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offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 08:44 [#00282594]
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sup audio-ware collectors,..........

lately I've been struggling 2 begin on some new tracks. I
don't know maybe it's because of the summer,..or I'm just
lacking motivation right now.

After all,.I made over a 100 tracks last year,...so I guess
I need a vacation.

I'd like 2 know what U guyz do ,.when facing
"writers-block".?

Also when making music I drafted away from the faster BPM
150 to 96,...whats the BPM U usely Use for tracks?

Is there a magic IDM BPM range ,I haven't thought of yet?

RZPCT


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 08:47 [#00282600]
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I wonder that myself. here's some things:

doing something really fun with friends
taking pictures
going for a walk or drive, especially somewhere new
writing poetry (or doing something else creative - sometimes
it helps your musical creativity for you to be creative, but
not musically)
watching movies, especially foreign ones (they're usually
more uplifting and inspiring)
smelling perfumes/incense/candles/etc.
thrift stores. :)


 

offline aron from saskatoon (Canada) on 2002-06-24 08:50 [#00282602]
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there was a time not long ago where i was suffering from
hardcore writer's block.
i couldn't really do anything about it, so i just stopped
makig songs for a while, and i just experimented with sound
and stuff.
now i'm slowly comming back and begining to write some ok
music again.

i just let it be.. if i can't write a song, i can't.
just go and do something different for a while.

as for the bpm thing, i'm sure it's different for everyone,
but my range is anywhere from 85 to about 450bpm.
lately i've been doing stuff at about 190.


 

offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 08:52 [#00282603]
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I'm still searching when creating music,.2 some magic
style,.that'll get me a deal immediately,..

ok,.I know that'll prolly won't happen,..
I still care 2 much what other peeps think of my music.
Maybe when I don't give a fuck anymore what a labelboss will
think,..I'll make better music(?)

Anywayz,..I'm thinking of creating some less underground
shit under another name. Fuckit I'll do some Hip Hop tracks
for my brother and some 2 step for my girly,......


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-24 09:01 [#00282613]
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When you get "writer's block" whatever that's supposed to
be, don't take there advice and do social things in the real
world, it's useless. Instead just create half-assed music
you don't like on purpose, try to annoy yourself, do
anything as long as you don't leave the computer screen.
There's no ideal idm beat range, the term idm was a label
that obviously wasn't created by autechre or someone that
knows what the hell they're doing. They could just make a
genre "weird music" I don't see much flaw in that, other
than subjectivity as usual. I hope my feedback was entirely
useless, one thing you could try is not reading other
people's useless crap and make music with that time instead.
Of course I'm a hipocryte, which is that element that
superman is vulnerable to.


 

offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 09:05 [#00282619]
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Hehe,......

"Instead just create half-assed music"

I've been doing that without "writers-block"! No but
seriously Superman is cripple now


 

offline od_step_cloak from Pleth (Australia) on 2002-06-24 09:06 [#00282622]
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yep, go outsdie and get drunk with friends.
gettign stoned is good too.

also just playign with sound textures and that.
make lots of new soudns and then try to use them.

or just get drunk.

the worst thing to do is to try and force somethign good.
it's fuckgin impossible.

if you go away and dont write for ages, usualyl you compile
lots of ideas, which is cool.


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 09:10 [#00282625]
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yeah getting drunk is great for inspiration, because you
just don't give a fuck enough to nitpick with whether
something's good. make sure to record it though, or at least
save the files (if you're too drunk, get a friend to do it
or something).


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-24 09:10 [#00282626]
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Well the stuff I heard quite awhile ago (well I'm not good
at mentally measuring time, it might have been 4 years or 2
weeks ago...) was quite good from what my brain remembers,
but my brain has a weird habit of modifying memories, making
good ones bad and vice versa. I can't think of anything
interesting to say now.


 

offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 11:20 [#00282816]
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more tips please


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-06-24 11:56 [#00282912]
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well.... I use different BPMs but I usually just use 120.
For now - anyway.

But uh, when I get the "writers block" I usually just dont
think about it and know that since its something I like to
do and dont FORCE myself to do, that ill regain the
want to make more music again, sometimes ill make a
track and pump it out within a few nights or so, but then
ill start something and think about it differently when I
come back to it a week or two later. I figure, as I used to
do with my old hardcore/punk band, when writing or creating
a song or piece to a song, there should be no schedual
{goddamn spelling}, or specific time goals. So Ill always
know that ill make something out of what I want soon enough.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-06-24 12:02 [#00282926]
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Usually I write music in the 180 - 400 bpm range, but its
always in half or quarter time, so it usually comes out
sounding about 90 - 200 bpm. Really lets you texture you
beats nice and such.

Altho lately I have been slowing it down drasticaly.

What I normally do when blocked is to do other things, like
remixing, remastering, polish up some old trax I don't like,
set a goal to produce a certain amounts of minutes worth of
finish music within a week without giving any thought to
quality. Stuff like that. Testing out different styles of
music also works.


 

offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 12:02 [#00282927]
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I once (years back) analysed my favorite jungle track by
writing down the bpm rate + time signatures of the track
build up.

so lets say 0.00-1.09 intro
1.09-1.56 beat + pad etc etc,....but of course more
elaborated then this example.

It was the circles track from Adam F,...I love the
progression in melody,..so I wanted 2 emulate and analyse
his track.

Maybe a good idea 2 do the same with Aphex Twin,.not 2
become a clone but 2 learn stuff.


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2002-06-24 12:05 [#00282931]
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I usally use tempo 400+bmp...often 600-700...but i don't
recommend it...it causes bad overview...


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-24 12:06 [#00282933]
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Ive been doing some ambient stuff at 40 BPM....it turned out
really good. i got a nice string movement with dolphin
noises. I wish you could hear it


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-06-24 12:38 [#00282985]
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I usually make sounds in synth programs when I can't
actually compose. That way when it comes to writing the next
song, you have some new instruments ready.


 

offline Monumrnt from To (Canada) on 2002-06-24 12:48 [#00283000]
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BPM?
Sorry I calculate the things in mili-seconds/sample. So,
1.333 is my favourite.


 

offline Wizard MaC from Amersfoort (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 12:54 [#00283006]
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BTW Ceri JC, I often do the same thing as you do: creating
sounds when I have a lack of composing creativity. Music &
sounds are an almost endless way of joy...

Some time ago I had a writer's block,
but creating music is my absolute fav thing to do so I
started to remix some songs I like, while thinking "I've
made so my much creative songs last years, so why shouldn't
I use stuff made by others to do something creative with?!"
resulting in 2 totally insane remixes...
Short time after that (after I passed my exams!!!) the
inspiration and motivation where back again. And better than
ever!
I experienced an explosion of creativity resulting in about
9 awesome songs, meant to finish my new cd.

Last time most of my tracks are between 120 and 165 BPM.Not
too slow not too f a s t

I like walking in nature, just to experience that little
thing called peace

I also like painting; especially intuitive

I have loads of weird stories and poems and comics made by
me and other people. I really got my own special sense of
humour: most people just don't get it when they read a comic
of me.
They just keep staring at it and say "ehmm, what's the
point? What do you mean with this?"



 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2002-06-24 12:56 [#00283010]
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when i don't feel like making making music, i don't. i go
out. or i'll take few days off. you have a new approach to
it when you come back.


 

offline Wizard MaC from Amersfoort (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 13:08 [#00283029]
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Fat Kaimo: I agree with that.
Some weeks ago we went to London with school. Before that
trip I had the intention to create "uptempo space-energetic
music". After that trip I wanted something more "downtempo",
just more relaxed while still sounding "space".


 

offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 19:37 [#00283489]
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ah,.remixing this track from Slemper will give me some
inspiration,......I'm down with O.P.P. (other peoples
productions)


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 19:42 [#00283492]
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anybody recommend any hardware for drill-&-bass, idm-type
stuff?


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 19:43 [#00283493]
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i've used cooledit for precision editing & writing songs &
such but it takes much too long


 

offline hannibal from United Kingdom on 2002-06-24 19:43 [#00283494]
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if im decided to make some tune, i usually am more motivated
when i'm busy doing other things, like when i don't have
much time for it. rather than if i'd have a whole afternoon
for it or something.
wierd.


 

offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-24 19:43 [#00283495]
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get some samplers,...(personally I'm a software head tho)


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 19:43 [#00283496]
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a sequencer w/ decent resolution and a sampler.

or buzz/modplug/any tracker software


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 19:44 [#00283498]
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hannibal, I have that some phenomena...I tried to figure out
how that works, but I couldn't.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 19:46 [#00283499]
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actually i'm prolly best off with a mac laptop for that
kinda stuff


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 19:50 [#00283505]
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well, yeah if you wanna make glitchy stuff w/ real time
software like max/msp. but you're just as fine w/ a PC for
making drill&bass...it's really not all that processor
intensive, you're talking about just samples being sequenced
at high speeds, which can be done even on earlier pentiums.
well maybe not too early. :p
seriously though, you can really get by with just a sampler
and a sequencer, especially if you're just going for
drill&bass. the total investment can be as cheap as about
$250 (think: RY-30 and Yamaha TX16w/Akai S900, etc.)


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 19:51 [#00283509]
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in fact, mu-ziq used an RY-30 for some of his stuff, so that
would make the total investment as cheap as $100, as long as
you can put up with the built in sounds :)


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-06-24 19:54 [#00283511]
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Wow! Are you from the future?


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 19:55 [#00283513]
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NANU NANU!


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 19:56 [#00283515]
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i consider milliseconds also


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 19:58 [#00283516]
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if you're that anal retentive, then you'll have to put up
with sound editors (and little real-time control). you can
edit more minute than milliseconds within a sampler (that
is, with a sampling rate above 1000hz :p)


 

offline wildrover from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-24 19:59 [#00283521]
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plug, the only thing i can say is..... listen to none of
these suggestions, and all of these suggestions. take your
own road, and one day you'll find the way. everyone has
their own way of removing their blocks, mine was getting
drunk, that unfortuneatly has killed all ambition now, and
my creativity is all but lost.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-06-24 19:59 [#00283522]
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I'm reading you like an open book. I have foreseen your
beliefs that you thought I was addressing you, license.
Closer examination of my post will reveal the "follow up to
Monumrnt" :)

Another tip: Add another LFO to every patch used.

-P


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 20:00 [#00283523]
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well, u kno me!


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 20:02 [#00283527]
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yeah, find your own way. I've just found that doing
everything sitting in front of a computer screen gets
dull...so instead, I stand in front of 5 little
green
computer screens! :)
seriously though, it's easier to squeeze realtime control
out of gear than it is a computer. but if absolute and total
dicatatorship over your music is what you want, then
computers are fab.


 

offline hepburnenthorpe from sydney (Australia) on 2002-06-24 20:59 [#00283588]
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if im in a slump, i usually just revert to making sounds /
textures. pull out absynth, and just get into making banks
of sounds. nto concentrating on sequencing anything together
for a while is usefull. plus, when you do get back around to
making stuff youve got a heaps of new sounds to do so with.

use your time wisely.

of course going out and getting pissed with my mates is
allways a good option too!


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 21:02 [#00283593]
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at best i think making music should be enjoyable


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 21:03 [#00283595]
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when u go downright experimental things can get interesting
=)


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 21:05 [#00283599]
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yeah, but you have to keep it listenable (at least by your
standards), otherwise you realise you're just making shit
that's weird for the sake of being weird and it gets
tiresome. boring even.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 21:07 [#00283601]
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if it pleases u, that's all that matters


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 21:09 [#00283603]
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that's what I mean.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 21:11 [#00283606]
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and when i say experimental i mean that strategically, got
as a genre


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 21:12 [#00283607]
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not*


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 21:14 [#00283608]
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I know what you meant, and I think experimenting is good and
conducive to creativity. but what I meant is that you also
have do do things that actually sound good(at least
to you) if you want to keep yourself interested.
otherwise you feel like you're just churning out weird,
useless shit.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-24 21:15 [#00283609]
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key word: interesting

=)


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-24 21:24 [#00283618]
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yes. a balance between harmony and dissonance, the familiar
and the strange.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-25 01:19 [#00283858]
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the only way you will get over 'writers block' is to accept
that you will never get over it and you just as well do
whatever artistic things turn you on as a laugh anyway.
Writers block comes from giving too much of a fuck what
other people think - i know it sounds obvious and cliched
but the sooner you learn only to do the things you like
without mentally prejudging yourself according to what you
think others will think of what you are making, the sooner
you will get 100% kicks out of 'just doing it'... I know
this sounds patronising as fuck man, but I'm sorry, its the
way it is. Just go ahead and make shit music or something
and classify it as noise ;)


 


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