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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-08 13:06 [#00341476]
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I don't believe that Osama bin Laden supported the WTC attack just because he thought they were a bunch of infidels. This was an attack of pure revenge in the "eye for an eye" tradition(one that I do not agree with). It is a direct result of the bombings on Iraq and the support for Israel in oppressing Palastina. If it goes on like this, and it certainly appears so, expect another attack just like it or maybe worse. And I feel sorry about all the people who are killed and oppressed for a reason they didn't have anything to do with no matter what location they're in. I'm angry at the whole "oh I don't care" attitude. Hello, we're talking about lives here, not just "theirs" but "yours" as well
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-08 13:08 [#00341477]
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Could you tell me where you got those quotes? Post a link or something?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:08 [#00341478]
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tekno: that is quite simplified and naive. Iraq sanctions effectivelly killed tens of thousands of children. It was not a mistake, or a collateral damage but a calculated effect. They killed many afghan civillians in bombings even though they were trying to help them out. Hell, I posted this 10 times so far, but here it is again: back in 1999 when NATO was thrashing Yugoslavia, to protect albanian civillians who were terrorized by serbs (my nation), american f-16 burned a whole convoy of albanian refugees (women/ children/ elderly) because someone from the awax, 10 miles up in the sky told him it's a serbian army convoy with tanks and trucks. "But these are just agricultural machines with children on them" he kept protesting, but he had an order to follow, so 80 of them were turned into charcoal. Now, a system that actually allows for this kind of mistake is not merely "ignorant", it's activelly inefficient and therefore, to use your word "evil".
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:09 [#00341480]
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Don't be so naive. What is going to happen if you bomb a country? Civilians will and do die. The US is fully aware of that and yet they go ahead because oil is vitally important to the US economy.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:09 [#00341481]
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And yet you missed my and several other peoples disclaimers that by Americans we meant the government and not the people
hmmm
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:12 [#00341483]
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The link is further up this very thread posted by Jonesy. Message number 8 or 9 I think.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-08 13:14 [#00341485]
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Give me some sources, I want to read up on this. Btw, the people that forced the planes into the WTC, didn't do it for revenge, they did it for religion. Bin laden is in it for the revenge, religion is key to control.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:15 [#00341487]
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"religion is key to control"
True, so is consumer-based society.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-08 13:15 [#00341488]
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Oh come on people, I want reliable sources here.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:18 [#00341490]
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http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341491]
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http://www.ccmep.org/us_bombing_watch.html
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341492]
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Give him the Pilger link too dude.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341493]
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The actual extent of Bin Ladens direct involvement is actually more in question than ever with even the Pakistani President the most direct outsider involved in America's War On Terrorism campaign voicing his doubts
My theory Bin Laden laid down the architecture and networks for such an attack to become a possiblity ages ago with the aid of CIA itself but was he directly responsible for this particular incident I am not so convinced and why oh why havent the CIA found him yet unless they dont want to find him so they can put him on the back burner for later use now like they did to Saddam. The bad guys and the pure evil does need regular reshuffling you know othewise the CNN zombies can start seeing the cracks and the plot holes in the scripts.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341494]
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You asked for it, dude. Jonesy has been waiting for this kind of opportunity for ages.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-08 13:21 [#00341495]
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Once again jonesy, reliable sources. Not some peace org or crap like that, a non biest reliable source.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-08 13:22 [#00341496]
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Osama bin Laden:
"Millions of innocent children are being killed as I speak. They are being killed in Iraq without committing any sins and we don't hear condemnation or a fatwa from the rulers.
In these days, Israeli tanks infest Palestine in Jenin, Ramallah, Rafah, Beit Jala, and other places in the land of Islam, and we don't hear anyone raising his voice or moving a limb."
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:22 [#00341498]
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my two cents:
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/kosovo.htm
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:23 [#00341499]
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Well this guy has won numerous journalism awards from establishment organisations. The ITV network his website is on is the biggest commercial TV network in the UK so he's for real. They wouldn't touch him with a bargepole if he wasn't.
Here: http://pilger.carlton.com/
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:28 [#00341504]
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What is your idea of a non biased reliable source?..CNN?, ABC?, NBC?, BBC?..lol...netwroks whose sole purpose is the spread of right kind of Govt approved edited and prompted sensation?.
btw..you really havent bothered reading the very first post have you..the source for that is RUETERS...is that a biggy big enough media name for you?
..and yes Pilger works for Carlton TV..the last place I would suspect a peace organisation to take root in :)
here http://pilger.carlton.com/
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:29 [#00341505]
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heh:)
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-08 13:29 [#00341507]
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The world's gone cookoo for coco puffs, and i'm being draged along with it. I've waisted enough time and energy for one decade on this. I'm outa here.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:31 [#00341508]
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alas another soul lost to the depths of the choclaty milk sludge..bye bye...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:32 [#00341510]
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Come on, dude, don't go, we still need to hear a convincing argument from you. Or we can just discuss other topics. No one here is your enemy.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:33 [#00341511]
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shit, we chased him off. We are really a bunch of pinko-commie-faggots with sharp pointy teeth.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:34 [#00341512]
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are we just bad people Meho?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:35 [#00341513]
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Well he obviously wasn't willing to argue his point by dealing with facts so he ran out of steam. Shame.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:35 [#00341514]
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Well you two are, I'm all sweetness and light.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:38 [#00341515]
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I prefer being referred to as "evil". "Bad" is just good for kiddie comics, but "Evil", eh, that's another story...
But, yeah, that guy did not have any real thing to say. he was just defensive from the first post on. Shame...
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-08 13:40 [#00341516]
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I missed my break at work I was so interested in what you guys where saying. I also missed doing any work also. Hmm.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:40 [#00341517]
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shit I didnt even get to layout facts like
yes there are a thousand Starbucks in Korea along with KFC, McDonalds, Burger Kings, Cloning Labs franchised by US UFO nut cults...
that would have just imploded his little reality now wouldnt it...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:40 [#00341518]
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Get back to work you lazy prole, we have a war to win.
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-08-08 13:41 [#00341520]
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*yum, yum*
i enjoy starting my day with political entrigue brought to me my the good netizens of thei board. keep it coming guys!
I for one would like to see a daily current events thread (simular to lecour's quote of ze day), we we all can discuss what going on, and can open our minds to other worldly perspectives.
One of the major reasons why i enjoy this community is that it's filled with tons of ppl from the eastern hemisphere, some of which have good heads on their shoulders :).
Apt-zet: about your reply to my post; all that says is that you're suseptable to stereo-types. Do ALL canadians idolize wayne gretzky? Do ALL hispanics walk around the place with shitty 40oz beer in their hands and say "wazapining?" all the time? no. you're jsut as guitly as steve, with your nihilistic attitude. yes you seem to have brought your case with a few generalizations, but that's all they are. as truthful as they might be.
ok, now that i'm caught up, i need to refresh this thread, and see any new posts...ttyl!
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:43 [#00341524]
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so are we just pure Evil Meho?
you didnt miss much Spikee..just the mind boggling sub cultural anomaly that is a partiotic flag waving self proclaimed hacker?..hmm...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:43 [#00341525]
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Yeah, and we even never got to call him gay or anything.
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-08-08 13:43 [#00341526]
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This is probably going to get buried in this thread, but I saw this special report on Bhutan, one of the last counties in the world to get cable TV. We often talk about the effect of Western culture on the rest of the world. I found some of the articles interesting.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:47 [#00341528]
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Pure fucking evil, slick as snakes, hot as hell's own bowels, black as the inside of devil's skull
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-08-08 13:49 [#00341530]
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woops, i ment western hemisphere :). I"M in the eastern :).
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:50 [#00341531]
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Damn another one bites the dust
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:50 [#00341532]
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Whale: this is interesting, thx for the link. I wish I had more time...
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-08 13:51 [#00341533]
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No way dude. Learning about these issues is my work as far as I'm concerned. Like it or not you, Flea and Meho constantly influence me and make me more aware.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:51 [#00341534]
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Nanotech: what do you mean? I'm in the eastern, goddamn it!!!
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:53 [#00341535]
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Spikee: stop it, you are scaring me. All my life I am trying to achieve the point where my actions will not have any effect on anyone anywhere.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:54 [#00341536]
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blacks as the devils minions' nuts roasted in hellfire and served with charred fire breathing reptiles on side with lucretia's piss for sauce.....
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:56 [#00341538]
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Spikee: and you are putting a smile on my face. All my life I've tried to influence others.
Nah, just kidding. Keep on keeping on mate.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:57 [#00341539]
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yeah dude thanks but my actions are not to be trusted ..
half the things I say dont mean anything to anyone but me the other half mean a lot but dont make sense even to me..
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-08-08 13:58 [#00341540]
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hey meho, i've been meaingin to ask you: who's that in your avatar? is that ron jeremy dressed up like mickey mouse? or mario?
please enlighten.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 14:00 [#00341542]
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Yeah, RJ dressed as Mario. I have three more pics from the same series.
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steve
from chicago on 2002-08-08 14:00 [#00341543]
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Cmon boys, don't go getting soft now.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 14:00 [#00341544]
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ron jeremy enjoying his own company a bit too much when he should be out and sweating like a boiled pig all over someone half is age and girth
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 14:02 [#00341545]
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we will... as soon as you stop filming us you political pervert you..
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