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I'll be the first to admit I know SHIT ALL about current affairs, the whole war on terrorism thing going on here and abroad. I tune out the evening news and CNN and all that. But the whole Daniel Pearl thing has come to my attention... the propaganda video (if indeed it's real) that surfaced with him saying ''My family is a Jew, I'M a Jew'' etc, then being beheaded on tape... CBS aired part of the tape. Not the murder, of course... imagine what his family must feel, wow... It's so sick... it's like a rallying cry to recruit more anti-American assholes... and the people over there (I think it was Pakistan? Muslim extremists killed him) LOVE IT... they wish THEY were the ones that killed the poor guy. Fucking animals... As sick as America can be, I can't imagine Bush sending a video like that to the terrorists, torturing one of them... and I SURE can't imagine Americans flooding the streets excited and happy about it... inspired by it. 99.99% of them would be repulsed. This post isn't going anywhere, I just wanted to say it really pisses me off, the fucking madness over there. I also get really pissed off for Pearl's family, having to see that video... just imagine seeing your brother or son or someone in that situation, knowing it was minutes or seconds before some absolute piece of SHIT decapitates him. If my facts are fucked up, I don't care, I don't follow this stuff normally, the whole post was just to vent how annoyed I am. |
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it's a real deal, they found the funky thang on a muslim extremist recruiting web site. the US gov pressured the site to remove the video, but it's popped up elsewhere. let's hope it's not on soulseek or kazaa.. |
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It IS on Kazaa. It's all over the place, apparently... I'm not going to check it, I have NO stomach for that stuff, I cry if I get a paper cut. |
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sick sad world.... :( |
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I deeply sympathies with you on this! There is so much extreme and evil stupidity out there at the moment. But - U know - what goes around comes around... |
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cum on everybody, get down tonight |
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I hate how this world is ran these days. And the mentality of our leaders. Childish, Ruthless Bullshit. Imagine all the undergound cover-ups that go on.. and the people that die. Shit man. I do not agree with america, I just live here. It pisses me off.. so im gonna go smoke a joint. |
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That better not be eminem lyrics. |
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what produced those kind of extremists is the question to ask |
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the united states (sorry, cold, harsh truth) |
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while its not justified on the extremists side, "the USA's forgin policy was the biggest war crime since WW2" (a quote i read somewhere and like very much, i think it was an American congressman that said it) |
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Like the Americans don't act all glorious about their killings. "oh great, we bombed an Iraqi village, all went well, oh glory, we're so brave, Saddam will be pissed". What the hell do you think happens when you see the huge explosions on the ground? We're all barbarians and the world is fucked up and that's all I want to say about this. Now, let's talk about music |
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good point laser, the terrorists chopped off that guys head, but when Americans (apparantly not terrorists because they're working under the goverment of mr Bush) drop a bomb on Afghanistan don't people lose their heads and other body parts too? |
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''What the hell do you think happens when you see the huge explosions on the ground?'' Horrible things happen, naturally. I'm not defending the US or anything, just venting about the unspeakable act they did to Pearl. Hell yeah, Americans kill and main and destroy, but... god, the way they're flaunting it and enjoying it and revelling in it over there... they should be repulsed, but the public love that shit, it inspires them to sign up to fight America. We do evil things, no doubt, but we don't videotape people exploding into bits from our bombs and then distribute the footage to a drooling mob and laugh at it... |
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sorry to bring it up again, but who´s daniel pearl - it wasn´t in the news here in germany ... sounds terribly sad man ... |
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yes, you kill silently and discreetly so you'll have no problem doing it again at a later date when your intrests dictate that it "must" be done... |
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i'm quite disgusted at the tape aswell though i just think this sort of thing can allow Bush to use it as strong propaganda that can justify some more bombing and thats why i emphasis that America's acts are no less brutal than the extremists, probablly much more brutal... |
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Killing is killing is killing. Has anyone heard that sample Coldcut used on Atomic Moog of the guy who dropped the H-bomb on either Hiroshima of Nagasaki? He sounded very pleased with himself. Did you know that some American troops in Vietnam used to go off and masturbate after killing someone? Humans are very dark creatures. I guess this is just as natural as doing something nice for someone, we just don't like to think of things that way. Not that I'm comparing situations here, they're very different. |
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I'm not saying America is innocent... but fuck America, this thread is about a group of men that slit the throat of another man. Not about war, really... more like about human nature, what his family must feel, what HE must have felt... I don't care what provoked these psychos to do it. If I brought up anything about politics and terrorism, it was on a whim, what really got me and made me post this was how human beings could do something like this, not about America being right or wrong. |
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yes Opheks, but bringing up this topic will automatically make people look at the wider picture, causes etc.. and you said that you can't imagine Americans getting all happy over something Bush did which is not true most Americans are perfectly content with the occasional bombing of a country thousands of miles away where numerous civilians die because of it... and not many speak out aganist the US imposed and sponsered sanctions aganist Iraq that slowly starved half a million people to death..or is that not brutal enough? |
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Then I fully agree with you, you are upset about the de-humanisasion, I am worried too, I just wanted to point out that this type of cruelty isn't patented by "the other group of people". We need to look at ourselves too. |
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its sunny out you know |
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People bring politics in because you have to place events in their context. The actions of militants is a direct response to US imperialism and US hegemony. The sanctions that Salma mentioned are a prime example. If children in your region of the world were being slowly murdered by the US you'd respond, maybe not in the most constructive way, but you'd respond nevertheless. |
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Well I knew that this topic could go into broader things than just a guy getting his head cut off. And about the ''happy about death thing''... yeah, Americans want to bomb people, but most Americans (maybe not the Rotten.com/Ogrish crowd) wouldn't want to see it up close, on video... yeah, they're still maybe blind to the facts and have the wrong mentality, but I'm sure they wouldn't cheer and get all giddy... hell, CBS doesn't show the actual death, because it would shock and appall (mostly) everyone. Over there, I bet they show it to 8 year olds... ''this is your enemy, this is what you're gonna do...'' Anyway, I might not have thought out my post well, hell, I didn't even know how to finish it. It's 6:30, I'm half asleep, I'm not fit to type! But my main point was those sickos. Americans can be sick, too, someone else can start a post about them, this is about Muslim extremists. Politics, I guess I should have left them out. |
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Yeah but so-called Muslim extremists exist because of the state terrorism of the US. America is the world's biggest superpower, by accident of history but also by being the most brutal in carving up the world for its interests and bombing states that don't tow the line. You can't talk about the murder of Daniel Pearl without talking about the actions of the US. Nothing comes from nothing. |
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people who cheered after 11 September weren't cheering because people died, but because America finally tasted some of its own poison....i don't know who cheered after pearl died i personally didn't see that on tv but they would be cheering out of bitterness towards America itself..as you say Americans get happy when countries are bombed, its the same as when non-Americans get happy when America is bombed, despite people's deaths...in conclusions the "cheeres" are not blood thirsty monesters they just hate it when their country is bombed or people starved.. |
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Ophecks, I hear you and I know what you're trying to say. But here's my 2 cents: people still believing in a shocking nature of a murdering/ decapitation ritual at least still recognize how fucking disturbing it is, even though they're the ones performing it. People aware that they do the killing but never even get their fingers stained are much, much , much more dangerous. Dude: I spoke of this before but I'll bring it again cause it's very explanatory: during NATO's attacks on yugoslavia in 1999, one american pilot was sent to bomb a convoy of what he was told were serbian army vehicles. The guy closes in on the target and reports that all he can see is a convoy of agriculture vehicles and trailers with old people and children on them (albanian, at that, the very ethnic group NATO tried to protect with this action). He says that this must be a mistake and his HQ just makes him obey the orders. He launches his missiles and there you have it 80+ people roasted to death with a press on a button. Go figure... |
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Alright then... HUMANS are sick... both of these countries need to take a timeout and stop decapitating each other. But like I said... when I wrote the original post... I was... A- tired as fuck B- ANGRY as fuck!!! C- hungry, I can't think straight on an empty stomach. Really too emotional and furious to really think out my post... I know America sucks. People suck. I wasn't thinking politics, I was thinking ''those fucking animals!!!!!'' and then I posted hastily. I posted some things I regret posting now, and got into a calm little argument I didn't want or plan on getting into. All I was thinking at the time was how cruel you have to be to do that to someone and how awful it must be for his family. NOT the circumstances that led up to it... Plus, honestly, I think America is sick, but some of the things they do over there are NOT done here... but hell, maybe vice versa, they see things we do and deem them sick as hell... but I didn't plan on getting into that. Posted by my emotions, not my brains... Anyway, the sun is rising, time to go to bed. :-) I hate it when this happens. |
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bye, who knows....maybe you'll have some nice lucid dreams and wake up with a SAW3 in your head |
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Yeah I heard about that. Some high ranking military bastard can just give an order to kill like he's ordering a coffee and doughnuts. Very dangerous. NATO and the US and my government dressed the war in Kosovo up as a humanitarian effort when Meho's example quite clearly demonstrates the true character of the war. |
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Sleep tight ophecks and we'll be here firmly at each others throats... |
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Well you do do that shit there. What about the people your government fries in electric chairs? |
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its sad how a handfull of Aphex Twin fans can't do much about the injustice except complain about it at this fine message board........ |
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Ah thank you mate, now do the balls. |
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Good night. I don't see you guys online too often because of the time difference, but maybe I'll have another bout of insomnia and bitch and moan about something. :-) Peace. |
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Salma: I wasn't talking about injustice I was more talking about the absurds. If I was per chance given the power of god to sort the things (world political situation etc.) out, I wouldn't know what really to do... It's really tough... Justice, just as truth is, is something we all agree on rather than recognise. |
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love you |
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well Meho i'd love the chance to sort things out, i don't have to be any good, i'll get the people with the highest IQs to do that i'll just provide the will which there seems to be a lack of at the top of our world society.... |
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ehh, the undying belief in intelligence. But it has nothing to do with moral I think... |
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The people at the top don't have the will to change the status quo because they created the mess we find ourselves in because they have always pursued their own interests. Our interests are the opposite of theirs. |
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with you all the way, ophecks. i too was disgusted when i heard about the daniel pearl atrocity. you're right about the differences between the countries' attitudes to this too... over there they're proud of this kind of barbarism. same with the actual WTC sep 11 thing, there were hundreds, thousands, of extremists dancing and celebrating in the streets in pakistan, it was shown on tv over here. the reason this is happening: people living in those countries are effectively living in a different time-line from the rest of us. they may have cars and electricity, but they may as well be living in the middle ages. their values are like mediaeval western values. their religious extremism is like mediaeval england. the little things that make our lives fun, aphex twin, the X-Box, Budweiser, Attack of the Clones, good books, etc all mean nothing to these people. they have nothing of the things that we take for granted as the day-to-day perks and excitements. life is cheap for them. |
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Core, with all due respect, dude, you're being racist. You have X-box and AFX, they have allah and ak-47. Just because you say you "respect life" and they "don't", doesn't make you better in any way. I'm not slagging you off here, see, but this is a typically western shallow attitude. |
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no i'm not being racist. respecting life is better than not respecting it surely? i'm willing to let them live, i have no desire to kill a muslim extremist ever, or anyone for that matter. as far as i'm concerned that makes me better than them. it's nothing to do with 'race'. it's about the value you put on a human life, and respect for other humans. my tolerance and respect for other humans stops when they take other people's lives. so you're wrong. |
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This is what I'm talking about. Racist as in "I'm better than them because______ (fill in the blank)" You imply that your culture is superior ("better") than theirs for whatever reason. That's classic racism. Profound even. I'm not saying you are a bad person or anything, you see, it's just that this superiority complex that many western/ judeo-christian nations/ cultures/ people share really should be recognised for what it is. But I'm not here to fight, I hope you see that. Peace and all that... |
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I appreciate that you don't want to start a fight... but i totally disagree with you, friend. My argument isn't based on any 'fill in the blank' superiority reasoning... It is based on the simple fact that I respect life, I would NEVER kill another human unless it was absolutely necessary in a defensive situation. However, terrorists from Afghanistan are not committing these atrocities as a last-minute defensive solution. How can you cut someone's throat on video, then remove their head on video, then send the tape to the American government, and use a copy of the tape on websites to encourage kids to join your cause, and STILL expect to be respected by intelligent, compassionate human beings around the world? I'm sorry, but your argument is simply playing the race card, and it doesn't make any sense to me. |
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That argument is racist. So Western governments can bomb the hell out of Vietnam, Hiroshima, Irag etc but that's not barbaric? The West has perpetrated the most horrible crimes against humanity and yet we are deemed the 'civilised' world. |
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there is nothing racist about the argument. are you missing my point altogether? |
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Well, OK, stay deaf to my words of wisdom then. No, I'm just kidding, but it's something I already said in this thread: Western people now fight their wars by pushing buttons and destroying whole areas from their comfy armchairs. Not to mention the real war that western economy wages at everyone else. The west killed more people in Iraq with their economic sanctions than with bombs/ bullets. Kids or old, weak people, not people able to change anything within their society. And people in the west think that's kind of OK because at least you're not chopping anyone's head off and showing it on TV. But don't worry, western countries use much more subtler propaganda, I remember that during the NATO strikes against Yugoslavia they showed a lot of massacre scenes on CNN, SKY NEWS and other channels in order to convince everybody that this is something that Serbs do and have to be stopped. And so on... |
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the difference: would people in the west support wars if they got to see video footage of american soldiers executing human beings? not for long i think. |
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