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Further reading: www.indymedia.org www.parallel-youniversity.com www.schnews.org.uk |
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lol @ u guys :) its not even the government...... they are only a small part of whos incharge...... and who controls our society |
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thi si extremly intresting http://www.counterpunch.org/chomskyintv.html |
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errrrrr i hate that "indymedia.org" site! i went there a long time ago expecting to find an INDEPENDANT source of news! nono.... it might as well be called "protesternews.com"!!!!! its EXTREMELY biased! now i am left-wing myself.. pretty far left-wing, in fact but reading news SO biased that its basically just propoganda is just stupid.. cnn isn't even as much propoganda as this dont get me wrong i agree w/ this site's opinoins........ but its trying to influence people just like the governments PR is! and thats just stupid... ESPECIALLY when it passes itself off as "independant" media! |
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im saying,stop talking shit about countries because they do it its not the country,its the government and yes,the US,whether you like it or not,did save our ass in WWII |
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yeah but everything has a bias - it's the nature of human thought - it's a left wing protest site - i'm sure it's pretty easy to find right wing nazi or fascist sites on the net - also your point about propaganda - the way society is set up - more people get to see cnn so they belive cnn is giving them the truth - on the other hand they are liklely to not trust something like indymedia as much - hegemony hegemony \He*gem`o*ny\, n. [Gr. ?, fr. ? guide, leader, fr. ? to go before.] Leadership; preponderant influence or authority; -- usually applied to the relation of a government or state to its neighbors or confederates. --Lieber. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. |
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"its not the country,its the government" "and yes,the US,whether you like it or not..." hehe, but I know what you mean. I thought it was the "allied forces" who defeated the Nazis.... but you're right, the US was part of that alliance. I don't know how these historic events are of consequence in the current situation... |
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they aren't - and it wsa the collaborative forces of the allies that stopped the nazis - the us forces were more appparent in japan though - ie the atomic bombing of innocent people in hiroshima and nagasaki - the problem now is the us pretty much does what it wants - it's on a "crusade" |
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yeah, the US is like some feverish dumb wild animal rampagin thru the jungle squashing anything in its path... |
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oh for fucking christs sake WWII England and the USSR were the only powers left to fight the european theater(and they were getting their asses kicked) before the US committed troops to europe and even before that, the US was supplying the Allies with weapons and materials they were too fucking poor to afford (WWI devestation) as much as people dont want to admit Europe was in shambles,it was,ill admit it (i moved to the US no longer than 3 years ago,and i still love ireland more than any other country patriotically) so im not biased,im telling you the facts the US also issued the Marshall Plan,which, believe it or not, saved Europes economy from 50 years of hard work(and they are still working on getting it all the way back) again,those are the hard facts Laserbeak-thank you for understanding my views, again,you dont have to agree with them, but it really angers me when the blame for all this chaos is upon the unknowing and somewhat ignorant masses instead of the government,which is propelling itself to do these horrible deeds. again,these things are horrible, but you have to expect civilian casualties in war,there are innocent casualties in every war, believe it or not, not just this one. thank you for listening...i am enjoying this argument. |
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the most powerful country in the world is doing this... oh my God, this is scary!!! |
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why are you bringing up the past? i thought we were talking about the US actions right now? a lot has changed in the last 50 years, especially in US politics - if you're going to bring up the past to explain the present, bring up the US political past, starting with the fact that roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor, and allowed it to happen because he wanted to join the War and he was in a minority for wanting this -- he knew that the pearl harbor situation would kick up a frenzy of patriotism/disgust/"let's git those nips".... look, it's the template for 9/11!! history DOES repeat itself! "if you're not with us, you're against us" (gwbush 2002) |
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I gotta say, I was beyond annoyed when I heard about them killing the Canadians... and really, did Bush even give a public apology? I never saw it if he did... |
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he did..... EVENTUALLY like 2 days later i think and even now..... now that they KNOW that the pilot disobeyed 2 direct orders NOT to fire he wont necessarily face some punishment |
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i think he's been made VP or something |
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marlowe-im sorry,the WWII thing was an entirely different argument,and you are right about Roosevelt knowing, but it wasnt all about him wanting to enter the war,this just helped provoke it, there were a lot of confirmation problems before the attack(so a lot of people knew it was coming, they just didnt officially recognize the threat, hence the lack of preparedness) the point about history i was trying to make is, a lot of people peg the US like it is the demon on earth when all governments make these mistakes, throughout history it is evident, and you should expect innocent casualties in all wars, bush should get off his lazy ass and issue an apology, but thats my point. dont blame the us, blame the us government. thats all. |
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why are you talking about with innocent casualties in war? is that a good defense why the US, alone, should decide not to play ball if any of its soldiers are held accountable for any crimes they may commit? that's the only application i can see for your "you should expect innocent casualties..." speech, but if you were referring to something else, then sorry, please tell me what? thanx |
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"and you should expect innocent casualties in all wars" I bet Mr. Bin Laden also used this excuse "dont blame the us, blame the us government" Isn't the US government (more or less)democraticly chosen? Also, I don't see many protesters... |
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it was wrong, but its also wrong to blow this up......like it was to blow up the 9/11 attack hmm...seems its not even the US government doing wrong, it was the fucking pilot.....so why still blaming the US? shouldnt you blame the person who actually committed the crime and went against orders? i think a lot of people are so hurried into blaming the US that they ignore anything else... a country is not the government, the government is part of the country, therefore blame the government, not the country. |
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i could get into a whole argument about the election process,but im not going to im sorry for going against the wind perhaps i should conform. |
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i'm not even referring to the pilot who disregarded direct orders -- altho i'm surprised Bush waited two days, or something, to apologise - after all, the US armyman represents his country...it will be interesting to see what becomes of this individual i'm more interested in the "will only play ball if our soldiers are IMMUNE and ABOVE prosecution" |
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*coughs* I like Aphex Twin |
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"perhaps i should conform." gosh, that really hit deep! :D EVERYONE conforms to SOME thing -- that word is redundant |
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I hope Bush gets killed while doing some major important speach or whatever,.live broadcasted all over the world. 3 bullets through the head,........while I'm watching eating chips. that would b sweet! |
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marlowe-did i ever state ONCE that the soldier should not be prosecuted? and the conformity thing was an attack for you picking me out because i am actually siding with the US(somewhat) on this one. jar-i like.....music ;p |
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hey cretin, as i told you, i'm not referring to that soldier, i'm referring to the US not playing ball unless their soldiers in the east europe/the middle east are immune to prosecution... ...and you are conforming to the US attitude (somewhat) on this one. |
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like you said,conformity is an overused word i choose not to argue to one who insults the other if you want to think you win, fine. i enjoyed this discussion before this. |
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insult? aren't YOU the sensitive one? "cretin" hit a bit close to home? so, when did i say that you didn't think the disobediant soldier should be immune to prosecution? oh, that's right, i didn't... don't worry, i'm not so sensitive as you, so i won't expect a retraction of your implication |
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i choose not to engage myself in apointless personal feud. |
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so, still no retraction then? that's ok, because it's US policy not to retract wrong accusations, and you conform to their attitude (somewhat), so i'm not surprised |
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Have you heard about this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2158497.stm |
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It's fucking war, innocent people get hurt. this is why people don't like it and also why people shouldn't be surprised about these "accidents". You go into war and you should expect everything that goes with it. This is how I feel. |
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i feel that the u.s is the land ofthe dudes. |
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the bombing of Afghanistan wasn't a war it was a massacre. How can you cal the most militarily powerful country in the world bombing the poorest country in the world a war? It wasn't even sanctioned by the UN. And why did the US get rid of evidence? And before you say anything about 9/11, none of the terrorists were Afghans but Egyptians. Would you suggest we bomb N. Ireland? |
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U.S=DORKS |
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the american goverment, the army and rest of the fbi & all that crap is crap...crap! |
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you people are funny ! anon |
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