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offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 19:08 [#00270947]
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ok several questions.

1. Do you think there are any real music geniuses that are
around today?

2. people consider all these classical composers genius,
like mozart, bach, beethoven etc etc. Do you think aphex
twin, or anyone else for that matter will be remembered this
way? are they the equivilant to the older ones?

3. If the composers from the past where born in this time,
what style of music do you think theyd be making?


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-17 19:11 [#00270953]
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Genius is a difficult thing to quantify. But in my
definition I would say that it does exist. The real question
is do you think that the people who survive the test of time
will truly reprisent our generation?


 

offline quivvuulum from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 19:13 [#00270956]
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do you think any musician can be compared to einstein? no
then no musician is a genius


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-17 19:13 [#00270958]
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I don't think richard is a genious. A very good musician,
but not a genious... not by a mile...


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 19:14 [#00270959]
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how do you mean?

do mean, that the people that are credited as genius, in the
future, are people we dont really care for ... like god
forbid britney spears?


 

offline quivvuulum from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 19:16 [#00270961]
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genius is all about paradigm shifts in the way we view the
world, no musician has ever done that


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-06-17 19:17 [#00270965]
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There is genious, and there is: musical genious.

Richard is definately a musical genious. I consider him just
as good as beethoven, bach, etc.


 

offline uzim on 2002-06-17 19:18 [#00270968]
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1. all depends on what you call a genius... i don't really
have an opinion about this :)

2. aphex twin will be remembered some time, but not like
classical music geniuses... these will probably never be
forgotten. aphex will someday. :(

3. maybe they just wouldn't make music at all :)
but i don't see any problem with them trying to make
electronic music for example... it wouldn't suprise me at
all :)
(it would surprise some classical fans who think classical
music is the only "real" music... arrogant bastards ;))


 

offline quivvuulum from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 19:19 [#00270972]
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classical music pisses all over IDM though, check out philip
glass for example


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 19:22 [#00270979]
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i think id have to say RDJ is a genius

he really pushed boundries and did stuff no one else did.

and he did it well

in addition, he also made ALOT of material.

Quality, and Quantity!

i dont know if he will be remembered though.

but then again... how do we know who will? will the famous
avante garde people be remembered? they did new things, but
they dont a mass public audience (just like RDJ)... so will
they be overlooked?


 

offline quivvuulum from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 19:25 [#00270981]
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no way jose! even mozart isn't considered a genius!


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 19:26 [#00270984]
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yes he is!

he composed all of his work in his head

he went to a symphony by someone else, went home, and
transcribed the entire peice from memory, without flaw

thats genius man


 

offline quivvuulum from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 19:27 [#00270987]
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zeus, you misunderstand the term genius, he was very gifted,
but no genius


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 19:28 [#00270991]
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there are different types of genius

he was a musical genius

he wasnt einstein genius. einstein was a scientific genius


 

offline uzim on 2002-06-17 19:29 [#00270994]
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quivvuulum... genius is something subjective, no one can
definitely affirm "this man is a genius, this one isn't"...


 

offline quivvuulum from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 19:29 [#00270995]
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whatever


 

offline uzim on 2002-06-17 19:30 [#00270996]
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then let it be... :)


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-06-17 19:34 [#00271006]
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there so many different types of intelligence, and therefore
so many different types of genius - mozart had the genius of
being able to listen complicated polyphonic works, return
home and write out the musical score note for note,
perfectly... for example, whilst a youngster, he was invited
to the Vatican, where he heard Allegre's miserere: at the
time, not permitted to be played outwith the vatican --
mozart returned home after hearing it and wrote it out --
now that's what i call genius (volume 1)


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 19:35 [#00271009]
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exactly!


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-06-18 00:45 [#00271650]
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i have a real weakness for brilliant music made by brilliant
people!


 

offline Salma Hayek on 2002-06-18 00:50 [#00271668]
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genius can mean someone who excels in a certain field beyond
many others in the same field ....so u don't have to be a
scientist to be a genius...you could be a creative or
musical genius...
if Mozart was alive i think he probablly would've put to use
synths and samplers in his music...if he was a true genius
like they say he probablly would've wanted to use the
infinite number of sounds and possibilities electronics can
provide in his music...

Richard James IS a genius


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 00:51 [#00271671]
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well, for what ever tits worth, i have a weakness for
brilliant music too

hahahaha get it?

tits worth
its worth
your name is ti- oh nevermind


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-06-18 02:33 [#00271799]
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keep in mind a lot of the composers revered as geniuses
today weren't popular or appreciated until their death


 

offline jingle from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 02:44 [#00271812]
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in terms of the actual definition of a genius (i.e. an IQ of
150 or above) i'd have to guess yes, he is: whether he is as
naturally musically gifted as some great composers i doubt
it, but he is probably a better writer than most classical
musicians: lots of classical music only sounds impressive
because it is being played by an orchestra


 

offline jingle from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 02:47 [#00271815]
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oh yeah, motzart was socially inept and strange, and motzart
failed most of his exams cos they were both too weighted
towards one particular skill...


 

offline Spookyluke from United States on 2002-06-18 03:14 [#00271844]
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I think history will remember: The Beatles; Nirvana; Whoever
comes along and sparks the next big thing.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-06-18 03:17 [#00271849]
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i actually believe richard and thom yorke are the greatest
musical geniouses EVER


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-18 03:22 [#00271857]
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um jingle.
yr brain fell out yr bum.

'lots of classical music only sounds impressive
because it is being played by an orchestra'

guess who scored the whole fricking orchestra?

my IQ = 182
IQ means nothing.



 

offline jingle from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 03:34 [#00271891]
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ok then, try playing a symphony on a shitty old sound card
then: it sounds like shit: then try it with certain pieces
and it sounds wicked: give me a healthy royal wage, a
harpsichord and loads of paper and i could do that shit
easy: go download a classical music midi file and take it
apart and you will see how cruddy the harmonies are at
times...


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 03:36 [#00271896]
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dude... your killin me

*composition major*

:)


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-18 03:38 [#00271899]
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McCartney is a genious, although that was in his youth...
but he's alive, at least.

I think Aphex Twin is a genious... I don't think Autechre
are, even though I like them more, I think. They're too
static. Even though they go further and improve, I mean, are
they REALLY going much further? Hell, EP7 freaks me out and
feels more fucked up than Gantz Graf. And it's still the
same ''machine-pshycho-lack of emotion IS an emotion''
stuff.

Richard does it all, and does it all well, a jack of all
trades, darlin'.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-18 03:39 [#00271901]
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Boards of Canada dammit!!!! :)


 

offline Spookyluke from United States on 2002-06-18 03:39 [#00271902]
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IQ is measured on a scale of 0-170. 170 is the highest
attainable score. That's how it works. The Unabomber hit
170; many people have--one cannot get a higher score than
that by a legitimate IQ test.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2002-06-18 03:41 [#00271905]
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"genius is all about paradigm shifts in the way we view the

world"

Substitute "music" for "world" and you will have a musical
genius, which is what RDJ has done so he is a musical
genius.


 

offline Kryocera from Plano, TX (United States) on 2002-06-18 09:16 [#00272126]
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I...
I am GENUIS


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-06-18 10:00 [#00272174]
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what is afs' IQ anyway?

who the heck is nirvana? ive heard of them but not actually
heard them.

and as for the term genious- i beleive it is totally a
matter of opinion- people with a high iq could sit on their
asses all their life, a high intellegence doesnt make u a
genious....inventing something or changing someones view on
life might be, but again its your own opinion and experience
if soeone had changed your life or not.....in my opinion afx
is not a genious, but i wont object to anyone saying he is.


 

offline uzim on 2002-06-18 11:05 [#00272278]
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...never heard nirvana Bob Mcbob?

are you serious? :)


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-18 11:06 [#00272282]
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hahaha BOB, you gotta be kidding me. EVERYONE'S HEARD OF
NIRVANA!


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-06-18 11:10 [#00272288]
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are they some rock band?


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2002-06-18 11:15 [#00272296]
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I fucking hope for your fucking sake that your fucking
kidding....you are, right?


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-06-18 11:45 [#00272330]
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Hey Bob! Have you heard of the Beatles?
some old group out of England....
:-P


 

offline quivvuulum from southhampton (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 11:49 [#00272336]
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BTW its Genius NOT Genious


 

offline Steamtank from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-06-18 13:57 [#00272489]
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autechre are definitely music geniuses- their sound is the
sound of future. "confield" and richard's "saw 2" are
symptoms of musical genius- 2 most important and difficult
albums not only of modern electronica.


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-18 14:29 [#00272532]
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spookyluke: i don't know what interent IQ iest site you got
yr info from, but IQ isn't capped at 170!
there have been a few individuals who have scored around
200.

jingle: you have a lot to learn, and i highly doubt that
even with a sound card you could right a symphony that had
one tenth the intimacy and stellar power of any of the
weakest composer's.
kindly remove yr head from yr arse.

genius is a relative term.



 

offline progeriak from belgium boarder (France) on 2002-06-18 14:45 [#00272562]
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hmm Jimi Tenor?
Vincent Gallo ?


 

offline wizards teeth from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 16:16 [#00272744]
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I laugh when sports people are called geniuses.

In the paper I work for Rivaldo was called a genius cos he
chested the ball down and turned and scored with his left
foot.

I practices all day and is a left footed player. This is
simply a machanical movement of the body.

Genius my arse !


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 16:41 [#00272837]
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I don't think RDJ is a true genius musically

maybe a genius of his image and marketing more like

still, very very talented guy


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-06-19 22:01 [#00275605]
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no im not joking and i think u miss understand me...i have
heard of them, obviously, ive just never heard any of their
stuff....im surprised at your reaction....getting a horrable
feeling im missing something important


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-19 22:05 [#00275613]
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you are!
they're THE grunge rock legend


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-06-19 22:14 [#00275630]
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grunge rock? ah good im not missing anything then.

and yes i do listen to the beetles occasionally


 


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