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the octopus. the hive mind. the crown is the big boss, and the tentacles are minions. literal minds of their own, but they need instructions from the big boss. we wear our thots on our skin and when we're enraged, everyone sees it loud and clear -- because it's hard to talk underwater. the octopus is also sort of you slid the evolutionary fader all the way from male ants being no more than flying sperm, who will literally be murdered and thrown out of the hive once that's been taken care of. that the female octopus is a sad thing who lives only to be impregnated, give birth, and then die. neither of these seem like good solutions; nevermind octopi are not social creatures. they will sit in their corners and then literally just kind of throw rocks at each other and squirt jets. they will juggle other living creatures in an aquarium because they are bored, and because they are actually fucking jerks, i suspect. that i think they are actually incredibly hateful creatures. we could re-do the sopranos with tony soprano as an octopus in any case, i posit that elliot rodger was an octopus. what do you ladies and/or gentlemen have to say of this? |
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the incel octopus consciousness, in addition to projectiles that still work underwater, appreciates incredibly expensive scented candles. because, in addition to it being hard to speak underwater, it's hard not to smell things when you all live in the same pool, and money represents a human's life force, their anti-entropy, and so you need a very expensive scent to establish some fucking boundaries and that candle cost $300 and i'm calling the police and going on a shooting spree in my bmw i don't think weasel brain thinks much of incels |
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i think i read once that octopuses can solve problems that are about on the level of what a 4yo child can do. same thing with crows. and if we're honest, aren't most 4 year olds assholes? |
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i guess it's more a point like.... an ant colony is a hive mind, an octopus is a hive mind. male ants are flying sperm. a female octopus lives merely to create another elliot rodger it's a deep point about gender and evolution and information and i'm thrilled it glues into such a white-hot obnoxious subject like this. beyond pleased |
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i've just sat here and worked it out on a pad of paper; if you ran the incel timeline ahead to quantum technology.... yes, you'd get daleks |
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i guess the opposite fader end of the incel timeline is the ant queen timeline; it's the black mirror episode "20 million merits" or however many units it was for the chance to get stuck in a waiting room and maybe eventually be torn apart in front of the whole universe by simon cowell. and here the male energy, bing, is captured and redirected back into the stability of the system. what the episode did not cover was when bing's ratings tanked and he was murdered and thrown out of the hive. if you would like to learn more, move to china |
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i see why rodger wilco hates black mirror so much now |
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the male sexual energy coil spoke of, is that doled out in milliamp-hours or watts or what? |
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$300 candles that make you feel better about a black mirror episode. stranger things have been patented |
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i bet roger wilco wears cologogogenne or however that's spelled. and perhaps it's even expensive and he has wine person opinions here |
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and to be fair i think we can all agree: if you don't like how someone smells, the relationship will never work. no matter what bodily parts involved or fig leafs to cover up the actual |
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have you read Children of Time and Children of Ruin, because you're mentioning the two main species from those SF-novels: ants, or rather Portia, because ants also play a significant role; and Octopi Octopi are very impulsive. the novel explains them to be just id. that is: their crown, their reach just do calculating kind of stuff. not sure that makes them psychos, though i guess they aren't that far of from it now mild spoilers in the Children of Time, in Portia society male liberation is fought, eventually (eventually, because these animals are artificially accelerated in their evolution and then their society evolves over still many generations). in Children of Ruin no such thing happens with Octopi behaviour. maybe because the Octopi are biologically limited. in Portia males are half the size of females, but their not less intelligent. so the key differences between male and female Portia boil down to prejudices that can be fought |
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indeed male Portia are seen as just sacks of sperms, but if you want to look at it like that, the females are then just sacks of eggs (they don't gestate) |
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lots of books actually show up because people will listen to me ramble for ten minutes and then eventually books like "Musicology" by Oliver Sacks shows up and goddamn this is going to be full of new ideas. i cannot fucking touch this it could distract me for weeks. people are on about ants all over. the late john walker recommended "the hacker and the ants," which i still have not read. so i will probably not get to it, but i know of it now, and you've said enough for me to arguably address your point regardless -- i was more talking about the role of gender as a functional thing in the context of the evolution of intelligence, that in fact this is what i believe gender actually is. that it is sort of like the words "yes" and "no" which really mean nothing without each other to provide an opposite. here, female is the collectivist, male is the individual, and these terms are both meaningless without the other as a contrast. octopusses are extreme individualists at the expensive of collective cooperation -- to the point where the individual has become a collective. and at that point evolution got stuck because it hit a dead end. human society needs the male to do insane things like decide, "maybe they're full of shit when they say i'll fall off the edge of the earth if i sail a boat over there" and columbus discovers america. aphex twin hides inside an old computer rack and his wife pretends she doesn't know exactly where the fuck he is. if you let things go too far that way, though, it goes elon musk incel technocratic, the difference between an incel an elon musk is measured only by degree of success. and then men go off the deep end building tony stark weapons blowing each other up and but if we let the women run rampant it would be "you're not allowed to synthesizer, that does nothing for the welfare of the children" and at that point i'm afraid i'd have to cut a bitch |
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i mean, when tesla was saying "i think women are the future of humanity" this is where a liberal can go TOO. FUCKING. FAR. you haven't thought this through, buddy |
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that ants got stuck in an evolutionary dead end at one end of the spectrum, and octopi at the other, and we've blown far past both because a balance. and this will relate to, roughly, something like the diffusion patterns alan turing discovered, that generate leopard spots and such |
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and how "male" you are can really have absolutely nothing to do with your sexual preferences. |
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i was thinking: "despite the extreme rareness of genuine FTM trans Ayn Rand is a corker of a candidate" and did she ever have any sort of relationship? oh, she had a husband. if they had any sex at all, it was probably very awkward and unpleasant. despite the fact that Ayn was partly how she was from slamming speed all the time |
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i just noticed the huge gaps in between adam driver's teef. it's not quite what i remember as the textbook case but this could very well be a hallmark of FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) if mommy drank while pregnant the teef can come out that way |
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i mean, i absolutely feel like i've done this one somewhere before and i can't find it on the search. maybe that's not working quite as it should |
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someone wrote here in 2020 They are truly alien! Neurones in their tentacles, a brain that is linked to the stomach in the head, three hearts... camouflage genius who can even change skin texture... I love them to bits! and i totally understand this attitude and i used to make this mistake a lot more often. however, you need to think of the futurama episode about nature and the life cycle of the salmon and the mating practices of the noble walrus or elephant seal or whatever it was on NPR's "wait wait don't tell me" they're on about some chinese hotel having a schtick where you sign a waiver and then you can spend the night with a live tiger in your hotel room. one of them quips, "...but tigers will kill you if you turn your back on them, so it's important to be the big spoon" and then another one of the talking heads gets all wistful, like "awww, now i want to snuggle with a tiger" and it is an adorable thought. but the tiger would slice you up and find you delicious, even if you are the big spoon. and i maintain that, while, yes -- octopi are bizarre and alien and fascinating -- they are also, at their core, incredibly hateful creatures. and elliot rodgers was an octopus |
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a corollary to this is that elon musk is also an octopus. i know this may be shocking, but the science is solid here |
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elon mollusc |
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taylor swift is actually rather male and i find that unattractive in a woman. |
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i feel i need to throw a 'gender is a social construct' in here |
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oh, yes, and the clear logical progression from this is that tampons are a social construct and the need for them is a complete lie |
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i guess, gender is a construct, but it is a higher order construct than human society. i need to be more technical. i mean this sort of like OOP in progamming. class human inherits from class mammal. human society inherits from class human. the need for a duvet is a social construct, but gender has level upon level of distinct characteristics that go down to the hardware. in humans. once you expand to the who animal kingdom, then any living thing -- at that point, we're a few levels above where gender got constructed in the human sense. but it's still built into the hardware and gender itself is not a social construct. there are, like, chromosomes, you know? that even when you get into "girls pink, boys blue" this is also likely inherited on some level, think of the electromagnetic spectrum then the ancient greeks did not have a word for blue and, alright, the construct is that we call it blue, not that we are more apt to dress boys on a certain end of the spectrum than girls but everyone starts off as a girl, the boy features develop later if you have the Y chromosome, makes sense it wouldn't stick sometimes and you have more MTF than FTM and more gay people than lesbian people i do however feel like a lot of hot air is wasted on arguing over it all and i'm very "let people do what they want, so long as what they want isn't building a nuclear reactor in the garden shed" |
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once you expand to the who animal kingdom, then any living thing - once you expand to the whole animal kingdom, then expand again, further to any living thing - |
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it would make sense for it to not quite stick sometimes, in the context of, are you going to have a chance to mate or not? if not, you can then survive by becoming a gay man-servant |
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[because it's xlt i have to say something like that] |
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i wish i had the money to just stop scrambling to pay off my visa card [again] and pause work and go to law school or something like that. i'm sick of software engineering, i've quit music, and as mentioned, when a spambot posted "money for discordogs?" to the spam board i thot "lol, good luck" but truth be told it's all i really care about these days and otherwise i'm in quite a miserable temper |
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i think the fact that we've conceived of going transgender at all speaks to the amazing flexibility of humans |
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that, oh, i suppose - you start from a platform from us operating as essentially an ant society, but then mammals have this individual/social balance going on atop this, mediated by -- we should cleave this from gender -- jung's animus and anima, the male and female components of your personality. when someone says, "get in touch with your feminine side," this is as literal as a metaphor can be, asking you to process a thought along a completely different series of decision chains using your quantum computer made of meat. to entirely redo reality for a moment; see things from the eyes of someone else. transgender? first you have to see gender as a construct to even conceive of it. and i agree it is -- but it's a higher order construct, that goes not just above humans, but to mammals. that maybe we could start to cleave it around marsupials but perhaps the true divide is any species that can spontaneously give birth in an aquarium without a proper fuck, and humans unarguably cannot do this. and from there you can see Christianity as the confusion resulting from a system thousands of years before we understood genetics but with transgender, we're saying: fuck the hardware, the software is correct. and i am going to take this incredibly complex series of hormones [which, despite my insane grasp of anything detailed, i profess i cannot begin to fathom] and get surgery that was probably not possible even 50 years ago and you people are having a tough time because you've made quite a few dramatic leaps, that only humans could make that being said, should we suppose god exists, i've always been totally satisfied with what (s)he gave me |
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i think it's a solid insight for the evening. you hear me talking about my own adventures and the hardware determines the limits of what the software is capable of. and here are a class of people who have said "fuck being stuck with the hardware" and you are bloody serious to the point of hormone therapy that even i cannot understand, despite remembering so much about brodmann areas that i want to vomit. and kudos, i feel alone out there sometimes, but you're even further out there than i am. and i respect that. and how lonely it probably is |
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that, yes, this sounds good -- "if you'll forgive the gendered metaphor, it takes fucking balls of brass to not only undergo a complex physical transformation including strange hormone dark magick, but then tell everyone you know to fucking either accept it or gtfo" and i'll be over here with something about it being theoretically possible to recover any possible percept you've ever perceived. without considering what physical modification like that could do |
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then maybe transgender people are tantamount to energy vampires for asking so much of everyone else. |
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life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex |
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epicmegatrax how do you feel about slate star codex |
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there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex MTG's washer-woman freckled arms still haunt me on average of once a month epicmegatrax how do you feel about slate star codex haven't heard it. this sounds like an anime name |
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i'm realizing this is a generalization of a conversation about the matrix. the brother directors going trans and, "actually the whole film is a trans metaphor" and i'm like... whoa, whoa. i can see it. this does fit perfectly. but i got similar things out of the movie without being trans, and by going around declaring it a trans film; declaring ownership, you're creating a barrier. that stops people from interpreting the film in a way that expands their mind personally, now you're sitting through the film and thinking about transgender instead? no. that's almost an energy vampire tip but it is, like: i can see it. i totally see what you mean. you're not crazy for arguing this at all. and i'm entirely happy to agree with you, just please leave the movie vague for the benefit of others. and it's this again: gender is absolutely a construct, but it's a construct that goes above humans; above mammals. so i argue it is with the matrix: it goes above being trans, that is one possible interpretation of many. your personal interpretation that the director brothers go trans and so they apply their specific result to the general idea of the journey and conclude, perhaps, that they meant this to be a trans film all along. but it was about the journey, or some shit. and maybe they aren't even talking this up at all and it's just internet people saying it's a trans film. and please let it go |
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or, they're sisters now, sorry. i don't think about this terribly often and my mental filing hasn't quite caught up yet |
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i actually make no particular habit of targeting the taylor, she's just so everywhere it's an easy first grab for an example. so i tell sampler brain: we need another female octopus, just to make it clear this wasn't really about taylor swift [entirely] and yes: La Grande. the woman who is/was former head of the IMF. perfect candidate. whom i have absolutely no personal feelings towards one way or the other, aside from that her tan is/was an atrocity |
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wrong thred |
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slate star codex oh, you. i hadn't heard of it then, either. and i thought it sounded like an anime name then, too. what i can grab from this, in catching it, is that i got hung up on the word codex and i feel a strange tingle but that was ~200ms tangent as i am already typing up a reply. from there i'd say, i simply concluded the same thing. that it sounds like anime. and because i got hung up on codex that must be what clinches the "anime" angle, really, despite an opening like "slate star" having its own slew of signals i mean, i've also written up the matrix thing before. but i do believe, this time we should be a little clearer about it. more detail and less ramble. i typically never bother to look up the answer now and this time will be no exception |
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okay i'm surprised you don't know about slate star codex but i'm very happy to hear it |
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also i agree with you about the matrix, and i'd like to add that the idea that anything a [trans, woman, black, disabled, whatever minority] artist produces is necessarily autobiographical and didactic is very shit and boring |
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sorry though i have to ask: you're not taking adderall are you? |
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okay i'm surprised you don't know about slate star codex but i'm very happy to hear it you asked me if i'd heard of it, i gave almost the same reply saying i hadn't heard of it, next i've forgotten you said this and i said that, now i have it back, and, well, i could be wrong? but i figured you were just prompting me for a hoot and actually... i think it's fun(ny) too? and have at it? i'm on board with it? but then perhaps you've just said the same thing, because we're on the same topic again, and you don't remember it. took me a moment too to say, "ahhh right" |
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sorry though i have to ask: you're not taking adderall are you? i have to give adderall significant credit for launching the whole arc back in 2016 -- the bullshit thread and weasels. in the recently-bumped acupuncture thread, i commented "if you want to see a time when i actually WAS somewhat off my rocker" and if you want to see me on too much adderall, that thread is a fucking prime example. but no more. at this point i simply start writing and it's like i get free amphetamines |
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that i should really paint it like it is: i have a thought and i dash it off. the thought leads to a following thot and i'm back. at this point i'm dodging work and a part of me likes this very much so i keep writing. at that point some sort of momentum takes hold and i turn into a juggernaut. and it is NOT actually like my state of mind in the cited 2017 thread at all; that i highlight that so you can actually see the difference for yourself |
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