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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-07 23:53 [#00255226]
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ok, in AOTC, anakins mom is all tied up.
now what i want to know is what they did to her.
was she being raped? i mean, she was tied face down. what else would they do with her?
isnt rape like, alittle dark for mr lucas, and his pg movie?
-Zeus
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nacmat
on 2002-06-07 23:57 [#00255236]
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I got a better question:
who is anakin´s father? cos her mother says in the episode I that he has no father.... is she virgin mary or what?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-07 23:58 [#00255239]
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well, if my observation is correct... then no, she isnt anymore
-Zeus
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2002-06-07 23:59 [#00255242]
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i never saw starwars but i see its very popular on this mb
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 00:00 [#00255243]
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That I too found a little weird
That whole thing in Episode 1, where she's like "One day he just popped out!" or something
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-08 00:02 [#00255245]
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ohhh ok ok, get THIS
if he was fatherless, reflecting jesus,
then mr lucas must not be a christian, cause anakin goes evil, and HE MUST THINK JESUS IS EVIL
and such
-Zeus
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nacmat
on 2002-06-08 00:04 [#00255246]
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I want someone really into this to answer my doubt
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 00:05 [#00255247]
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Jedi Chris has no doubt read the novel, where is he....?
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 00:14 [#00255256]
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Anakin may hav been made by cloning a Jedi, and then letting him grow up and mature from a child to an adult.
I've been reading Star Wars Episode 9 lately, and Grand Admrl Thrawn tells his 2nd in charge of his plans.... they being what i mentioned above. His 2nd in charge, Captain Palleon (sp.), even refers to "clone war methods" in his response.
haha, i sound like a star wars nerd now! :-)
So maybe Anakin is a clone. Even though he does hav a mother... hmmm. still possible!
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plugexpert
from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-06-08 00:16 [#00255257]
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I just wanna say:
may the force b with U for me 2 poop on!
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-08 00:24 [#00255264]
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may the force be with you so you're not constipated.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 00:36 [#00255280]
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In the novel, which goes into a lot more detail, she gets kidnapped and tortured quite badly by the Tuskens.
I'd highly recommend you get the novel and read it. There is a lot more in it. It goes into the detail of how Cliegg Lars goes after her with his gang of mates, and there is a lot more detail of Anakin killing all of the Tuskens too!
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 00:37 [#00255282]
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That is a very good question.....one of which I am not sure of the answer.......it sounded very much like the 'virgin mary' story didn't it!
I will put my thinking hat on....and get back to you on that one! :)
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 00:40 [#00255283]
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Anakin isn't a clone, that much is for certain.
What you refer to as Episodes 7,8 and 9 with Grand Admiral Thrawn - they are not officially Episodes 7, 8 and 9 - merely follow on/spin off stories that were licenced by LucasFilm.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 00:53 [#00255299]
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authorised by lucasfilm tho :-)
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 00:58 [#00255303]
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Yes....but very doubtful that they would ever be official Episode's.
'Star Wars' the story, was just meant to be about the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. ROTJ completes that story.
Don't get me wrong, I think it'd be good to have more.....and I think that MArk Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher have ages sufficiently to reprise such roles.....but I wouldn't hold your hopes though!
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 01:11 [#00255315]
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there were officially 9 episodes, i remember mr.lucas saying so in an interview - i think, hope! :-)
Yeah, i wish they had made an extension after ROTJ. I love all the bits afterwards, with Rogue Squardron, Mara Jade, Thrawn, C'Boath and so on. I think that the New Republic being situated in the Imperial palace on Coruscant a bit weird, it makes my back tingle when i read it - it makes me think of Palpatine, haha, i get too into it!
At the end of ROTJ u get to see Coruscant, im sure, when it shows all the people celebrating :-)
Oh cay, i need something cleared up! Was there an animated series about the ewoks? I'm sure i remember something like that!
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 01:15 [#00255316]
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oh, and i read that Mara Jade is actually in ROTJ, at Jabba's Sand Barge thingy! I cant see her. She's apparently trying to kill Luke Skywalker - her misson as set by the Palpatine.
Has anyone spotted her?
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 01:41 [#00255333]
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Jedi Chris, I've done some digging and I now understand what u mean by Zahn's novels being something different to the film. I always believed that Zahn based them on something that Lucas had made, obviously I have been misguided somewhere along the lines! Hmmm,im sure there's 9 episodes tho.... oh well, its late and I've got a music course tomorrow, n'nite!
(I've replied 3 times consecutively, now it looks like I'm a total loner!)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-08 01:46 [#00255337]
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I am here with you han solo
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nacmat
on 2002-06-08 02:16 [#00255349]
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other question:
is sifo dyas the same as sido dyas??
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nacmat
on 2002-06-08 02:17 [#00255350]
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if they are different, who went to kamino to order a clon army?
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-06-08 11:31 [#00255595]
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Anakin was created by the Mididclorins(sp?) or the force , inside Shmi Skywalker.
The Force is his father.
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-06-08 11:32 [#00255597]
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the force is his father...im a big starwars fan but that is stupid...the force is hes father hahahahha!!!!!!!
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nacmat
on 2002-06-08 11:35 [#00255600]
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yea that is what they say in the EP 1 but man what an explanation! I thought there should be something less fantastic or less alike the holy spirit
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-08 13:00 [#00255660]
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there is a scene in episode 1 where qui gon jinn hypothesises that anakin must have been conceived by midichlorians. i think that was supposed to keep us happy.
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-08 15:14 [#00255772]
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there is one thing that really amazes me, it's how stupid jedi's are. yada keeps mentioning that the prophecy of the chosen one who will bring balance to the force. there are shit loads of jedi's and 2 sith. if the chosen one will bring balance it's obvious he's not going to be good.
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-08 15:15 [#00255773]
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yada = yoda
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nacmat
on 2002-06-08 15:19 [#00255777]
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hahahaha nice point of view.
about anakin´s father, I still want a better explanation
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-08 15:27 [#00255788]
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midichloians man, midichlorians
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core
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 22:03 [#00256251]
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dooku is anakin's clone-father. sorry to spoil episode III for you. oh, and qui-gon jinn turns out to have been a sith. and chewbacca is the father of lando and leia. and nien nunb is the guy who created the solo wars, and he piloted the millennium dome with doctor spock from star treks.
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-08 22:17 [#00256279]
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another episode III spoiler: DA SOOCHA V
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 22:26 [#00256285]
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"chewbacca is the father of lando and leia."
lol
i love it when ppl make it obvious :-)
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 22:55 [#00256331]
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Do you feel way out of your depth here?
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 22:56 [#00256332]
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This could be Tatooine couldn't it?
http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid =328442
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 23:01 [#00256340]
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The hoopla over the The Phantom Menace, the last Star Wars movie, largely faded without any mention of one of the most remarkable facts it revealed. Namely that The Force, or at least the power to tap into it, is already inside all of us. It is a molecule that Earth's biochemists have known about for many years. It's ATP, or adenosine triphosphate, the fundamental carrier of energy in the human body.
You say you missed that part?
It comes late in the film, when Qui-Gon Jinn, the Liam Neeson character, takes a blood sample from little Anakin Skywalker, the kid who will grow up to be Darth Vader, in whom The Force, as we know, is very strong. When the blood is analyzed, it turns out to have a midiclorian count way off the scale.
You still with me?
This is how we get to ATP. Midiclorians, as Jinn explains, are microscopic creatures that long ago took up residence in the bodies of humans and all other creatures. They're symbiotic organisms that live in all our cells.
As it happens, all human cells really do contain symbiotic organisms that took up residence in the dim evolutionary past. This is a story that biologist Lynn Margulis has been explaining for many years. These symbiotic organisms are the size of bacteria, quite a bit smaller than regular cells, and they contain their own DNA. They even reproduce inside our cells, dividing just as bacteria do. Cell biologists know them as mitochondria. The singular is mitochondrion - apparently a recent corruption of the term midiclorian used long, long ago.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 23:02 [#00256342]
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Mitochondria are the energy sources of all cells that aren't bacteria to begin with - the cells of animals, plants, fungi and protozoans. They really are an energy source that pervades the living world, supplying the force that makes our bodies function. That power is packaged in the molecule ATP. When mitochondria make this molecule, they extract the energy from food and repackage it into the molecular structure of ATP.
Food's energy comes in all kinds of different chemical bonds depending on what you had for breakfast. Mitochondria contain the apparatus to process those diverse sources of chemical energy and repackage it into one convenient form, ATP, that is distributed throughout the cell to power hundreds of different kinds of chemical reactions that make up metabolism.
Think of ATP as a microscopic battery that can be used to power muscle contraction, DNA replication, nerve impulses - all the things the cells in your body do.
Now, of course, Qui-Gon doesn't actually use the term ATP. No doubt they had a different word for it so long ago and far away. But that's clearly what is meant by The Force. So, in actual fact, The Force is with all of us.
Many avid Star Wars fans were upset by this revelation in the movie. Even beforeThe Phantom Menace opened, Web sites and chat groups were abuzz with rumors about midiclorians as a symbiotic, sub-microscopic race that lives in people, and only through this species can you feel The Force.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 23:02 [#00256343]
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Fans said George Lucas had ruined their concept of The Force. They wanted it to be a mystical thing and not a piece of scientifically explainable, biochemical machinery. As one fan wrote of midiclorians, ''This feels sooooo wrong, sooooo unright, sooooo non-in touch with the force. I just don't see the need in it, and ultimately it only brings harm.''
A similarly innocent belief has surrounded Earthly life, beginning in the distant past and, despite the promulgation of cell theory in the early 1800s and increasingly mechanistic explanations of life throughout this century, it has not entirely died out. The belief, a philosophical stance called Vitalism, holds that life at its most fundamental core can never be understood or explained because it relies upon supernatural phenomena involving a spirit or soul, without which we are just lumps of clay. To expire is to release the spirit or to give up the ghost.
The fact is that biologists who study cells and genes can explain a great many of the processes that give rise to life in cells and in those aggregates of trillions of cells - human beings. Life is not more mysterious than the chemical reactions on which it is based. Those reactions are all logical, all understandable. No sign of any mystical phenomenon has turned up in the study of how life works.
The Force is with us all, and it can be understood right down to the behavior of the subatomic particles of which life is made.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 23:03 [#00256344]
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This may give you a bit more information Nac!
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-06-08 23:06 [#00256349]
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WOOKIES DON'T LIVE ON ENDOR! :mimicing voice: wiikies din live in indir!
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-06-08 23:09 [#00256351]
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thats kind of extreme, chris
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-08 23:09 [#00256352]
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in the original concept they did.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 23:09 [#00256353]
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What?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-06-08 23:11 [#00256356]
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i'm sure the reason that mr lucas didn't clear everything up completely is so that people can WONDER. wonder is one of the greatest things ever! you can make up your own ideas about who fucked anakins mom! maybe it was obi won! and luke is his gran' baby! i don't know why i got so angry. but seriously, you guys should chill out a teensy bit
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-06-08 23:13 [#00256358]
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the 3 posts of information, that was kind of extreme
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 23:13 [#00256359]
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errrrrrr.... lots of reading! oh well... scan reading it is!
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 23:16 [#00256362]
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Did you expect anything less of me? ;)
.....its gives a good description!
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-08 23:32 [#00256369]
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heh :-)
and i found out that i didnt imagine the animated series of the ewoks! its soo cool :-)
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-06-08 23:34 [#00256373]
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Yeah the Ewoks cartoon and 'The Droids' were quite cool in there day!
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