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I actually think i'm buddhist, but maybe i'm more atheist.... |
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Go on! give us a snare rush! |
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i'm an atheist i think. |
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buddhaa *shaolin buddha finga |
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taoism has always had a warm spot with me |
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taosit blockade is offline now ... lucky you |
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I honestly feel very empty, very hollow, lacking in spirit, soul, direction, religion and purpose. |
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I recently joined the Church of Scientology like my hero Tom Cruise. |
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I'm a non-denominational Christian. |
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I have no religion. I have no belief. |
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Meho believes in nihilism. Erm. |
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what's non-denominational, nevermind I can't think and I don't care about the answer. |
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Um, it means I'm not a baptist or a catholic or an anglican or a protestant or whatever... I think all that in fighting is silly so I don't take sides with them, I just say, I'm a Christian. |
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I don't "believe" in nihilism. That's a contradiction in terms. |
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Oh, you walked into that one Meho. You should know me by now. You're a postmodernist really aren't you? |
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Yep, he's a po mo, mo fo. |
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if you don't mind me asking, are you a christian because you were brought into it by culture and nurture, or because you seriously believe in that stuff. a civilization before ours wrote the bible, just people like us but I suppose you know this and are bored of pointless questions. |
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Oh, ne, NOT THE P-WORD, please!!! It is hard to "be" a postmodernist, postmodernism is a state, not an ideology, or belief system you see. |
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I'm a blinkered Trotskyist who whittles everything down to economics and spouts dogmatic diatribes whenever I get the opportunity. Marx said... |
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I was brought up a Christian, but I only really started believing it a few years ago. |
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I'm an inconsistent skeptic Meho: "I have no belief" = a your belief no? |
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I was brought up a Catholic but rejected religion. I beat my parents to death with a hardback copy of Das Kapital when they tried to get me Confirmed. If only they'd listened... |
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Korben: how can having no belief be somebody's belief? Belief (especially religious) needs some effort and my non-belief is just that. I make no effort... |
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im sorta christian. i beleive in God and all that stuff but i dont pray or go to church or anything like that. |
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i beleive in the force! |
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I don't go to church very often either, I see flaws in all the theologies of the major denominations. One of my mates feels the same way, perhaps me, you and him could form our own new Church like Charles Manson did ;) |
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Meho: true, and i don't mean to say that this would be your religion, as this implies too much effort and an institutionalised thing as indeed you point out. but it must be your belief. you can't not believe in anything - because by doing so you believe in not believing in anything: a form of internal inconsistency !! ?? dunno if that made sense? |
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we could be the new mormons! |
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The problem with christian church is they won't let you believe on your own, they want you to believe through church and they have some serious rap to support their opoinion, like "Church is a living body of christ on earth" and so on. Christian mystics of the past who sought obliteration of their ego through life in Christ on their own, without Church being a "mediator" were persecuted... |
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no, I don't think so, Korben. It's like if you'd say that if I say I am going nowhere in pareticular, then I'm going everywhere. But I'm not. Anywhere is not everywhere (maybe this explanation is not too good), but similarly, not believing means just that, "not believing" and not "believing in nothing". Now, does this make any sense? |
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I read recently that the Catholic church is the largest non-governmental organisation in the US - scary! |
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And they are not even the prevalent religion in the US... BTW, everyone check this site's cover page, there's a link to raimons's cover of RDJ's Milkman and it's very funny. Check it out, NOW!!! |
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In all seriousness I think I believe in the human spirit. Its the only thing I can place hope in and the only thing I think anyone can believe in; that and our relationship to nature (not in the tree-hugging way). Its what I see around me in both its creative ways and destructive ways. I believe where the conditions prevail, humans are creative and when they're blocked humans can be very destructive. I believe in creating the conditions to maximize human potential for creativity. |
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meho: mmhh... by saying i'm GOING nowhere in PARTICULAR - doesn't this mean you are GOING anywhere (a particular instance of everywhere?), anywhere is a possible place you end up, as GOING seems to indicate a PARTICULAR destination. ... damn .- now i've got myself in a mess what i mean is, that while you may not preach such a belief (ie a belief in nothing), etc. i still think it exhibits a form of internal inconsistency .. just having trouble explaining it - by asserting "i have no belief" seems to have meaning attached to it, otherwise it would undermine the point of saying it. so what else could this meaning be apart from an expression of your belief - perhaps better to refer to it as your point of view ??? |
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wow, what an outburst of positivity. Well, I don't believe in anything but will admit that human spirit is capable of certain wondeful and certain atrocious things. Transcending the mundane, being it through creating something beautiful, or through inflicting horrible pain on yourself or any other way you like is one of the things that actually make life less dumb. |
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well, this topic paid out nicely, didnt it... |
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Korben, yes, "point of view" or "opinion" would be better, as "belief" denotes something beyond the self, which i reject. |
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In my view of the world I'm always the optimist, in my personal life I'm always the pessimist. Maybe I should get it the other way round. |
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Cheers MEho. That song roxs the beat box. I am zoroastrian as of last night. It is one of the oldest religions and I wish to investigate it further. All things historical interest me whether it be religious ot secular. I' will let you know my findings shortly. |
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yeah .. that's cool .. belief can mean firm opinion (which yours seems to be :) - but yeah, might have been better to translate it to opinion straight away ... count me in! - i've gotta cruise .. |
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quernstone - the first monotheistic religion no? hence it was nietzsche's choice as the character to kill god in thus spoke zarathustra! |
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i get very upset when people just change their religions and bebeife like that..its not a matter of opinion whather God exists or not, either He does or doesnt. you cant change your mind. you cant pick a religion that works for you |
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Bob: I don't even bother thinking whether god exists or not. It's a matter of belief so I don't care. That's why I don't call myself atheistic: I just don't bother. I have a problem with Christian morality and ideology, not with the existence of god. |
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It would help if in this topic, words had agreed meaning. God and religion for example, not that I care to discuss it probably. |
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i'm irresolute... there's nothing i can find which would drive me to believe in a religion in particular, nor to atheism... maybe there's a god, maybe not... i don't know, i happen to pray sometimes, when i feel something, but impressions are just impressions... since i don't have any proof or existence or non-exitence of god and of validity or unvalidity of religions/atheism... i just do what i feel like... i don't feel the need of believing in something ("something" including atheism) :) |
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but I agree that people changing their minds overnite is more often than not a sign of weak and instable character than of a sharp, enquiring mind |
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uzim seems to think along the similar lines as me. Except that I never pray, of course. |
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maybe it's insincere to pray when you're not a real believer... but i don't really feel so, i'm just not having an atheist attitude... maybe god doesn't exist, but maybe there are entities/forces that control us, without being really almighty and all that... and you don't need a religion to believe in something, be it god or whatever... |
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fair enough, man |
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They just announced on the radio that Louis Farrakhan is still banned from Britian. We let Kissinger in last week though. I love this. |
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