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Question for you guys, do you believe that it’s like the cliché says and that if you learn you don’t have much time left you live life to the fullest? Create a bucket list, take up classes, go travelling etc? I find it hard to believe people react like that. |
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I’m not saying I don’t have long. I’m asking for a friend and generally curious re the issue. |
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no in theory you’re supposed to be doing it now cause who knows how long you have to live |
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but motivation is our common problem i guess |
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that reaction -- it's not a cliche, really, it's a distinct psychological response, would argue -- occurs when people have been telling themselves, "oh, yes, someday i'll do that" but they're not actually moving in the direction. it's not that they deny their mortality, it just feels like... oh, yes, i'll die someday. plenty of time. having a doctor tell you, "you're going to die, and here's a distinct clock" robs you of the luxury of being so vague about your future goals. i deal with this on a different level, with ADHD. i have enough "oh yes, someday i'll do that" for six lives and doctors haven't given me a hardcore deadline (yet) but for better or worse i got to "i'm going to die someday and i'm not even sure i'll get through 1/6 of this shit" on my own. but, still, some sort of terminal diagnosis on the scale of "a few months" would absolutely reorder my brain on top of this. it's strange know that's how i'd react, and... so why not just do it now? but that's not how the mind works. |
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i thought about it a bit more, and you can actually land on a more or less mathematical justification for the shift in attitude: some of the bucket list stuff is hedonistic, risky, etc. and i figure like most, a good chunk of what i've crossed off my personal bucket list has simply because the opportunity came up, and, hell, why not? when else will i get the chance? but it's a different thing entirely to instead aggressively seek out these targets. expensive. hedonistic. possibly risky. etc that it arguably hardens the mind into a particular course: when you shift to this mode; limited time and bucket list, you harden as a mind. you don't seek out new things; there's no time to branch out. you stop growing. you're dedicated to finishing up. |
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just thinking: one was "be on tv" and not like "be in some sitcom" more just like "thoroughly be on tv for the fuck of it" and , almost 20 years ago. that, really, i got the whole experience as part of that, and i consider it thoroughly done. but 20 years from now, who's going to understand what the fuck it meant to someone who grew up in the 90s to be in a few episodes of some TV show? there's that neo-nazi chick that just got arrested, recently, for plotting to blow up a bunch of power substations around baltimore, because she was "terminally ill" with something kidney-related. it's essentially desperation to be relevant, to make her life relevant, from what i read. that she didn't succeed is like... oh, thank heck... but also, in a strange way, i kind of feel for her putting her whole bucket list budget into this and simply walking right into the arms of the FBI. i'd probably more be in a panic to sort out a whole life's worth of shit, 9/10 of which is not really available anywhere |
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photography. that i've slowed up because busier; less distractable... but a stretch where i was taking thousands of photos a year... gradually rolled up into better cameras; inherited a canon rebel EOS from my dad. series of canon powershots from before that, all of which still work. a little samsung pocket one for casual at the faire whatever when you're that prolific for that long, and it's just a pile of... dated folders of when you copied the card of... yeah, people would appreciate a lot of this; i used to have some up and it's confirmed. but it's just such a huge morass and i don't have time to mine 100000 photos for the best 1000. but if it's clear i'm dying; fuck writing a new track let's sort that out. etc anyone want the photos? genuinely curious. because it's just one thing of many, and if i ever have to prioritize... just asking |
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[tangent from previous post please ignore] so i grabbed a few and very quickly like i don't even remember taking this, but it's clearly a very honest self-portrait with the camera timer. i was looking for the pretty photos; that i get very trippy fractal photographing trees. but there's more and i just had a fun half hour or so grabbing a bunch of utterly random crap and not even finding the jivver-relevant photo i was looking for in the first place. |
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Until it happens to you…. I tell you, you get depressed, you don’t go out kite surfing. And often you’re too week to get out of bed or your flat. The idea that “instinct” kicks in is a load of bollocks. |
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rest in peace |
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i got given 2 years to live by some cunt nurse who was in no position to make claims like that, i responded by boshing every drug i could find and spending all day playing acoustic guitar with 2 butter knives. 7 years and counting bitch but russ is absolutely correct here |
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rust in peas |
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The man given three months to live leaves the clinic and sees a healthy lad get run over by an omnibus and killed. |
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We all die, so in a way we’re all dying. But if some of you can’t see the difference between being very sick and told the prognosis is bad and accepting you could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Then I believe this question can only really be answered by people going through the process itself. Thanks for you input, belb. You seem to understand what I’m talking about. |
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oh shut you insufferable bore, being on death's door doesn't make you any more interesting, Wakeman dodged a bullet |
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wahh my famous daddy never loved me so I turned into a miserable passive-aggressive loser to spite him, nobody has it as hard as me, cry cry cry; you're nothin' Ben, you've always been nothin' and pretty soon you'll literally be nothin' |
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I dunno about a full bucket list, but if I was single and diagnosed with something terminal, I'd absolutely want to spend every cent I have travelling. And I would end things on my own terms with a bottle of opioids or something. Being married changes that as it would create a financial hardship for the wife, obviously. |
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says the guy who moans every opportunity he gets cause his ex knocked on his door a couple times lol |
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what a little biatch |
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now, thinking about being given the scenario of a very short terminal diagnosis, i usually think about doing risky things, having unprotected sex etc.., i wouldnt otherwise. there probably are more things to add to the list having a party going out as opposed to stretching life out thin. BUT! its hard to tell until you get on THAT list. i feel pretty stressed out about life just by ageing, i hear now smoking can get you a relief. |
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I think the point people are missing is that you’re not well, tired, drugged, and in pain. Nausea alone if crippling enough will stop anyone from going to the local shops let alone go on a trip around the world. If you were to have no symptoms then why not but the other factor is mental like depression, hopelessness and fear. |
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Until it happens to you…. I tell you, you get depressed, you don’t go out kite surfing. And often you’re too week to get out of bed or your flat. The idea that “instinct” kicks in is a load of bollocks. are you speaking to me? if not, sorry i'm replying like you were forgot the context of the thread for the moment, when i read that. thought: "yes, you don't have to tell me, i've easily lost 2-4 years of my life if you add up all the time i was hung up in bed" and it still gets me a bit. i'm generally able to stave off anything more than losing a few hours these days ...then, oh yes, in the context of "limited time to live." and, i dunno, my initial response would pretty much be like the house is on fire. just rushing to get it all nailed down as much as i can before the structure loses integrity. but then perhaps i would exhaust myself and have a moment of collapse... repeatedly... here and there... but if we're talking "months left" i'd just be too bothered about all my stupid flaming crap, tens of thousands of photos, thousands of unreleased this or that, and my mum wouldn't have a clue and the hard drive would just go in the trash. |
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I think the point people are missing is that you’re not well, tired, drugged, and in pain. Nausea alone if crippling enough will stop anyone from going to the local shops let alone go on a trip around the world. If you were to have no symptoms then why not but the other factor is mental like depression, hopelessness and fear. why, yes, i did miss this. you didn't specify! that feeling physically like poop can change the emotional equation a lot. that if it saps your physical energy, well, you don't have the energy to do shit? you have to rest a lot? i'm half serious when i say my response would be to, like, just get ahold of a shit-ton of amphetamines or horse tranquilizers or whatever the fuck it'd take -- if it's ending, it's ending, and given that it's ending, perhaps an absurd level of drugs can help you take care of things before you go. sounds like we're talking about chemo, here, from the nose of it. to me, personally, the thresholds would really depend on the specifics -- feel like shit for a year to live beyond three months? perhaps. feel like shit for eighteen months to live 1.5 years instead of a year? mmm, no, fuck treatment, i think i'd prefer to just rinse it out and then: i don't have kids, nothing like that really roping me into decisions like "if you make it four months past a year you can see little so and so's graduation" etc. and in that context throw everything i've said away because i've no idea how that'd feel. |
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instead, more know how it feels that there's not really anyone i feel would really need me to stick around an extra few months, or whatnot. you'd miss me sometimes but life would largely go on uninterrupted. |
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sorry to drag this off topic but whose dub track is that? v nice vid |
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yes, usually symptoms go ahead and and heavy treatment along, really ruining whats left to live. so, happy drugs still may improve the overall situation. after all no time to worry about addiction or money. and health issues may even be secondary. gotta have partners in crime though, if youre already lying in bed. side note, its vital to think ahead in legal terms of who is allowed to pull the plug or various other decisions. after all things can happen quickly or in an accident. |
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anyhow its probably healthier thinking about what you want to enjoy while youre still kicking. regular activities and having fun will not only lead to a fun life, but also possibly extend it to a great deal. |
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Yeah, totally. It's a different story if you've been fighting for a long time, and been on chemo. But it does happen sometimes, something feels a little off... a trip to the doctor... you've got colon cancer and it spread to your liver and you've got 2 years. In THAT case, if that happened today and I had the resources, and no one that I'm responsible for, I would not opt for chemo. I would book trips scandinavia and japan, I would prey that George R. R. Martin and Patrick Rothfuss would finish their fucking fantasy series I'm reading (they wouldn't.), and I'd prepare to end my own life comfortably in a year. I'm mentally wired up a bit differently than average though, I think. |
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