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offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-08 13:06 [#00341476]
Points: 2670 Status: Lurker



I don't believe that Osama bin Laden supported the WTC
attack just because he thought they were a bunch of
infidels. This was an attack of pure revenge in the "eye for
an eye" tradition(one that I do not agree with). It is a
direct result of the bombings on Iraq and the support for
Israel in oppressing Palastina. If it goes on like this, and
it certainly appears so, expect another attack just like it
or maybe worse. And I feel sorry about all the people who
are killed and oppressed for a reason they didn't have
anything to do with no matter what location they're in. I'm
angry at the whole "oh I don't care" attitude. Hello, we're
talking about lives here, not just "theirs" but "yours" as
well


 

offline teknoterrorist from United States on 2002-08-08 13:08 [#00341477]
Points: 95 Status: Regular



Could you tell me where you got those quotes? Post a link or
something?


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:08 [#00341478]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to teknoterrorist: #00341468



tekno: that is quite simplified and naive. Iraq sanctions
effectivelly killed tens of thousands of children. It was
not a mistake, or a collateral damage but a calculated
effect. They killed many afghan civillians in bombings even
though they were trying to help them out. Hell, I posted
this 10 times so far, but here it is again: back in 1999
when NATO was thrashing Yugoslavia, to protect albanian
civillians who were terrorized by serbs (my nation),
american f-16 burned a whole convoy of albanian refugees
(women/ children/ elderly) because someone from the awax, 10
miles up in the sky told him it's a serbian army convoy with
tanks and trucks. "But these are just agricultural machines
with children on them" he kept protesting, but he had an
order to follow, so 80 of them were turned into charcoal.
Now, a system that actually allows for this kind of mistake
is not merely "ignorant", it's activelly inefficient and
therefore, to use your word "evil".


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:09 [#00341480]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker | Followup to teknoterrorist: #00341468



Don't be so naive. What is going to happen if you bomb a
country? Civilians will and do die. The US is fully aware of
that and yet they go ahead because oil is vitally important
to the US economy.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:09 [#00341481]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to teknoterrorist: #00341473



And yet you missed my and several other peoples disclaimers
that by Americans we meant the government and not the people


hmmm


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:12 [#00341483]
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The link is further up this very thread posted by Jonesy.
Message number 8 or 9 I think.


 

offline teknoterrorist from United States on 2002-08-08 13:14 [#00341485]
Points: 95 Status: Regular



Give me some sources, I want to read up on this. Btw, the
people that forced the planes into the WTC, didn't do it for
revenge, they did it for religion. Bin laden is in it for
the revenge, religion is key to control.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:15 [#00341487]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to teknoterrorist: #00341485



"religion is key to control"

True, so is consumer-based society.


 

offline teknoterrorist from United States on 2002-08-08 13:15 [#00341488]
Points: 95 Status: Regular



Oh come on people, I want reliable sources here.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:18 [#00341490]
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http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341491]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker



http://www.ccmep.org/us_bombing_watch.html


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341492]
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Give him the Pilger link too dude.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341493]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to Laserbeak: #00341476



The actual extent of Bin Ladens direct involvement is
actually more in question than ever with even the Pakistani
President the most direct outsider involved in America's War
On Terrorism campaign voicing his doubts

My theory Bin Laden laid down the architecture and networks
for such an attack to become a possiblity ages ago with the
aid of CIA itself but was he directly responsible for this
particular incident I am not so convinced and why oh why
havent the CIA found him yet unless they dont want to find
him so they can put him on the back burner for later use now
like they did to Saddam. The bad guys and the pure evil does
need regular reshuffling you know othewise the CNN zombies
can start seeing the cracks and the plot holes in the
scripts.



 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:19 [#00341494]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



You asked for it, dude. Jonesy has been waiting for this
kind of opportunity for ages.


 

offline teknoterrorist from United States on 2002-08-08 13:21 [#00341495]
Points: 95 Status: Regular



Once again jonesy, reliable sources. Not some peace org or
crap like that, a non biest reliable source.


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-08 13:22 [#00341496]
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Osama bin Laden:

"Millions of innocent children are being killed as I speak.
They are being killed in Iraq without committing any sins
and we don't hear condemnation or a fatwa from the rulers.

In these days, Israeli tanks infest Palestine in Jenin,
Ramallah, Rafah, Beit Jala, and other places in the land of
Islam, and we don't hear anyone raising his voice or moving
a limb."



 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:22 [#00341498]
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my two cents:

http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/kosovo.htm


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:23 [#00341499]
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Well this guy has won numerous journalism awards from
establishment organisations. The ITV network his website is
on is the biggest commercial TV network in the UK so he's
for real. They wouldn't touch him with a bargepole if he
wasn't.

Here: http://pilger.carlton.com/


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:28 [#00341504]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to teknoterrorist: #00341495



What is your idea of a non biased reliable source?..CNN?,
ABC?, NBC?, BBC?..lol...netwroks whose sole purpose is the
spread of right kind of Govt approved edited and prompted
sensation?.

btw..you really havent bothered reading the very first post
have you..the source for that is RUETERS...is that a biggy
big enough media name for you?

..and yes Pilger works for Carlton TV..the last place I
would suspect a peace organisation to take root in :)

here
http://pilger.carlton.com/


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:29 [#00341505]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to jonesy: #00341499



heh:)


 

offline teknoterrorist from United States on 2002-08-08 13:29 [#00341507]
Points: 95 Status: Regular



The world's gone cookoo for coco puffs, and i'm being draged
along with it. I've waisted enough time and energy for one
decade on this. I'm outa here.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:31 [#00341508]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to teknoterrorist: #00341507



alas another soul lost to the depths of the choclaty milk
sludge..bye bye...


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:32 [#00341510]
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Come on, dude, don't go, we still need to hear a convincing
argument from you. Or we can just discuss other topics. No
one here is your enemy.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:33 [#00341511]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



shit, we chased him off. We are really a bunch of
pinko-commie-faggots with sharp pointy teeth.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:34 [#00341512]
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are we just bad people Meho?


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:35 [#00341513]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker



Well he obviously wasn't willing to argue his point by
dealing with facts so he ran out of steam. Shame.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:35 [#00341514]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker | Followup to flea: #00341512



Well you two are, I'm all sweetness and light.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:38 [#00341515]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



I prefer being referred to as "evil". "Bad" is just good for
kiddie comics, but "Evil", eh, that's another story...

But, yeah, that guy did not have any real thing to say. he
was just defensive from the first post on. Shame...


 

offline Spikee Dragon from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-08 13:40 [#00341516]
Points: 4176 Status: Regular



I missed my break at work I was so interested in what you
guys where saying. I also missed doing any work also. Hmm.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:40 [#00341517]
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shit I didnt even get to layout facts like

yes there are a thousand Starbucks in Korea along with KFC,
McDonalds, Burger Kings, Cloning Labs franchised by US UFO
nut cults...

that would have just imploded his little reality now wouldnt
it...


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:40 [#00341518]
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Get back to work you lazy prole, we have a war to win.


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-08-08 13:41 [#00341520]
Points: 3727 Status: Regular



*yum, yum*

i enjoy starting my day with political entrigue brought to
me my the good netizens of thei board. keep it coming guys!

I for one would like to see a daily current events thread
(simular to lecour's quote of ze day), we we all can discuss
what going on, and can open our minds to other worldly
perspectives.

One of the major reasons why i enjoy this community is that
it's filled with tons of ppl from the eastern hemisphere,
some of which have good heads on their shoulders :).

Apt-zet: about your reply to my post; all that says is that
you're suseptable to stereo-types. Do ALL canadians idolize
wayne gretzky? Do ALL hispanics walk around the place with
shitty 40oz beer in their hands and say "wazapining?" all
the time? no. you're jsut as guitly as steve, with your
nihilistic attitude. yes you seem to have brought your case
with a few generalizations, but that's all they are. as
truthful as they might be.

ok, now that i'm caught up, i need to refresh this thread,
and see any new posts...ttyl!


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:43 [#00341524]
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so are we just pure Evil Meho?

you didnt miss much Spikee..just the mind boggling sub
cultural anomaly that is a partiotic flag waving self
proclaimed hacker?..hmm...


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:43 [#00341525]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



Yeah, and we even never got to call him gay or anything.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-08-08 13:43 [#00341526]
Points: 3301 Status: Lurker



This is probably going to get buried in this thread, but I
saw this special report on Bhutan, one of the last counties
in the world to get cable TV. We often talk about the effect
of Western culture on the rest of the world. I found some of
the articles interesting.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:47 [#00341528]
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Pure fucking evil, slick as snakes, hot as hell's own
bowels, black as the inside of devil's skull


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-08-08 13:49 [#00341530]
Points: 3727 Status: Regular | Followup to nanotech: #00341520



woops, i ment western hemisphere :). I"M in the eastern :).


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:50 [#00341531]
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Damn another one bites the dust


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:50 [#00341532]
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Whale: this is interesting, thx for the link. I wish I had
more time...


 

offline Spikee Dragon from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-08 13:51 [#00341533]
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No way dude. Learning about these issues is my work as far
as I'm concerned. Like it or not you, Flea and Meho
constantly influence me and make me more aware.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:51 [#00341534]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to nanotech: #00341530



Nanotech: what do you mean? I'm in the eastern, goddamn
it!!!


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 13:53 [#00341535]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to Spikee Dragon: #00341533



Spikee: stop it, you are scaring me. All my life I am trying
to achieve the point where my actions will not have any
effect on anyone anywhere.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:54 [#00341536]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to Meho Krljic: #00341528



blacks as the devils minions' nuts roasted in hellfire and
served with charred fire breathing reptiles on side with
lucretia's piss for sauce.....


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-08 13:56 [#00341538]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker



Spikee: and you are putting a smile on my face. All my life
I've tried to influence others.

Nah, just kidding. Keep on keeping on mate.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 13:57 [#00341539]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to Meho Krljic: #00341535



yeah dude thanks but my actions are not to be trusted ..

half the things I say dont mean anything to anyone but me
the other half mean a lot but dont make sense even to me..


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-08-08 13:58 [#00341540]
Points: 3727 Status: Regular | Followup to Meho Krljic: #00341535



hey meho, i've been meaingin to ask you: who's that in your
avatar? is that ron jeremy dressed up like mickey mouse? or
mario?

please enlighten.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-08 14:00 [#00341542]
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Yeah, RJ dressed as Mario. I have three more pics from the
same series.


 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-08-08 14:00 [#00341543]
Points: 1156 Status: Lurker



Cmon boys, don't go getting soft now.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 14:00 [#00341544]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to nanotech: #00341540



ron jeremy enjoying his own company a bit too much when he
should be out and sweating like a boiled pig all over
someone half is age and girth


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-08 14:02 [#00341545]
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we will... as soon as you stop filming us you political
pervert you..


 


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