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anyways, it's not that i don't read those passages, or that i think you're off base... in fact, though i don't agree with every little thing, this seems solid, and now what you need is to rephrase it so people on reddit will actually read it and process this is epcimegatrax telling you "this is when everyone tells me TLDR, now you're doing it by spamming dead white guy prose" |
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someone on here -- wolfslice maybe? -- said something something "...but when you start getting into nostalgic stuff about your dad" and, hmm. that i'm always going to be a freaking tangent factory. but then when you're on a tangent of a tangent of a tangent -- that's too tangential. that by the time i get to writing something like that i've already wandered far off of my original point and i'm just kind of livestreaming doing a ghost in the shell dive through my memories. so, it's not that dad stuff is never relevant, it's more that if i find myself there, i should step back for a moment and check if i've gone too far; delete a bunch of it i've caught a good few of these already. that, believe it or not, i do listen sometimes |
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even THAT tangent, about being tangential, was tangential! ;p on my end I looked at that 2013 post where everyone was celebrating margret thatcher dying. And then I googled "Margret Thatcher censorship" to see if *I* hate her too. There was a little bit about state run media and how they portray northern ireland. Not great. But nothing about ghosts in video games, so whatever she's better than fucking china, for sure. |
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"Do I hate this person?" is a very 2023, zoomer way to approach something. I almost always answer "no," though. Too cynical to hate, proper gen x |
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Got no love for the Thatch but don't hate her neither take a peak at her hatch; conservative beaver? Yeah, I'm still eager with the Prime Min meetup, Tony Blair called he's in. |
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Thatchy baby you gonna Xi and genocide the Uyghur Mus? Fuck it if you gonna rub my face with that fuzz |
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Wife and I watched that whole documentary ( ). Tried to listen to it first while driving but it a lot of chinese interviews wit subtitles. Was really good, unbiased and almost made me want to cry when it showed how happy people were to simply go to school after decades of Mao's re-education. It's funny because the documentary cites the reason for the speed of their growth as a lack of regulation, they didn't have the kind of protections other developed nations had by this era. The experts there, every one of them, refers to it as a current single party state, btw. And I found it telling that Xi Jinping's father was such a high ranking member of the Party. One of his positions was literally "Party propaganda chief." That gives me a pretty good idea of the actual political maneuverability there. Beyond that every expert in the documentary treated the government's heavy involvement in the economy as either a series of question marks (????) or an outright negative for their future prospects. |
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The doc didn't really get into it but I can see some of the positives of a massive state controlling the economy... Probably less outright corruption (US style), and less individual entities financially gaming the system. Of course, in that kind of bureaucracy they play their own special games. 3.6 rontgen reading in Chernobyl. . |
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And then I googled "Margret Thatcher censorship" to see if *I* hate her too by the time she was on my radar she'd been put out to pasture with an agenda of gradually increasing dementia. we had some good times on zilty in 2012 or such messing about with that photo of her looking like a methamphetamine skeleton surrounded by Young Conservatives ...you have to ask google if you hate something? this is strange to me; i'm usually pretty clear about most other than how overboard i've gone today. if you have the gift, you're holding yourself back from hating anything too hard. that it can almost be like cumming. gorging yourself on vehemence. i will hate the shit out of something and savor it like a steak, extra rare, with red to follow and i think trump likes steak too |
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i want to own my own house on a large plot of land so i can curse the shit out of my computer and have zero worry that neighbors will hear it. |
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dosimeter, tho. hell of a word |
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Deng will be remembered as one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people's material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People's Republic was that we didn't pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Pauperism is not socialism, still less communism. Read , brief and absolutely vital to understanding China and the CPC |
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i remember doing a module for GCSE history, on the shooting down of a US spyplane over china. it focused mainly on the diplomatic back-and-forth, and deng xiaoping thought was either ignored or presented as just protectionism and repression, without even bad/biased translations of what he was saying. and what he was saying (in 1984!) seems to be reasonable and moderate, especially after mao's willingness to, er, experiment |
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When I was reading The Three Body Problem by Chinese scifi writer Cixin Liu a few years ago i was surprised how much scathing criticism there was of the cultural revolution. As an ignorant westoid I'd figured you just didn't criticize the revolutionary hero. Even so I've read that the general Chinese take on Mao is mostly good and partly bad, and they don't let him off the hook for the bad stuff. But it's nuanced, because they also recognize all the good he did and how he set the stage for independence and development. Most of what we get in Western media about China is pure disinfo and if you trace the source you often find it's Radio Free Asia, a literal US propaganda outlet. I profusely apologize in advance for this guy's hairstyle but it's good information. |
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yikes, the CIA really can't keep their beak out of ppl's biz can they have you read wild swans by jung chang? it's outdated now but worth a go, even if it can be a bit of a slog. that's the only proper history of the people's republic i've read, still yr basic ignorant roundeyes |
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Funny you should mention her, I recently saw her Mao book in a used bookstore and looked it up to see if it's any good. Turns out it's "16 historians wrote a on how bad it is" bad. From what I can gather she's the Anne Applebaum of popular writing on China. I can't speak to her other books but I would raise a cautionary eyebrow. |
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well, wild swans is certainly anti-mao, but it's presented as an autobiographical account, not an analytical or even overtly political work. god damn agendas behind everything huh, maybe i should revisit it with a more critical eye |
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epic: "...you have to ask google if you hate something?" Only if I'm an dumb, ignorant american about it... like I am with Margret Thatcher. No hate for her though, conservatives have an important job to do in a healthy government based on checks and balances. She seems like an interesting one. tony D: You (and the doc) sold me on Deng Xiaoping. He seems AIGHT, better than Mao by a million degrees. You write off a lot of China's Bullshit as disinformation, or in your words "retarded faggotry," and I *do* tend to think you're soft as fuck on China. Talk to me about your thoughts on their Social Credit Score? I am genuinely interested. |
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freely admitting I'd prefer Margret Thatcher to Xi Jinping in 2023, is basically tantamount to what... flying a dang swastika? but there it is, you soy xltronic fucks. there it is. |
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Social credit? What you "know" about it is almost entirely pure bullshit. Even Wikipedia, that tool of Western ideological conformity, admits "The program is mainly focused on businesses and is very fragmented, contrary to the popular misconceptions that it is focused on individuals and is a centralized system." But hey you've probably seen stock footage of Chinese people walking in the street (gosh! there's so many of them) with a concerned voice-over by Leslie Stahl, so how I'm gonna compete with that? |
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If you like Deng you should like Xi who is carrying on the work of . That doc is, I understand, a CGTN / PBS co-production. The English speaking host I've seen before, on a PBS philosophy interview series called Closer to Truth, also very good. Thatcher is the opposite of Deng. You know that Simpsons bit where Homer is evolving and Moe walks past in the opposite direction, devolving? Thatcher is Moe. Also, in passing, soy? Really? It's 2023 dude the twenty teens are over. What's next, something something triggered snowflake? |
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"That doc" meaning, the one I just linked, not the one on Deng. |
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I'll check that out doc out. I asked in good faith because I'm interested in your opinion. I dunno who Leslie Stahl is. Believe it or not, I don't really have a news "jerk off" pipeline. Don't consider myself right, much less alt-right, and I think most media is full of bias. I've tried all the names once or twice, find them idealists or rage baiters. You can (and probably should) make fun of me here--- but politically I most agree with Bill Maher or shit like South Park (even though it's really not one of my favorites, i always *agree* with their takes). In most every sense, I'm probably just a very classical liberal and totally willing to take on social programs and certain reforms because it's PRACTICAL. And Deng seemed practical as well, so that's why I said he was decent. I'm worried about the social credit score, in part because I'm worried it's going to happen everywhere as AI advances. It seems easy to do. It seems inevitable. But I'm not parroting some dumbass viewpoint from like Rogan or Ben Shapiro. It's just my own take and it's good to get some second opinions. ARE you too soft on China's authoritarian bullshit ? I do think so, but that doesn't mean I'll write you off cause you aren't in a rage about one thing or another. I'll check out the rest of those materials when I have time. I am interested. |
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the most rage baity thing in my feed is this one called "The Critical Drinker." He heavily shits on pop culture for clicks, but he's still pretty funny. That's about as far as I go. |
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Haha! It's funny because Leslie Stahl is the only US journalist I could think of. However I'm Canadian and never watch TV so what do I know. OK so I also know Tucker but that would be bait. |
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I miss Tom Brokaw. He was my favorite and I always used to tivo nbc nightly news and Jon Stewart, every weekday night. I got nothing now, news wise. It's turning me into some kind of hobgoblin who is a bit unclear on everything. |
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Also used to tivo Ebert and Roper (I watched Siskel and Ebert too but Sisk died pre-tivo). The first time I felt genuinely old was when I mentioned "Siskel and Ebert" to a young co-worker and he had no idea wtf I was talking about. "Come on man. Siskel and Ebert? Two Thumbs Up?" *blank stare.* |
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> Also used to tivo Ebert and Roper (I watched Siskel and Ebert too but Sisk died pre-tivo). did u mean: tibert, evo, and raper? |
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alright. i remember seeing siskel and ebert together, maybe, like... three times? but if you count seeing the same thing a few times, then perhaps six -- while i'm not certain, i think it was some pre-recorded thing they played before every movie at the theater. my memory for things things is distractingly accurate. in the end, though, it's all very vague. i saw just enough to have some sort of vague, dream-like impression of who they were, that their reach did extend through the papers, i think if you remember newspapers you'd get the "two thumbs up thing" -- but you may not know who siskelbert is. that, for whatever reason, i was reflecting on this one day -- i think just wandered into it on a wikipedia dive -- and so i pulled them up on youtube. watching it as an adult after having nothing but 3-6 instances that feel like dreams at this point reactions were: A1) wow, it's just so farty and dead here. that i feel like they're the last living humans and they're on some spaceship and review movies. i think there was another show based on this concept... A2) the audio sounds more dead and reflection-less than if... oh... alec empire set up a studio on the supercooled mirror of the james web space telescope? the only sound ~ their voices, forever. no echo, no reflection. no motion, no interruptions. no change of scene. just this purgatory of two people arguing. this is absolutely not salient to whether their reviews were any good or not B) right as i am getting this first impression (A1-2) gluing my perception together with dream-like memories, the encoding on the youtube vid sharts out and i get the screenshot i posted. bon apparat |
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on the other hand. left a very crisp memory. bless it |
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that -- merely an impression -- a lot of 80s talk TV shows feel like this almost claustrophobic thing. that you're meeting someone from another culture and their culture says for them to park their nose three millimeters from your nostril. despite the inferior audio you are too close; you can hear lunch vibrating in their teef. then also, because the inferior audio, perhaps you have a 60hz hum, adding to this surreal dissociated feeling. i think it's same as kung fu movies all using the same shit flanger and delay fx; they didn't really have nonlinear editing and de-essing and careful with that sibilance eugene but on a show like siskel and ebert, it's rather magnified. that i've never really watched MST3K properly, just clips, enough for the flavor -- but i immediately thought: hell this is where the idea came from. this feeling like you're stuck on a space capsule for eternity with these two and they just review movies forever |
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!! attempt at summarization !! despite the inferior audio you are too close; you can hear lunch vibrating in their teef. then also, because the inferior audio, perhaps you have a 60hz hum, adding to this surreal dissociated feeling combined with this is absolutely not salient to whether their reviews were any good or not like -- this has a fucking vibe to it. adjective, dissociative -- that they didn't do dissociatives, no way, but after enough booze and valium, they met up at the inn with the same adventurers then we go back to a lot of 80s talk TV shows feel like this almost claustrophobic thing. that you're meeting someone from another culture and their culture says for them to park their nose three millimeters from your nostril. which is why -- the dream-memory gluing together with current sensory input from now, what fell out of the back of my head was MST3K, and yes, this is it. whoever came up with MST3K is just in this hazy floating bubble with these two shadowy figures, who are more just voices, actually, who, whenever their show airs, pull you into this weird strange eternal time warp where just movie reviews forever. then get someone who's a bit older than me and any number of routes from there -- weird dreams after falling asleep watching it, drug experimentation, whatever. someone just took the escape pod vibe of siskelbert and expanded it into their own thing with more characters and motion |
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their reviews: agree with some, disagree with others. existential criticism: i'll freely use the "two thumbs up" metaphor myself, but i actually hate this as a ratings schema. there's absolutely no granularity to it. i always thought this, seeing it in the newspapers, like: these guys that do 1-5 stars are giving me better quality data it's like "7 out of 8 dentists are at at least vaguely sure they know someone who likes this movie" and this was fucking marketing; it's so mild that every movie poster has their name on it, even if it was a very. weak. two thumbs up but then i'm gathering that was merely for their brand, and what they actually offered was a good nerd fight. and i never saw that from just seeing "two thumbs up" over and over |
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it's a bit of a long pull, but... mm, yes, Bob Iger 2028. destroying the anus of one Ron DeSantis could really put him on the map |
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