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big
from lsg on 2023-04-21 09:50 [#02626847]
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About transphobia, how it's being presented today by people like JK Rowling. On its intersection with feminism, in so far it is there (not really). And about the evil that is centrism (boo).
Also there's a lot from radical feminist Andrea Dworkin, famous for being a 'scary' feminist, that said penetration is always violence, among other things. This has to be something culture war connaisseurs like fleetmouse have to enjoy.
This video is just a quicky for miss Points: she's working on a real essay (more philosophy and history heavy), but I guess she just had to respond, being in the podcast from that ex-Westboro Baptist church follower.
And here's a critical comment from Reddit's BreadTube, which I do think does hold some water (the video is still good, though):
At the end of the day I can't cosign this video suggesting that TERFS are partially correct in their criticisms by agreeing with them that the main reason people dislike Anita Bryant, JK Rowling, Hillary Clinton & Posie Parker is because of widespread societal misogyny.
I'll gladly say that's a factor, since it can never be dismissed. But this is the first time I've ever watched a Contrapoints video and came away with such a jarring awareness that I'm dealing with the opinions of a comfortable white liberal woman and not a socialist.
Things get even more bizarre when she suggests we should resist the impulse to see TERFS as legitimate members of the right-wing and instead as duped "handmaidens" of patriarchy who we should ignore rather than confront. So the response to JK rowling being the David Duke of transphobia is that we should all.... block her on twitter?!?
I've never had to consume a Contra video in this way, its like i'm trying to eat only the the good bits of a half mushy apple.
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-21 09:51 [#02626848]
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Contrapoints is the aphex twin of breadtube
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-21 10:07 [#02626850]
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look what i reddit sleuthed: the journalist crying she's threatened by the soup can, LAZY_TITLE
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2023-04-21 14:35 [#02626853]
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Since the historical appearance of the capitalist mode of production, the appropriation by society of all the means of production has often been dreamed of, more or less vaguely, by individuals, as well as by sects, as the ideal of the future. But it could become possible, could become a historical necessity, only when the actual conditions for its realization were there. Like every other social advance, it becomes practicable, not by men understanding that the existence of classes is in contradiction to justice, equality, etc., not by the mere willingness to abolish these classes, but by virtue of certain new economic conditions. The separation of society into an exploiting and an exploited class, a ruling and an oppressed class, was the necessary consequences of the deficient and restricted development of production in former times. So long as the total social labor only yields a produce which but slightly exceeds that barely necessary for the existence of all; so long, therefore, as labor engages all or almost all the time of the great majority of the members of society — so long, of necessity, this society is divided into classes. Side by side with the great majority, exclusively bond slaves to labor, arises a class freed from directly productive labor, which looks after the general affairs of society: the direction of labor, State business, law, science, art, etc. It is, therefore, the law of division of labor that lies at the basis of the division into classes. But this does not prevent this division into classes from being carried out by means of violence and robbery, trickery and fraud. it does not prevent the ruling class, once having the upper hand, from consolidating its power at the expense of the working-class, from turning its social leadership into an intensified exploitation of the masses.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2023-04-21 14:36 [#02626854]
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But if, upon this showing, division into classes has a certain historical justification, it has this only for a given period, only under given social conditions. It was based upon the insufficiency of production. It will be swept away by the complete development of modern productive forces. And, in fact, the abolition of classes in society presupposes a degree of historical evolution at which the existence, not simply of this or that particular ruling class, but of any ruling class at all, and, therefore, the existence of class distinction itself, has become an obsolete anachronism. It presupposes, therefore, the development of production carried out to a degree at which appropriation of the means of production and of the products, and, with this, of political domination, of the monopoly of culture, and of intellectual leadership by a particular class of society, has become not only superfluous but economically, politically, intellectually, a hindrance to development.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2023-04-21 14:37 [#02626855]
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This point is now reached. Their political and intellectual bankruptcy is scarcely any longer a secret to the bourgeoisie themselves. Their economic bankruptcy recurs regularly every 10 years. In every crisis, society is suffocated beneath the weight of its own productive forces and products, which it cannot use, and stands helpless, face-to-face with the absurd contradiction that the producers have nothing to consume, because consumers are wanting. The expansive force of the means of production bursts the bonds that the capitalist mode of production had imposed upon them. Their deliverance from these bonds is the one precondition for an unbroken, constantly-accelerated development of the productive forces, and therewith for a practically unlimited increase of production itself. Nor is this all. The socialized appropriation of the means of production does away, not only with the present artificial restrictions upon production, but also with the positive waste and devastation of productive forces and products that are at the present time the inevitable concomitants of production, and that reach their height in the crises. Further, it sets free for the community at large a mass of means of production and of products, by doing away with the senseless extravagance of the ruling classes of today, and their political representatives. The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day-by-day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties — this possibility is now, for the first time, here, but it is here.
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-21 21:13 [#02626857]
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-22 09:00 [#02626861]
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rip t witch
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-22 09:10 [#02626863]
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really it's too complicated for me
that, in high school, there was a dungeons and dragons campaign that went for over two years. the DM was a machiavellian genius that, in retrospect, spent time actually thinking about everyone's individual personalities in order to determine what to throw at us next week. that we weren't all the same year; it went past graduation, but at a certain point...yeah, we're all going to spin off now. and the DM set it up to effectively... we had a chance, but no, your characters are essentially all imprisoned in a gem for eternity. we failed. imprisoned. theoretically could be microwaved back. but there were also some personal touches in it all...
few years later, DM is the first transgender person i knew and very patiently answered my questions. she went to iraq and got shot at because she never felt comfortable being male and it was when the bombs were flying over that she realized she really wasn't happy with her life. questions about the, well, technical details. and since then, it has been like: i have an understanding of this now, and i am fine with it. among the cohort, i think i'm generally appreciated for how little i notice it's going on at all.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2023-04-22 09:12 [#02626864]
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anyways: tldr: this is some in-drama i don't really need in my neurons
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2023-04-22 09:22 [#02626865]
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buy jk rowling a wendy carlos cd
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2023-04-22 09:31 [#02626867]
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in the future it will become easier and easier to change your sex. biology is one of the more advanced sciences. i reckon they could even change your chromosomes and not need the operations any more. men would be able to change into women and have babies, women would be able to have a proper willy and balls. or whatever. i saw an image the other day of an american police notice asking people to call the police if they suspect someone of being transgender. there's absolutely no need to oppress people for being people. there's no biological reason why people can't change sex.
the geezer who made father ted got obsessed with the transgender topic so much that it destroyed his career. just look at what putin supports and do the opposite
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-22 10:59 [#02626881]
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that's a good story
umbroman i guess this all is more about cultural things and not what's medically possible. and it comes down to some people wanting to control others people's lives and even bodies.
and that ties in with the economic/financial oppression Engels is talking about, via Tony Danza
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-22 11:06 [#02626882]
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economic/financial oppression, or just society made of classes, which in itself is oppression
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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2023-04-22 11:58 [#02626883]
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SOLIDARITY
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-22 22:55 [#02626901]
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-04-23 01:06 [#02626907]
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✊LAZY_TITLE
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2023-04-23 13:11 [#02626915]
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i don't want to watch it but what does she say about dworkin? (i'm a dworkin stan)
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-23 15:23 [#02626917]
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basically she tone polices her, finding some of her stuff to radical (also in this section the woman that shot andy warhol is mentioned), but she says dworkin writes awesomely and she uses her writing to make points about trans exclusionary radical feminists
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2023-04-28 12:12 [#02627007]
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i judge people by appearances and i can't take the judgements & words of a man in a dress seriously, particularly if that man is going to try to gaslight me into believing he is a woman and that he will use society, the state, and the establishment to bully & harass individuals into believing it as well. you might even be one of his very own ideological flying monkeys willing to guilt/shame/harass me on his behalf for not believing he is a woman.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2023-04-28 12:40 [#02627008]
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grow up
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2023-04-28 14:10 [#02627010]
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Grow up
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big
from lsg on 2023-04-28 16:45 [#02627013]
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shup up
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