic-starting night for me but what do you feel of anti-depressants? do you belive in them? at least in finland, there is almost no psychiatric treatment, only thing you get is pill after pill. i have been on prozac for a half a year and the effects have been strange. now i'm going to stop eating it but i'm so scared i can't be 'normal' without it. but still, it makes me act strange. i had also other medication but i quitted taking them a long time ago. i don't feel 'healthy' in any way, but i can't believe the medication could help. has any of you had similar experiences? should i just keep on taking prozac or not? other thoughts on this? |
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... sorry no helpful advice but good luck to you anyway :) |
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why are you stopping? |
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I won't take pills to fix any of my stuff(minor attention problems...) I have a hard time justifying Advil or anything except for extreme pain. I think most of this shit is mental, and can be conquered when one is fully centered in a healthy mindset. I hope this doesn't sound houghty toughty |
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because of the strange effects. so much so strange and life-like dreams, memory flashes, heead aches and general feeling of nothing. |
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In highschool I was diagnosed with bi polar depression. My mom thinks that a pill isnt going to solve any of my problems. So I talked to a psychiatrist. And you work out your problems by talking and doing.... and I am very glad my mom chose that over an anti-depresant. There has got to be at least one good psychiatrist in your area neeta. It will take a lot of will power but I would imagine that if you really bared down and focused you could work your problems out in your own head.... I have seen people do that. Its possible. |
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99% mental :) Also, taking pills puts you in a pill taking mindset. That you can just munch something to feel something else. Getting those feelings or loosing them becuase you thought about it and focused on it seems far more rewarding, if at least not more real. |
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well.. prozac isn't the only anti-depressant.. you should ask for a different one.. maybe that one will help you without deadening you.. here in the Netherlands its always a combination - medication + therapy - IF you even get medication. |
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Drugs are an important element in the treatment of mental illnesses. Currently I am on anti deppressents anti phsycotics beta blockers and a benzo something t-tranqualizer. Please speak to your doctor before stopping taking your medication, sometimes coming off them too quickly can have harsher side affects than the drugs themselves. |
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i do know that. |
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it really pisses me off when people say "just have will power to get over it "etc. Depression is a chemical inbalance. Some people are depressed for genuine reasons... bad events in life etc... but there is also the chemical imbalance, and willpower cant overcome it. I have depression, and im on Zoloft. I dont know where id be without it, because before i took it, i was in a very, very bad, dark place... |
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My dad was on Paxil for years.. not sure if it helped or not be he snapped out of it.. I have a friend who on anti-depressants, or something... he's as weird as ever. I've heard that getting off the pills causes more problems that there were to begin with. ?? confusing stuff. |
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The drug helps to balance the chemical levels in your brain, and lets you regain some kind of control again. The strangeness you feel and the emptiness is most likely the illness, the headaches and dreams can be side effects of the pills. Ask your doc for advice before deciding anything yourself. |
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I think I might try some...non-depression has been an unexplored territory for me for a while. |
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You also don't necissarily need to remain on that particular antidepprtesant I have tried a couple. The feelings of nothingness are not the drug directly htis is just the deppresion, I know it's difficult but please stick with your doctor he/she will be able to help. |
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I've been thinking of going on Zoloft... I need to go on SOMETHING, soon. |
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I don't know- they make some people too weird, but they work well for my dad. It's probably hereditary, but I'm a fairly optomistic and positive person so hopefully I should be able to avoid having to take pills. Re: The weird side effects- Yes, I know lots of people who won't take anti-malarial tablets because the vivid dreams are so bad... |
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What about candybars Ophecks? works for me. Allthoug I gained allmost 10 kilos the last 18 months. Neetta, dont do anything without talking to the doc, or maybe another doc. Do you have solariums in finland (I guess you have but I'm not sure) I heard sunlight is also an important factor for how people feel. I allways get a little down during the winter, and when I have other shit I might even get into the direction of something like a depression. When the days get longer and the sun gets stronger, I feel better and better. |
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sometimes talking to a psychiatrist is better thant just taking a pill, and a lot of docotrs think of prozac as the miracle drug.. the only thing is, best to find out what is best from a doctor not the mb |
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What I meant to say with that solarium-story. Maybe that works for you? Ask the doc! :) :) :) |
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Sure their are chemical imbalaces, but I think a lot of people use that as a crutch and avoid the real problems that are making them depressed in their lives. I can say that I am really glad that I was able to defeat my depression (5 years of work). Sure every now and then I get down, but its not nearly as bad as it used to be. |
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think of anti-depressants as a walking stick, an aid to recovery. if you feel the tablets are to blame for you feeling strange and not the reason you are actually taking them which is making you feel strange, then go see your doctor. there are 3 main types of anti-depressant but so many sub classes, all designed to help you depending on your type of illness & symptoms. if you want further info on what you're taking, the internet is full of helpful advice. i took 6 different anti-depressants before i found the one which was most suited to me. now thank god i don't need them anymore. |
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huh |
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I tend to have short periods where I feel like falling into a pit where I cant get out. I know how to handle that though. Just get something to eat and think my problems over until I feel better. Its hard being human...isn't it?! |
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about goin off of medicine... with Zoloft, you have to go off it slowly. its like a month process... cause your body gets used to it. ive forgotten to take my medicine for a fews, and i get dizzy, tingly, and nausious. its the worst feeling. so, make sure if you decide to go off your medicine, ask the doctor about how to go about it. |
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i know forr a fact they worrk to solve deprrrression in the shorrt terrm, but not the long terrm. the downsides arre addiction. you could easily be addicted. |
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it depends what kind of depression you have. if its chemical... i dont see how youd counter it if its due to live problems... then drugs are only quick ways to avoid the depression, and you will (hopefully) get over it someday. |
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-about goin off of medicine... I've been thinking about this recently you know, thinking welll as far as I'm concerend this medication does *nothing* for me but on the other hand I know that if I came off it especially without some help I'd be very unwell, it's funny that. |
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Further, Neeta you shouldn't feel like you're the only person to be going through this there are lots of people with similar conditions outthere and although I've never used the internet to communicate with them, Talking to people in a similar situation helps often times. :-P |
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Yes, I agree. Depending on what's causing it people can have the willpower to overcome it... people can even overcome schizophrenia without medicine. That's not to say that people who can't are weak willed... |
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I read if you "work out", you dont need any antidepresants, sports is healthy !? I aint depressed, just really really shy, I dunno if theres a pill for that, but it would be great. |
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Neetta we love you , you finish bastard!! Always remember that! |
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Don't be sad Neetta! & I think you should throw that prozac in the garbage! You just need a good hug!! I look @ depression as a matter of recieving energy. Either you absorb it or choose to be on a different wave length. |
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listen to mahoro de mambo,.. you'll never feel sad again |
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Hugs Neetta |
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I have been on AntiDepressants for 8 years..mine was brought on was on by a Post Traumatic Stress disorder, post a head injury...so the thing about will power..and just grinning and bearing it..doesnt wash with me or with anyone else who actually end up on the anti depressant..that whole Prozac nation, happy pill media circus bullshit have left these illusions that people *choose* to be on anti depressants, not so in most cases... now the problem with them....they stop working after a while if you are on them long term like I am... and your emotions do flatten out..the highs disappear as well as the lows..so I might be ecstatic but most I can manage physically is a smile...but small price to pay to avert THE BLACK DOG... Zeus...how are you on Zoloft? ...I am currently on Serzone..which is good but it interacts with just about every other conventional drug..so if I get sick in any other way..I cant get proper medication for it because Serzone interacts adversely with it..hence I am coming off them..I was initially on Zoloft for about a year and them the Govt subsidy got removed from it so I had to be switched back..but of all the drugs I have been on..Zoloft was the best..from what I can remember..and am now in process of getting it so that I am back on Zoloft.. |
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Montreal is like the depression, mental illness and suicide capital of the world. I've had more emotionally troubled friends than I'd like to admit. The most important thing is to not self-diagnose. By which I mean, don't label yourself! One friend had a breakdown and was on meds for the short term but managed to bounce back because he never labeled himself, never identified with mental ilness and made it a lifestyle the way some do. Of course there are legitimate chemical imbalances that you just can't pull yourself out of... but try, if you can, to overcome it. Don't let the "I am a crazy person" stigma turn you into a self pitying stereotype, even if it turns out you have to keep taking the meds. I think for some people the cycle of depression and medication becomes learned behaviour, and a life script or role, just as it is for people who get hooked on 12-step programs. |
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Wise words , i agree and feel you are on to something there. |
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what do you mean, how am i on zoloft? |
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i dont hide behind my meds. and you are right, you should still try to overcome it, even while on meds... but if i WASNT on meds... i dont know where Id be now. seriously... my depression was aweful. I couldnt function. i slept alot, ate litte... didnt hang out with my friends, even my best friend. id come home from school every day and cry... cry till dinner, sometimes id skip dinner, or id eat alittle, and then go back to my room and cry until i feel asleep. then i was always late for school, cause it was so hard to convince myself to get up in the morning... and at school, i was just in my own world. i didnt pay attention or anything... even my favorite classes like ensemble. id get lost in the song, cause i couldnt concentrate. i seriously felt like i was withering away, and there was nothing i could do, and no one cared. but when I got on the meds, it brought me out of it. now i can think straight, i can focus on things. I can think about my depression more objectivily. without my meds... i wouldnt have the will power or strength to "pull myself out of depression" |
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This is a revealing thread. I'll keep it to check the behaviour and attitude of some persons in future messages. |
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nothing personal about me... nope... no siree |
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don't be so naive.. a good hug is nice, but when you are depressed it doesn't help shit. |
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"Don't let the "I am a crazy person" stigma turn you into a self pitying stereotype, even if it turns out you have to keep taking the meds." I see what you are saying, but I do think its important for most people with mental problems its VERY important to acknowledge you are sick, that there a certain boundaries to keep to (I see it like this -- if you have a broken leg, you know you shouldn't start running, put keep walking at a certain, steady pace). also, the stigma you talk about, is not so much in the person itself as it is in society - "crazy people" are weird, dangerous etc. - we must pity them. its very important to know you have certain weaknesses and live your life with those in mind. um. |
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physical exercise works quite well i've found |
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sleep deprivation helps too.. there are sleep deprivation therapies.. |
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also, the stigma you talk about, is not so much in the person itself as it is in society - "crazy people" are weird, dangerous etc. - we must pity them. its very important to know you have certain weaknesses and live your life with those in mind. I have no argument with the fact that some people need medication for their chemical imbalances, just like diabetics need insulin etc. I'm just saying that too often people make their mental illness the defining characteristic of themselves and live down to the low expectations that society sets for them--they internalize the stigma. |
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There's also light therapy for people with seasonal affective disorder, people who get depressed when the days are short and light is dim. Sometimes in the winter if I've been in the office all day and get out after the sun sets I put on a happy track like "seen all good people" by Yes, close my eyes and put my face near a bright lightbulb. Makes me feel better. You photophobes out there may beg to differ. |
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okay, when you put it like that, I agree.. :) and I'm not a photophobe. am a Yessophobe though -- EWWW!! : S |
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Prog is good and Yes is the best prog. I also really dig Allan Parsons Project "Tales of Mystery and Imagination". Damn, some of the happiest moments of my life are coming home late at night on my bicycle in the summer, cracking an emergency beer and reading Usenet with that album playing and the sky full of watermelon air |
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