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dumbo twump |
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finnigins footpath |
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oafus psychopathus |
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Rock star Ted Nugent played what was billed as a "fire-breathing" rendition of the US national anthem on his electric guitar, interrupted by an obscenity-laced diatribe that included attacks on the "jack-booted thugs" in the federal government who he said have been wrongfully imprisoning Trump supporters who stormed the US Capitol on 6 January, 2021. again, usually this would go in accounts |
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my immediate hunch was they bailed on the grand jury for security reasons. that either the FBI got wind of such a level of shit that... alright, delay it... or they're negotiating how trump would head in before even dropping the indictment, because you don't want to give the idiots a window... for security reasons... and hell, for security reasons -- make trump wrong. let his goon squad stew for a bit; they have a very short attention span. but then, counterargument is that trump's mouth is filling the vacuum and defining the case before it's even been unveiled |
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Meanie acid bad boy stepper |
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Trump was due to surrender at the Manhattan District Attorney's Office on Tuesday and likely will be fingerprinted and photographed prior to his appearance before a judge at an arraignment proceeding where he will plead not guilty. The prints will then match a cold case from the late 70s... |
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but, yes. i've been trying to figure bragg out, and i think that's what there is to figure out. he seems like somewhat of a close-to-the-vest tactician trump is convinced it's next tuesday. the tension simmers. everyone waits. nothing happens. trump relaxes. he starts buying into the rumor it won't happen for a month at least; if ever then, wham: see you next tuesday if that's what bragg does, well, this could be good. or at least not the utter shitshow we're all wincing over the thot of |
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oh that would be perfect, fingers crossed it's something totally heinous |
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read numerous accounts that he's all freaked out about them printing him. obvious thought from there: oh reallllly? i kept thonk: he was the president; it'd be absurd no one has his prints on file. but then he was the president of america; it's possible this could more be about his prints being put into the criminal system, which triggers a run for matches it may just be about the stolen classified docs case -- he was all, "it's cool, i handled them all personally" and pretty much every lawyer was facepalming, like -- you idiot, now you can't stick the blame on anyone else. your lawyer is an idiot for letting you do that |
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"Donald Trump Gag Order" that is the most beautiful phrase i've heard in a while. it has the same ring to it as some old watmm chestnut, "Gary Glitter Slumber Party" |
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As inmate Trump worked the crowd, one woman pointed directly at him. “It’s Hillary Clinton,” she said, ignoring his face. “Hey, Hillary, you finally got locked up.” |
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you know, stormy daniels is pretty much the one thing no one's every really argued about, or gone deep Q-state on nope. instead it's "he banged some porn star and paid the press to bury the story, duh" and there's not even a wacko conspiracy theory for this one, because everyone simply accepted it'd happened and moved on with whatever worldview they held. |
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the trump-and-trucks alpha fatty contingent obviously thought it was great trump banged a pornstar while married. in fact, trying to argue he didn't would probably play worse with 'em. take that, Q |
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for once no one believes trump, when he says he never "slept" with her ...she says it lasted 45 seconds. if that's true, well... let's do some napkin math on how much that 45 seconds cost |
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oh, them. it used to be a good fit -- they targeted "upper-middle class educated people" now they've declared that this isn't going to cut it; that their target market is "young, hip, and woke" and it is no longer a good fit |
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implying that these two demographics do not have much overlap -- well, John Lansing said it, not me |
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2025: President DeSantis opens the first camps for NPR listeners |
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since twump "indicated," that stubbly little gitmo lawyer been dropping off the radar so hard he's beginning to red-shift |
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very well then 2025: President Trump opens the first camps for NPR listeners |
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if you want to be a bastard, do it properly: president desantis opens the first camps for women who have had abortions, after president trump chokes on steak -- making vice-prez desantis president desantis -- following their landslide win after biden has a mini-stroke and becomes unable to say anything except the word "eggplant" while ahead in the polls, in the final leg of the campaign. trump choking on the steak throws the press for a loop, as his conviction from before the election in georgia finally runs out of legal stall tactics, hits sentencing, and since he was convicted before being in office he can still go to jail, but he's president, but nevermind he chokes on steak but in truth, it will be far less satisfying: trump will crush the split field in the primaries, then bomb in the general election. biden will win another round, as is typical for a sitting prez. congress -- who knows, but it'll be a slim margin either way, again. probably the most interesting thing will be to see if joe manchin is replaced by a republican. it would be an utterly suiting end to that shitstain's attempt to stay in office at all costs then we'll have another four years of biden, like, mildly repairing some of trump's damage, preventing WWIII, but nothing that actually makes you sit up and say, "hey, cool" instead kamela harris has an obnoxious travel itinerary covered by the press in prep for here 2028 bid which has about as much chance as mike pence in the end, the usual democrat standard of "while we've stopped it from circling the drain, we aim to disappoint on most every other level -- or, at the very least, be as boring as possible" |
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lots of luck in your senior center |
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my standard position on deciding who should be president: who has the least annoying voice? because you'll be hearing that voice in the supermarket, in uber cars, etc. for the next four years biden crushes trump, in that regard -- trump is grating and actively obnoxious. biden reminds me of trying to keep my forehead from slamming into my desk, calculus class, 8am, sophomore year of high school |
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> biden has a mini-stroke and becomes unable to say anything except the word "eggplant" Biden: "eggplant eggplant, eggplant eggplant eggplant eggplant, eggplant egg- ... eggplant -- eggplant eggplant egg eggplant, eggplant, eggplant -- eggplant!" [my fellow americans, during my time it has been my privilege to be the president of this great nation, and i aim to continue the -- continue that -- unprecedented accomplishments in global relations, climate change, and civil rights -- over the next four years!] Debate Moderator: President Biden, are you... alright? Biden: Eggplant! |
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Trump: is this about my dick again? fuck you. you assholes can say what you want about it, but you know where it's been because i got indicated [sic] over it so take that i was thinking: is trump denying the stormy fling about his marriage? ...and, no, if this would kill it, it'd have died long ago, lol ...that, actually, it's about stormy d's prince toadstool comments. that if he admits they banged, that means she's seen it, and that lends it legitimacy. however -- lol -- he wouldn't react so strongly if it weren't true i mean, i assumed it was. just like the allegations he'd slept with her. but this is all quite confirmation about the anatomy part in my book |
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trump is a sociopathic, narcissistic, neurotic [germaphobe], borderline... that he has sort of hit a grand square in a way that is beautifully horrid. i can't tell if it's simply constant emotional redline that has him sleeping four hours a night, amphetamines, or both. in any case, i am certain that his insecurities and paranoia are the entirety of his reality, and that he spends twenty hours a day obsessing over it all. so, we'll never crack all of it, because no one can keep up with that level of moody, brooding rumination. no one has that much time in the day except trump. i think that is key to his success, really ...but we can figure out bits of it, here and there. usually in retrospect. the reason he's so adamant the stormy thing didn't happen is one of these bits. took until today for me to put that one together. |
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The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas; hence of the relationships which make the one class the ruling one, therefore, the ideas of its dominance. |
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If I collect just 7 more tumors in The End is Nigh I'll go from stage 2 to stage 3 cancer and earn a Steam achievement. |
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that i imagine tony went to ron, and said, "ron, look. epics said you're falling off the radar so hard, you're beginning to red shift, and he's right about these things sometimes" ron replied: "shit, you're right! i'll go beat up on disney some more, because that will play well with my base. just like texas state congress picking on austin and the US congress picking on DC. it's sure to work" ...and it will play very well. in florida. somewhat in the primaries. or not. that's about where he'll crumple and we'll switch from ron or don to ron 'n' don trump and his nicknames. "Ronald McDonald," if it weren't so on the nose he'd be using that already. i swear. |
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i think we can all agree that gavin newsom should shut up; quietly zip himself back up into his organic aloe preservation pod. i know you're jealous that mccartney is sucking up all the cali air. i know you want to be sure it's clear you feel you're a backup if biden ducks out. just shut up |
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mccarthy. the communism witch hunt guy. not the english stoner that just likes messing with tape |
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how about all this news tho to steal from Stephen Colbert, there is no match for the size of Clarence Thomas's jurisprudence, first off then the Tennessee thing. milfplex abortion tablets. Ukraine document leak. mario movie ron who? he feels even more fuzzy and fake than that other guy who used to be in the news -- you know, the one with the [bad] hair but then a song or some crap said, "what a difference a day makes, 24 little hours" and who knows what the fuck is on tap for tomorrow. SWAT storms disneyland |
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it can be hard to keep up with yourself sometimes |
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i've been stewing on how to respond to this, whatever it is. that i have read the great economists -- you know, Adam Savage, Maynard James Keenan, etc. -- but that was a while ago and it's all jumbled in my hed. i found that stuff kind of a snooze and things like the caning of sumner are much clearer than any of that Savage Funk and whatever this is, whoever wrote it -- you're a time warp here, bro. 200 years out of date. you need to update your messaging how about: why is my time worth, say, $80/hr while some CEO's time is worth $8000/hr? are they really worth the extra dosh? and it's just one of those rhetorical questions where you've already made the point before you answer your own question. to wit: i came back days later, having actually read this passage, and oh, hmm, what is it that i'm getting at here? most people on, like... reddit... will just view the whole blurb as a blur and say "lol he's quoting some dead white guy" and conclude you're a pretentious twat and move on. it's only on xltronic that someone will actually take a moment to process |
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What, then, is the cost of production of labour-power? It is the cost required for the maintenance of the labourer as a labourer, and for his education and training as a labourer. Therefore, the shorter the time required for training up to a particular sort of work, the smaller is the cost of production of the worker, the lower is the price of his labour-power, his wages. In those branches of industry in which hardly any period of apprenticeship is necessary and the mere bodily existence of the worker is sufficient, the cost of his production is limited almost exclusively to the commodities necessary for keeping him in working condition. The price of his work will therefore be determined by the price of the necessary means of subsistence. Here, however, there enters another consideration. The manufacturer who calculates his cost of production and, in accordance with it, the price of the product, takes into account the wear and tear of the instruments of labour. If a machine costs him, for example, 1,000 shillings, and this machine is used up in 10 years, he adds 100 shillings annually to the price of the commodities, in order to be able after 10 years to replace the worn-out machine with a new one. In the same manner, the cost of production of simple labour-power must include the cost of propagation, by means of which the race of workers is enabled to multiply itself, and to replace worn-out workers with new ones. The wear and tear of the worker, therefore, is calculated in the same manner as the wear and tear of the machine. |
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Thus, the cost of production of simple labour-power amounts to the cost of the existence and propagation of the worker. The price of this cost of existence and propagation constitutes wages. The wages thus determined are called the minimum of wages. This minimum wage, like the determination of the price of commodities in general by cost of production, does not hold good for the single individual, but only for the race. Individual workers, indeed, millions of workers, do not receive enough to be able to exist and to propagate themselves; but the wages of the whole working class adjust themselves, within the limits of their fluctuations, to this minimum. |
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(CEO positions on the level you're talking, on the other hand, are musical chairs for the ownership class and one wouldn't be allowed in that position unless he were already raking in 10x the CEO compensation in capital gains. This ensures his class loyalty.) |
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you always post the problems pretty eloquently. the solutions? can they be done without artificial equity and simple government confiscation and re-distribution? Cause that's never worked in "the people's" favor beyond one bad despot leader. And those leaders will always come. I believe, for the most part, people in non-third world countries are not traded in for a better machine after 10 years, so the model is only talking about some kind of dystopian scenario, which is, funnily enough, more pronounced under historically marxist regimes (through the respective despots that ALWAYS end up usurping such large single party governmental apparati) |
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I make 2 assumptions 1. the quality of life is, for the most part, higher than what you're purporting in a democratic society. sure, this doesn't apply if you're spending all your welfare money on crack cocaine, but that's a small %, and for the most part it's better than what you describe. 2. a system of even MINOR checks and balances like the US had prevented an authoritarian demagogue like Trump to do much harm. Yeah that's right, he didn't do much. He would have IF he could have though. Is there a better system that DOESN'T rely on some stupid, doughy eyed optimism about how it'll be fine if we yield all "means of production" to the government? You just pretend no one will usurp it? |
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last time in this vein I kind of joked that you SMOKED ME in response, but it wasn't really a joke... You're far more articulate (at least at stating the nature of problems) than I am. But I would like at least one real world example of a time where the MEANS OF PRODUCTION was yielded to the government and it actually worked out. |
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Ah, the state. Can the state be trusted? It depends who owns, operates and benefits from the state. Workers who create value, or owners who harvest the value? You've probably absorbed a lot of retarded turbofaggotry about China. is a good first antidote. If anyone's worked out from painful experience how to make socialism and a dynamic market work together in a transitional phase, they have. In China, there is a market, but it's not in the driver's seat. You're about to see a lot of the world emulate the Chinese model, in which there's a market, but the people control the commanding heights of the economy. Especially as the US collapses and loses its ability to punish states who dare to run their countries for the benefit of their own people. |
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I totally should have guessed the answer would be China, lol. I mean i asked from an economic standpoint, and they certainly are growing and pulling more out of abject poverty every day. I probably should have also stipulated, however, that it shouldn't be a single party quasi dictatorship where the individuals can't even access a free idea on the internet and have "ghosts" censored out of their PC games. (They're a spiritual toxin.) The fact that China was the best you could do just speaks to how shitty this world actually is. |
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Dum thread# |
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single party quasi dictatorship it isn't, there are elections according to democratic centralism under which there are, believe it or not, multiple parties. Xi Jinping serves at the will of the people and can be removed. Last time China was widely by westoids there was 95% approval of Beijing. Compare that to 38% approval of Washington. Why? Because in the US the people are not in control. The money is. the individuals can't even access a free idea on the internet Coming from a guy in a country where big tech media is in bed with the government to promote and suppress various viewpoints, and where a journalist is being extradited to face trial for telling the truth... I dunno, man. People I know who live in China say that everyone who wants to uses a VPN and no one gives a shit. So much for the Great Firewall. and have "ghosts" censored out of their PC games. Oh yeah, well here I agree with you. Have a country where the government is run by and for the people and the main goal is development and the alleviation of poverty, fine, but fuck with a man's video games ghosts? It's time for nuculer. |
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Yeah, I can't really explain why the ghost censorship is so triggering. It seems to be a fundamental part of my makeup. I won't apologize for it (or stop picking at this kind of shit), but I recognize it can look foolish in terms of priority. If Xi Jinping can really be removed, that's to the good. I get heavy "I'm no longer President, so now I'm the Prime Minister" vibes, but history will be the ultimate judge. Just being clear, I don't think I can be sold on an easy transfer of power when the bureaucracy is that large. Political opponents tend to just disappear. I do not understand China's economic system well and will listen to that video when driving home later, open mindedly if it doesn't seem to heavy handed. And definitely, you'll get no corporate dicksucking here, the tech censorship is awful. I mean I can say something nasty about Trump or Biden or Winnie The Pooh without having my door kicked in, but say it loud enough and paypal might cut off access to my account or something. It's fucked. I don't have any answers to how to fix this stuff short of just letting it all fall apart and resetting. Recycle im sorry for being a debbie downer. of a very friendly looking bug who definitely doesn't give a shit about geo-politics! |
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(CEO positions on the level you're talking, on the other hand, are musical chairs for the ownership class and one wouldn't be allowed in that position unless he were already raking in 10x the CEO compensation in capital gains. This ensures his class loyalty.) you missed the best part, at least what felt to me the one point i hadn't considered in all of it: The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships ...that a CEO exists and makes -- fuck you, it's more than 10x, more like 50x -- to provide a life script and trajectory to the average worker. like telling a child, "you could be president some day" i'll actually dial it back a bit. being a CEO is a 24/7 job and i'm not sure i have what it takes to get out of bed at 4am sunday nite and straighten out, like... while it's 4am sunday nite to me, it's very thoroughly monday in japan, and japan has a monday problem. i'd miss it because i'd have my phone shut off. so there is arguably something to justify... a bit more. ...but i think it's more like this, despite all you've said: executives make a vastly disproportionate amount of money because they control everyone's salaries. they control, to a certain extent, the appointing of their own, of other/new executives. so of course they bring in their buddies. and yes, musical chairs |
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