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past year or two i have found myself evaluating my harshness on people. for whatever. and why? i realize i just kind of picked it up from the internet. but i just read this amazing article: ...and i'm realizing the internet picked it up from steve albini. who picked it up from punk: “I thought it was important to explain how some of the uglier and more confrontational aspects of my speech and behaviour came about,” he said ... in an ecosystem where shit-talking was seen as a sign of obstinate authenticity ...but then we get to: Kim Deal told me that Albini’s wife, the filmmaker Heather Whinna, whom he met in the 1990s, was a crucial influence. “She told him specifically: ‘I don’t think you know the power that you have when you just dismiss people. They really respect you, Steve, and why would you do that to them?’ I don’t think he understood that people were actually listening to him.” i have been considering my tone over the last few months. like, blackbox thread: "why am i being so harsh," i thought? feeling bad, i came back and put myself in my own place, saying, effectively, "...while i'm expressing my honest feelings here i also feel nothing i've ever done touches some of the tracks off drukqs" ...as if that'd smooth over the nerves i grated being... obstinately authentic. that my dub plates thing, a couple weeks back, i thought: "this is punk. this a punk thing to do. to piss people off, to tear down the ivory towers. to shit on vinyl-humping idiots. i actually have a very punk attitude, how did this happen? i was never a part of this scene" but then "i should still stop being so brutal because it doesn't help anyone" ...and, it's funny, i was having these same conversations with myself along with albini |
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...remember when i was being cheeky and ribbing y'all for implicitly assuming woke-ness was owned by black people since you declared "let the wokie win" racially offensive? here's albini: “However you define ‘woke,’ anti-woke means being a cunt who wants to indulge bigots,” he wrote recently ...and, fuck me, that's so much more delicious than what i was saying. so much more succinct. direct the article continues, "..but these days he also says things like: “Life is hard on everybody and there’s no excuse for making it harder. I’ve got the easiest job on earth, I’m a straight white dude, fuck me if I can’t make space for everybody else." ...so i guess that includes making space for the anti-woke bigot-indulgers? don't soften too much, steve. the world does need at least some world-destroying acerbity |
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in the end - i've already tried to tone it down a bit - it comes from "obstinate authenticity" - ...which i have no hesitation about applying to myself - [...what's good for the gander is good for The Goose Brand™] - i actually do get genuinely mad at stupid people -- or people being cattle, whatever -- and that's where it can go over the line, i think steve has the same problem |
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Component A ~ being a cunt is a way to speak with authority. it implies you know exactly what you're talking about; that you're so certain of your principles you've no care for what bridges you burn [and/or you're so committed to your principles; you're such a purist you don't care how much of a cunt you're being]. Component B ~ being funny is a way to get away with being a cunt ...but then Albini became famous for it because he was so incredibly, deliciously right so many times [e.g. the "woke" comment] and he has a whole body of work backing up his mouth. |
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yes, he's right isnt he? |
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when he said dumbest guy in the room it hit me in the feels ive been ignorant and arrogant my whole life the price to pay is no place in the world to come ignorant [ ig-ner-uhnt ]SHOW IPA See synonyms for: ignorantignorantly on Thesaurus.com adjective lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: Although he was an ignorant man, he was very excited to learn. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: I admit I'm entirely ignorant of quantum physics. arrogant [ ar-uh-guhnt ]SHOW IPA See synonyms for: arrogantarrogantly on Thesaurus.com adjective making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official. characterized by or proceeding from arrogance, or a sense of superiority, self-importance, or entitlement: arrogant claims. |
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i can't be bothered to read it really i'll just say, let me know if it's something the article says as well: it's striking, to me, that privileged groups, like white, cishet males (strike through what isn't relevant) can do whatever and not get canceled. everyone else can't (to be sure: i'm pretty privileged. i just have to point out this stuff, because there's so much ignorance of it) |
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i've now read what epic wrote. |
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if you're privileged the punk thing to do is be kind. if you're not privileged the punk thing to do is kick against the machine of course everyone is part privileged and part not. so you can do both, depending on situations. if you have a minority opinion, you can put that out there harshly. if you're a man and have trouble adjusting to that your bathroom is now gender neutral, don't bother other people with it |
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i've now read what epic wrote. ...but did you process how steve albini took A WHOLE EPICMEGATRAX THREAD -- one that people actually participated in -- and compressed it down into: “However you define ‘woke,’ anti-woke means being a cunt who wants to indulge bigots,” he wrote recently instead i came about this in such a roundabout way: 0) hi! 1) my lizard brain spews out word jokes all day 2) it's learned i send offensive/racial ones back to the kitchen 3) it wasn't sure if i'd like "let the wokie win" 4) i understand why it was confused. it felt absolutely offensive, but... hm 5) it dawns on me you have to effectively treat "woke" and "black" as synonyms in order to find 3) offensive 6) i make a thread asking what people think 7) recycle, bless him, posts the first thing that comes to mind with zero thought, and confirms: yes this is offensive then i'm all "lol, that means you're subconsciously racist" or something dumb. i was not trying to actually call anyone racist so much as trying to show everyone a darn fine example of how subconscious assumptions shape your conscious thought ...and the hell does woke mean, anyways? so when albini comes along and 'however you define woke, anti-woke means a cunt who wants to indulge bigots' i'm going to remember this one. i need to learn to fight my way out of these corners better |
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main point, i suppose: i've soaked up a lot of albini's attitude without even realizing. osmosis through the internet. a few weeks ago: i'm being a cunt with a brutal takedown throw; but why? when did this get so automatic? why am i even doing this? i concluded punk, plus [#02629894, #02629895] above ...but it wasn't until this article came out that i realized it was actually albini's voice. and the article is about "hi, yeah, this got too automatic, i'm tearing a bunch of it out of my 'tude now, sorry" and how strange i've been so in parallel without even realizing it's all. his. fault ;) |
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in all honesty i find it heartwarming when people do the right thing |
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what you think are the right things, may not actually be the right things -- especially once you get a bit older. one day realizing you feel both guilty and embarrassed for something you wrote the other day. something completely honest, but utterly unwarranted. you think: "what was the point of that? ...it was way too reflexive. a useless peacock tail of a thing to post" i wonder if it bugs albini if anyone ever credits his change in attitude to him "mellowing out" or worse, "softening up" because it's very very hard to unyieldingly examine who you are ...and then decide to edit your personality at the age of [difficult past 25], disown a bunch of your past behavior as ill-advised, sheltered, etc. and then go speak about it publicly in an almost embarrassingly earnest manner. because it's actually a rippling effect across the web of musicians on the internet |
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when he said dumbest guy in the room it hit me in the feels ive been ignorant and arrogant my whole life the price to pay is no place in the world to come i'm not sure which way to take this. are you saying you're the dumbest guy in the room, or that i am? if it's the former, just be yourself, no one can beat you there. do a hardcore track for jesus or something and give the lord some shout-outs on the mic. people will say STFU and you can point like elvis and say "god bless ya" [...and less constantly selling/buying gear] |
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when some stupid motherfucker tells you that you cant wear your hair in dreads because you have the wrong amount of melanin in your skin pigments... it's worth it to call them, and their whole movement out as the dogshit it is. the only reason they reframe you as a bad person for not getting in line, is because that's all they really CAN say. It doesn't make you an asshole. The way you talk to an individual in a condescending way CAN, however. |
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I realized a long time ago that "this person is an asshole" is a subjective statement anyway. For some people, not viewing the world through their quasi-marxist equity based prism of social oppression is QUITE enough to label you a piece of shit. I don't care. For me, assholes are the people who don't hold the door open for the next guy coming in behind them. Assholes are the people that don't return a small nod on the street. Assholes find a wallet outside the grocery store and keep it, rather than handing it in the store. It's subjective and your mileage may vary. |
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to clarify: Wolfslice, for instance, has no interest in doing the right thing |
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video i thought explains the issue of cultural appropriation (some time since i've watched it, though). |
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well, explains it well |
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the "right thing" is of course agreeing with your specific politics. that's definitely not the very definition of self righteous, or anything I honestly think you're *way* more of an asshole. |
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the thing with cultural appropiation is people are just saying others are just being kind of a dick. because they're disrespecting other cultures, while culture is important to people. the people that are told this, though, feel totally like the victim. |
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dude saying you can or cant do something or dress a certain way or have a certain attitude ***because of the color of your skin*** is literally racist. You can redefine the word racism to suit your world view all you want. I reject your redefinition. It's a very simple equation. This is not the only case where progressives do this either. |
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I think sometimes racism is a boogeyman, its just basic collectivist *group think* garbage that gets overplayed as the worst of all human's ills. What bothers me more is just the hypocrisy of the people that call out others for this kinda shit. The assumption of virtue, and the labeling of those who disagree as a bigot. |
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you just know very little about this stuff, watch the video i posted, or don't |
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the steve albini article was on my to read list before epic posted it, through twitter. i do want to read it, but have to be in the right mind set i'll now read epics other takes here |
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you can label me ignorant, I could label you racist. I don't think anything of this is helpful. I'll watch the video, but unless it says "It is racist to to try and pressure someone to do or not do something because of the color of the skin," I will write it off as completely antithetical to my world view. Every single human is the god damn same fundamentally, and these little cultures we form are far from sacred to me. All of them, including my own. I do not not subscribe to "racism is only racism in certain power structure scenarios," which is always the crux of the argument. It's ridiculous. |
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i'll just go into, concerning some of the things epic writes: it interests me how people change their mind. it's a bit like how i write i'll read this when i'm in the right mind set, because people are very hard headed, and they'll have to hear just the right thing at just the right right time. and here i gotta bring up privilege again, i'm afraid: if someone is a minority in just one respect, they'll be loads less hard headed (though also they can dig themselves in deeper, look at JK Rowling, for instance) |
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that's a reply to myself, and so it riffs on stuff epic wrote. but also it totally applies to wolfslice |
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I'll just say this man, I'm not at all averse to changing my mind. There's a lot of obstinate assholes across the gamut of worldviews. I've done a lot of pyschedelics and peeled and probed my viewpoints trying to filter the bullshit and in doing so I did hit some bedrock. I'm just an individualist. It's my basic, most foremost setting and I don't think I'm capable of ever changing that. I have never, in my life, felt I belonged to any group at any time. Even here, lol. I'm not averse to changing my mind, but I can only take it so far. Aight time for a little Path of Exile before bed ;) |
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you're complaining about labels yet you can only think in terms of labels when you write: "I do not not subscribe to "racism is only racism in certain power structure scenarios," which is always the crux of the argument. It's ridiculous." this argument is true. but it's not meant as an 'own' or something, it puts racism in the context of a society. that's useful, if only because people get hurt from institutional racism at least as much as from interpersonal racism, the last one the only one being you want to believe in, it seems i don't know what to tell you: listen to black people and people or colour, as well as anyone that's antiracist. they're not antiracist for wanting to feel better than you, or something, they want to change society for the better |
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okay, cool. i guess i'd respond to that, that you have to believe that people (individuals) experience totally different lives. because of factors like the color of their skin, or the economic position they were born into. |
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this is the one example where absolutely none of that context is needed. There's an action involved. That action is telling another human being You don't belong in group X because you are group Y Where Y is based on an immutable trait. There is no convincing me otherwise on this particular topic. It's fundamentally, CORE racist. Ive said what I can say here. I strongly disagree with you. |
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of course I agree with that! There's a huge amount of cause and effect and historical context that goes into EVERYTHING. It just misses the mark to waggle your finger at someone and say you can't be such and such. Misses it TOTALLY. The hippies had it right man. Total free wheeling mind melding orgy. And I grew up in a less abrasive society than the one progressives have fostered in the last decade. None of this shit is working in any capacity. |
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what i said here |
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that was i reply to this... |
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well, imo, hippies and other liberals aren't going to change (bring down) these unjust power structures. you'll say 'neither does complaining', but it's a bit more than that. i don't know it's still the same message as martin luther king and malcolm x, in its core |
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Yeah THAT I will admit. I have no real interest in rocking the boat, revolution, latching so hard onto ideals that people end up dying. Every system falls apart after enough time, so whatever is reborn will decay as well. This is sort of another core tenant. I do honestly believe in being helpful and kind to others and treating them as I want to be treated. It's why *I* don't think I'm an asshole. But your mileage may vary ;p In the end Big, and I've said this others here before.... I am HAPPY that you exist, and I'm happy to be here to disagree with you on this subject. You are worthwhile to me and I wish things hadn't got so splintered in the last 10 years or so. I really feel it. OK IMA PLAY MY GAME new league launched 2 days ago and I'm getting behind! PEACE to you big. |
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:) |
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has no one ever told you how unattractive spite and bitterness are? |
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I always try to remember |
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nah, wouldnt call you a dumb guy, there's something crazy about your posts, like that accounts thread where you mostly talk to yourself, but there's a fierce intelligence in your brain and a kindness in your soul. ignorance and arrogance is a nasty combination, feels bad man. in this paragraph im talking about myself. feels like i cant escape the bed ive made for myself though, what with the voice of messiah in my brain. fascism has no future, putin has no future, conservative ideas have no future, eventually it will all be destroyed and the world will be a great place for the goodies. |
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like, the future will be a time for philosophy and love it's just teh case that there will be another horrific war before world peace can be achieved ive been listening to the psalms on youtube and reading them after finding them on google, even psalm I is prophetic about the fight between good and evil |
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i read the whole thing. it's good he partly changed because of his wife (probably mostly, but who knows, really). which makes me think of the idubbbz apology, from this year. there's a lot of similarities, for one i think he too thought people would be able to see his good intentions (he doesn't go into that in his apology, though). i want emphasize that both said they have done actual harm to communities |
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lol. MLK had many beautiful and completely real quotes like that. |
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guys don't derail the thread please. this is about how much epic is like steve albini. a previous thread was about how much he was like phil tippet and you tried to derail that one as well. |
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i'm not saying we're clones, you dolt. he seems to reserve lying for poker; i lie on message boards sometimes. i don't have any interest in recording indie bands you still haven't answered my questions about WAV files -- do you use WAV, Wave64, RF64, BF64? or CAF like a fugink gaffok |
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i use jpeg |
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like that accounts thread where you mostly talk to yourself everything i post there is a real quote from somewhere. it's exactly like Cool Band Names, except it's curious/amusing phrases i've plucked from wherever you are free to add your own, comment -- i've no problem with replying to someone in the thread, instead of just posting quotes i hope that makes more sense now. i figure so much of what i do is obvious but i'm realizing it's often not in this paragraph im talking about myself. feels like i cant escape the bed ive made for myself though, what with the voice of messiah in my brain. i see your point. i've trained mine to generate Cool Band Names and ideas like "A Synaesthetic Portrait of Canoes Being Gay" keep in mind it's just a million layers of you talking to yourself and, like a gentle wind, you can gradually nudge the messiah. if you so choose raves are kind of like a rowdy southern baptist or lutheran barn-burner -- and if the drums match the bass and the bass is 303 then pretty much anything will work, and, well, that's what i'd do with it. that or reprogram it to be more funny |
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> i use jpeg you should switch to targa because it can do lossless AND it's also a porsche |
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