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octopi: incel consciousness?
 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 03:20 [#02634173]
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the octopus. the hive mind. the crown is the big boss, and
the tentacles are minions. literal minds of their own, but
they need instructions from the big boss. we wear our thots
on our skin and when we're enraged, everyone sees it loud
and clear -- because it's hard to talk underwater.

the octopus is also sort of you slid the evolutionary fader
all the way from male ants being no more than flying sperm,
who will literally be murdered and thrown out of the hive
once that's been taken care of. that the female octopus is a
sad thing who lives only to be impregnated, give birth, and
then die. neither of these seem like good solutions;
nevermind

octopi are not social creatures. they will sit in their
corners and then literally just kind of throw rocks at each
other and squirt jets. they will juggle other living
creatures in an aquarium because they are bored, and because
they are actually fucking jerks, i suspect. that i think
they are actually incredibly hateful creatures. we could
re-do the sopranos with tony soprano as an octopus

in any case, i posit that elliot rodger was an octopus. what
do you ladies and/or gentlemen have to say of this?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 03:57 [#02634175]
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the incel octopus consciousness, in addition to projectiles
that still work underwater, appreciates incredibly
expensive scented candles. because, in addition to it being
hard to speak underwater, it's hard not to smell things when
you all live in the same pool, and money represents a
human's life force, their anti-entropy, and so you need a
very expensive scent to establish some fucking boundaries
and that candle cost $300 and i'm calling the police and
going on a shooting spree in my bmw

i don't think weasel brain thinks much of incels


 

offline belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2024-03-28 03:58 [#02634176]
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i think i read once that octopuses can solve problems that
are about on the level of what a 4yo child can do. same
thing with crows. and if we're honest, aren't most 4 year
olds assholes?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:09 [#02634177]
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i guess it's more a point like.... an ant colony is a hive
mind, an octopus is a hive mind. male ants are flying sperm.
a female octopus lives merely to create another elliot
rodger

it's a deep point about gender and evolution and information
and i'm thrilled it glues into such a white-hot obnoxious
subject like this. beyond pleased


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:24 [#02634179]
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i've just sat here and worked it out on a pad of paper; if
you ran the incel timeline ahead to quantum technology....
yes, you'd get daleks


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:34 [#02634180]
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i guess the opposite fader end of the incel timeline is the
ant queen timeline; it's the black mirror episode "20
million merits" or however many units it was for the chance
to get stuck in a waiting room and maybe eventually be torn
apart in front of the whole universe by simon cowell. and
here the male energy, bing, is captured and redirected back
into the stability of the system. what the episode did not
cover was when bing's ratings tanked and he was murdered and
thrown out of the hive. if you would like to learn more,
move to china


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:36 [#02634181]
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i see why rodger wilco hates black mirror so much now


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:38 [#02634182]
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the male sexual energy coil spoke of, is that doled out in
milliamp-hours or watts or what?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:52 [#02634183]
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$300 candles that make you feel better about a black mirror
episode. stranger things have been patented


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:57 [#02634184]
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i bet roger wilco wears cologogogenne or however that's
spelled. and perhaps it's even expensive and he has wine
person opinions here


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 04:59 [#02634185]
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and to be fair i think we can all agree: if you don't like
how someone smells, the relationship will never work. no
matter what bodily parts involved or fig leafs to cover up
the actual


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-03-28 12:58 [#02634199]
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have you read Children of Time and Children of Ruin, because
you're mentioning the two main species from those SF-novels:
ants, or rather Portia, because ants also play a significant
role; and Octopi

Octopi are very impulsive. the novel explains them to be
just id. that is: their crown, their reach just do
calculating kind of stuff. not sure that makes them psychos,
though i guess they aren't that far of from it

now mild spoilers
in the Children of Time, in Portia society male liberation
is fought, eventually (eventually, because these animals are
artificially accelerated in their evolution and then their
society evolves over still many generations). in Children of
Ruin no such thing happens with Octopi behaviour. maybe
because the Octopi are biologically limited. in Portia males
are half the size of females, but their not less
intelligent. so the key differences between male and female
Portia boil down to prejudices that can be fought


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-03-28 13:05 [#02634200]
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indeed male Portia are seen as just sacks of sperms, but if
you want to look at it like that, the females are then just
sacks of eggs (they don't gestate)


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 19:18 [#02634206]
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lots of books actually show up because people will listen to
me ramble for ten minutes and then eventually books like
"Musicology" by Oliver Sacks shows up and goddamn this is
going to be full of new ideas. i cannot fucking touch this
it could distract me for weeks.

people are on about ants all over. the late john walker
recommended "the hacker and the ants," which i still have
not read.

so i will probably not get to it, but i know of it now, and
you've said enough for me to arguably address your point
regardless --

i was more talking about the role of gender as a functional
thing in the context of the evolution of intelligence, that
in fact this is what i believe gender actually is. that it
is sort of like the words "yes" and "no" which really mean
nothing without each other to provide an opposite.

here, female is the collectivist, male is the individual,
and these terms are both meaningless without the other as a
contrast. octopusses are extreme individualists at the
expensive of collective cooperation -- to the point where
the individual has become a collective. and at that point
evolution got stuck because it hit a dead end.

human society needs the male to do insane things like
decide, "maybe they're full of shit when they say i'll fall
off the edge of the earth if i sail a boat over there" and
columbus discovers america. aphex twin hides inside an old
computer rack and his wife pretends she doesn't know exactly
where the fuck he is.

if you let things go too far that way, though, it goes elon
musk incel technocratic, the difference between an incel an
elon musk is measured only by degree of success. and then
men go off the deep end building tony stark weapons blowing
each other up and

but if we let the women run rampant it would be "you're not
allowed to synthesizer, that does nothing for the welfare of
the children" and at that point i'm afraid i'd have to cut a
bitch


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 19:19 [#02634207]
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i mean, when tesla was saying "i think women are the future
of humanity" this is where a liberal can go TOO. FUCKING.
FAR. you haven't thought this through, buddy


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 19:22 [#02634208]
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that ants got stuck in an evolutionary dead end at one end
of the spectrum, and octopi at the other, and we've blown
far past both because a balance. and this will relate to,
roughly, something like the diffusion patterns alan turing
discovered, that generate leopard spots and such


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 19:24 [#02634209]
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and how "male" you are can really have absolutely nothing to
do with your sexual preferences.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 19:35 [#02634210]
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i was thinking: "despite the extreme rareness of genuine FTM
trans Ayn Rand is a corker of a candidate" and did she ever
have any sort of relationship? oh, she had a husband. if
they had any sex at all, it was probably very awkward and
unpleasant. despite the fact that Ayn was partly how she was
from slamming speed all the time


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 21:15 [#02634216]
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i just noticed the huge gaps in between adam driver's teef.
it's not quite what i remember as the textbook case but this
could very well be a hallmark of FAS (Fetal Alcohol
Syndrome) if mommy drank while pregnant the teef can come
out that way


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-28 23:11 [#02634222]
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i mean, i absolutely feel like i've done this one somewhere
before and i can't find it on the search. maybe that's not
working quite as it should


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 00:19 [#02634230]
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someone wrote here in 2020

They are truly alien! Neurones in their tentacles, a
brain that is linked to the stomach in the head, three
hearts... camouflage genius who can even change skin
texture... I love them to bits!


and i totally understand this attitude and i used to make
this mistake a lot more often.

however, you need to think of the futurama episode about
nature and the life cycle of the salmon and the mating
practices of the noble walrus or elephant seal or whatever
it was

on NPR's "wait wait don't tell me" they're on about some
chinese hotel having a schtick where you sign a waiver and
then you can spend the night with a live tiger in your hotel
room. one of them quips, "...but tigers will kill you if you
turn your back on them, so it's important to be the big
spoon" and then another one of the talking heads gets all
wistful, like "awww, now i want to snuggle with a tiger"

and it is an adorable thought. but the tiger would slice you
up and find you delicious, even if you are the big spoon.

and i maintain that, while, yes -- octopi are bizarre and
alien and fascinating -- they are also, at their core,
incredibly hateful creatures. and elliot rodgers was an
octopus


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 01:17 [#02634232]
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a corollary to this is that elon musk is also an octopus.

i know this may be shocking, but the science is solid here


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 01:18 [#02634233]
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elon mollusc


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 01:46 [#02634234]
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taylor swift is actually rather male and i find that
unattractive in a woman.


 

offline big from lsg on 2024-03-29 09:01 [#02634240]
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i feel i need to throw a 'gender is a social construct' in
here


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 19:39 [#02634248]
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oh, yes, and the clear logical progression from this is that
tampons are a social construct and the need for them is a
complete lie


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 19:49 [#02634249]
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i guess, gender is a construct, but it is a higher order
construct than human society.

i need to be more technical. i mean this sort of like OOP
inheritance in progamming. class human inherits from
class mammal. human society inherits from class human. the
need for a duvet is a social construct, but gender has level
upon level of distinct characteristics that go down to the
hardware. in humans.

once you expand to the who animal kingdom, then any living
thing -- at that point, we're a few levels above where
gender got constructed in the human sense. but it's still
built into the hardware and gender itself is not a social
construct. there are, like, chromosomes, you know?

that even when you get into "girls pink, boys blue" this is
also likely inherited on some level, think of the
electromagnetic spectrum

then the ancient greeks did not have a word for blue and,
alright, the construct is that we call it blue, not that we
are more apt to dress boys on a certain end of the spectrum
than girls

but everyone starts off as a girl, the boy features develop
later if you have the Y chromosome, makes sense it wouldn't
stick sometimes and you have more MTF than FTM and more gay
people than lesbian people

i do however feel like a lot of hot air is wasted on arguing
over it all and i'm very "let people do what they want, so
long as what they want isn't building a nuclear reactor in
the garden shed"


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 19:52 [#02634250]
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once you expand to the who animal kingdom, then any
living thing -


once you expand to the whole animal kingdom, then
expand again, further to any living thing -


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 19:56 [#02634251]
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it would make sense for it to not quite stick sometimes, in
the context of, are you going to have a chance to mate or
not? if not, you can then survive by becoming a gay
man-servant


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 19:57 [#02634252]
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[because it's xlt i have to say something like that]


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 20:39 [#02634253]
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i wish i had the money to just stop scrambling to pay off my
visa card [again] and pause work and go to law school or
something like that. i'm sick of software engineering, i've
quit music, and as mentioned, when a spambot posted "money
for discordogs?" to the spam board i thot "lol, good luck"
but truth be told it's all i really care about these days
and otherwise i'm in quite a miserable temper


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-29 22:00 [#02634254]
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i think the fact that we've conceived of going transgender
at all speaks to the amazing flexibility of humans


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-30 00:30 [#02634260]
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that, oh, i suppose - you start from a platform from us
operating as essentially an ant society, but then mammals
have this individual/social balance going on atop this,
mediated by -- we should cleave this from gender -- jung's
animus and anima, the male and female components of your
personality. when someone says, "get in touch with your
feminine side," this is as literal as a metaphor can be,
asking you to process a thought along a completely different
series of decision chains using your quantum computer made
of meat. to entirely redo reality for a moment; see things
from the eyes of someone else.

transgender? first you have to see gender as a construct to
even conceive of it. and i agree it is -- but it's a higher
order construct, that goes not just above humans, but to
mammals. that maybe we could start to cleave it around
marsupials but perhaps the true divide is any species that
can spontaneously give birth in an aquarium without a proper
fuck, and humans unarguably cannot do this. and from there
you can see Christianity as the confusion resulting from a
system thousands of years before we understood genetics

but with transgender, we're saying: fuck the hardware, the
software is correct. and i am going to take this incredibly
complex series of hormones [which, despite my insane grasp
of anything detailed, i profess i cannot begin to fathom]
and get surgery that was probably not possible even 50 years
ago and you people are having a tough time because you've
made quite a few dramatic leaps, that only humans could
make

that being said, should we suppose god exists, i've always
been totally satisfied with what (s)he gave me


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-30 01:05 [#02634261]
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i think it's a solid insight for the evening. you hear me
talking about my own adventures and the hardware determines
the limits of what the software is capable of. and here are
a class of people who have said "fuck being stuck with the
hardware" and you are bloody serious to the point of hormone
therapy that even i cannot understand, despite remembering
so much about brodmann areas that i want to vomit. and
kudos, i feel alone out there sometimes, but you're even
further out there than i am. and i respect that. and how
lonely it probably is


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-30 01:40 [#02634262]
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that, yes, this sounds good --

"if you'll forgive the gendered metaphor, it takes fucking
balls of brass to not only undergo a complex physical
transformation including strange hormone dark magick, but
then tell everyone you know to fucking either accept it or
gtfo"

and i'll be over here with something about it being
theoretically possible to recover any possible percept
you've ever perceived. without considering what physical
modification like that could do


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-03-30 21:21 [#02634274]
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then maybe transgender people are tantamount to energy
vampires for asking so much of everyone else.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-03-30 22:04 [#02634275]
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life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no
aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there
remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females
only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money
system, institute complete automation and destroy the male
sex


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-03-30 22:07 [#02634278]
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epicmegatrax how do you feel about slate star codex


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 01:36 [#02634307]
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there remains to civic-minded, responsible,
thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government,
eliminate the money system, institute complete automation
and destroy the male sex


MTG's washer-woman freckled arms still haunt me on average
of once a month

epicmegatrax how do you feel about slate star codex

haven't heard it. this sounds like an anime name


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 01:41 [#02634308]
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i'm realizing this is a generalization of a conversation
about the matrix. the brother directors going trans and,
"actually the whole film is a trans metaphor"

and i'm like... whoa, whoa. i can see it. this does fit
perfectly. but i got similar things out of the movie without
being trans, and by going around declaring it a trans film;
declaring ownership, you're creating a barrier. that stops
people from interpreting the film in a way that expands
their mind personally, now you're sitting through the film
and thinking about transgender instead? no. that's almost an
energy vampire tip

but it is, like: i can see it. i totally see what you mean.
you're not crazy for arguing this at all. and i'm entirely
happy to agree with you, just please leave the movie vague
for the benefit of others.

and it's this again: gender is absolutely a construct, but
it's a construct that goes above humans; above mammals. so i
argue it is with the matrix: it goes above being trans, that
is one possible interpretation of many. your personal
interpretation

that the director brothers go trans and so they apply their
specific result to the general idea of the journey and
conclude, perhaps, that they meant this to be a trans film
all along. but it was about the journey, or some shit. and
maybe they aren't even talking this up at all and it's just
internet people saying it's a trans film. and please let it
go


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 01:44 [#02634309]
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or, they're sisters now, sorry. i don't think about this
terribly often and my mental filing hasn't quite caught up
yet


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 02:22 [#02634311]
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i actually make no particular habit of targeting the taylor,
she's just so everywhere it's an easy first grab for an
example. so i tell sampler brain: we need another female
octopus, just to make it clear this wasn't really about
taylor swift [entirely]

and yes: La Grande. the woman who is/was former head of the
IMF. perfect candidate. whom i have absolutely no personal
feelings towards one way or the other, aside from that her
tan is/was an atrocity


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 02:23 [#02634312]
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wrong thred


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 02:33 [#02634314]
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slate star codex

oh, you. i hadn't heard of it then, either. and i thought it
sounded like an anime name then, too.

what i can grab from this, in catching it, is that i got
hung up on the word codex and i feel a strange tingle but
that was ~200ms tangent as i am already typing up a reply.
from there i'd say, i simply concluded the same thing. that
it sounds like anime. and because i got hung up on codex
that must be what clinches the "anime" angle, really,
despite an opening like "slate star" having its own slew of
signals

i mean, i've also written up the matrix thing before. but i
do believe, this time we should be a little clearer about
it. more detail and less ramble. i typically never bother to
look up the answer now and this time will be no exception


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-04-01 03:36 [#02634317]
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okay i'm surprised you don't know about slate star codex but
i'm very happy to hear it


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-04-01 03:43 [#02634318]
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also i agree with you about the matrix, and i'd like to add
that the idea that anything a [trans, woman, black,
disabled, whatever minority] artist produces is necessarily
autobiographical and didactic is very shit and boring


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2024-04-01 03:53 [#02634321]
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sorry though i have to ask: you're not taking adderall are
you?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 04:34 [#02634323]
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okay i'm surprised you don't know about slate star codex
but i'm very happy to hear it


you asked me if i'd heard of it, i gave almost the same
reply saying i hadn't heard of it, next i've forgotten you
said this and i said that, now i have it back, and, well, i
could be wrong? but i figured you were just prompting me for
a hoot and actually... i think it's fun(ny) too? and have at
it? i'm on board with it?

but then perhaps you've just said the same thing, because
we're on the same topic again, and you don't remember it.
took me a moment too to say, "ahhh right"


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 04:46 [#02634325]
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sorry though i have to ask: you're not taking adderall
are you?


i have to give adderall significant credit for launching the
whole arc back in 2016 -- the bullshit thread and weasels.
in the recently-bumped acupuncture thread, i commented "if
you want to see a time when i actually WAS somewhat off my
rocker" and if you want to see me on too much adderall, that
thread is a fucking prime example. but no more. at this
point i simply start writing and it's like i get free
amphetamines


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2024-04-01 05:54 [#02634326]
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that i should really paint it like it is: i have a thought
and i dash it off. the thought leads to a following thot and
i'm back. at this point i'm dodging work and a part of me
likes this very much so i keep writing. at that point some
sort of momentum takes hold and i turn into a juggernaut.
and it is NOT actually like my state of mind in the cited
2017 thread at all; that i highlight that so you can
actually see the difference for yourself


 


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