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i really don't understand why people want discord to kill this board, but it does feel like they're doing a right proper job. but, why? why would you want to replace something storied and stained with joint burns with some stupid electron framework toy universe? that in particular, some people... like, tony fleetmouse, where the fuck is your head at? you do realize once discord kills all the unique and charismatic forums, they'll be like, "alright, pay up suckaz" and then there will be "anonymized" ads based on "statistical keyword analysis" they have capitalized on things, like, freenode being idiots and blowing up everyone's account data, the phonie-zation of everyfing, and now they're probably right that if they can kill forums and capture them in their walled garden they can be the next fucking facebook. and good luck with that. i suppose i'm not against checking in sometimes if this place disappears, but i can't see myself any further than popping in for a few minutes just to stay in touch. grudgingly. i haven't logged into facebook in years and that's had a real price, honestly |
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i mean i guess i can see how it might be kind of exciting to contribute my attention, content, relationships, etc. to the next facebook. you guys are building something |
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Well said. what we're witnessing here is the zoomerisation of the Internet |
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It initially formed as a support group for men with very small penises, but evolved to talking about IDM, when I found out about its initially use, I left as I have a gigantic whopper |
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Hypies, I killed the politics channels because they were cancer. Come back, we miss your Aphex updates |
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zilty politics channel. I probably will come back sometime, it gets addictive to type endless reams of shit, i do it on all internet interfaces available |
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there are two buttons. One is labeled, 'Quit all social media forever.' The other is labeled, 'type any random shit that comes into your head forever.' Your finger hovers uncertainly above that the two buttons. |
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go north |
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the discord was pretty quiet up until last week discord catchup: *hyperflake left the discord *mr mathers joined the discord *fleetmouse and dariusgriffin had an argument over politics *lots of new names were posted in the new names channel *belb posted a new album *some lurkers joined xltronic has had more activity over the last week too |
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epic you worry too much about forevers. would you care to elaborate on the price paid for not logging in to fb for years? the internet turned out to be a dystopian nightmare, yes, but I use what i can to keep me from getting too bored |
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new users cant register here so. discord is also mainly a chat room so its more synchronous its nice that xltronic is still around, but not everything needs to be preserved forever. |
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Hypies, I killed the politics channels because they were cancer. Come back, we miss your Aphex updates oh, alright. suddenly your seemingly incongruent -- and, sorry, but fuck technology is dumbed down these days, fucking firefox things incongruent isn't a word! fucking idiot fox 3rd grade reading level etc etc anyways -- suddenly, your seemingly incongruent big-up of discord makes sense. your political views, why are you... oh, okay, you run it. how quickly a bit of power warps our ideals that being said, it's not about that, i think you're actually good to run such a thing. it's more about... do you not see what they've been doing, here? and how close they're getting to, oh, monetization? because they'll want to look good for a fucking IPO eventually? |
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i saw a video the other day saying discord has a lot of investment from tencent, so basically china is spying on all the convos we have on there. |
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see, i didn't even know this. i assumed it was just by-the-numbers "trap them, milk them" silicon valley |
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sorry i read all the responses but, it was actually like, i need to go off and have a good think before replying. is it insane to try, like, writing something on medium.com? because for once i actually feel like i have a coherent perspective that will be relevant to more than a dozen people |
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you are massively mixing concerns and so i've tagged them 1. new users cant register here so. 2. discord is also mainly a chat room so its more synchronous 3. its nice that xltronic is still around 4. but not everything needs to be preserved forever. 1) but this board also has thousands of dormant members going back two decades, and we reliably get "oh hey, haven't seen you in ages, how have you been?" like a freaking advent calendar a couple times a year. you bin this for discord, you lose that -- and if xlt goes down; they'll never even find the discord. presuming, unlike me, they don't feel icky using it 2) i am actually in support of a live chat in parallel to xltronic... but, having it not be synchronous allows people of multiple time zones to have a deeper discussion than typically happens on -- IRC, it should still be IRC, ok? tony can run the server 3) it is. that a lot of what i presumed solid has blown up in the last few months, and it kind of freaks me out this could be a part of it too 4) i started scraping zilty because the A) the search function broke [no worries phobs] and then B) google site search tapped out and stopped archiving anything more than two weeks old. i just wanted to be able to find this or that post from ages ago. but it raises a good point: you can see zilty from twenty years ago; your entire discord could vaporize tomorrow. theoretically, i could scrape that too, but... no, if someone else wants it go right ahead; it'll be obliterated soon enough. not everything needs to be preserved forever, but you'll forgive me for speaking up for this or that particular fing |
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epic you worry too much about forevers. nothing is forever. even if the "thermodynamic death of the universe" thing is a bust, something like that will get us, and in all likelihood we'll have blown ourselves up long before then. like, no one talks about, "how do they stop people from gradually building bombs star trek replicator, if they are clever and just make individual parts?" that as the power of individual humans increase you're also giving it to the bipolar asshole from 13 Monkeys. i'm just arguing why it'd be a mistake to let discord kill zilty. would you care to elaborate on the price paid for not logging in to fb for years? i don't think it's too hard to see. i said above -- paraphrasing -- "ohhh, if zilty goes down, i'll stop in to say hello, to stay in touch." that, by not kowtowing to mark "kermit" zuckerbird, i've lost touch with people from college. things like... a guy from my circle from high school suddenly died like 2020, and i was so stunned i didn't ask how/why. now it's bothering me but i don't want to bring it up again with the guy that told me because i don't want to bum him out. the guy was splitting a house with my first serious girlfriend and her [darn] husband, they just found him on bed. that she's also apeshit for happy hardcore music and i've had loads to send her. i could probably rattle up contact info through the grapevine, i should, but live is bees and marbles as of late and i don't have that sort of social detective bandwidth right now the internet turned out to be a dystopian nightmare, yes, but I use what i can to keep me from getting too bored amused to death, devolution, any number of band music name things |
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i guess i can be even more direct: what freaked me out was seeing discord unveil "we're your forum now, too" -- and i haven't even tried it. i don't care whether it's any good or not. i just see what they're doing -- like i said, trap 'em, milk 'em. contrast that to here, where phobs is arguably more hostage to this madness than in charge. |
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that, yes, i can be cheeky about this, come to think of it: discord? have fun helping the white man box you up into indian reservations |
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previous post; this will now be my parrot answer when people tell me to discord but really, the fucking shit with spellcheck getting stupider... that that's just it... that it's been like: "i could swear spellcheck used to know this word" and with "incongruent" -- which is underlining in red, here -- i fucking have you; i am 112% certain this was not flagged as a spelling error before. so you have the web browser itself, spellcheck, dumbing people down, oh, incongruent isn't a word? but, wait, none of us got that far, because, since it's not a word, as the overlards have defined it, no one knows it exists, since fucking phone autosuggest will actively steer you away from words it does not know, the same way firefox's spellcheck is telling me "incongruent" is wrong. they're wrong. they're incongruent. and fuck them with, like, combine a magnetar with an elephant cock, and fuck you with that. [it is also saying "magnetar" is not a word] |
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me, just now: dfjgkdfgaaaaaugh halp my brain context: by forcing all the humans using fooglecones or iShits to use a far smaller vocabulary, you make all the automated assistant shit computationally easier. that the fucker of it is, that it was probably like: "oh, we ran AI simulations, and then we used millions of people as guinea pigs for A/B tests, and we determined we statistically got better results when we dumb'd language down, we're really not sure why, but we're just running with it" i forget who said it, but -- "never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity." that smart people, by virtue of being smart, can occasionally be incredibly stupid. a sort myopic... incongruency |
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the obvious darker interpretation is that, if china runs discord, and thus discord's spellcheck, they can steet everyone onto speaking in a more homogenized way that is far far easier to data mine. it also helps find more relevant ads you actually want |
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yes this could all be true, I saw the video umbro mentions a while back. the dumbing down of the internet is something that has been going on for a long while now, regardless of the chinese. the thing is that there's little we can do to change the tide, or is it? forums in general won't be replaced by discord, it's another sort of thing my only concern with this place is it breaking down for whatever reason, not it being replaced with some chinese scam |
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pst can I make you even more paranoid... don't read if you're not ready for this... okay I warned you discord was made by the ceo of openfeint (mobile api integration thing that was huge in the early 2010s, the android equivalent of apple's game center) who sold it off and all its data to a chinese company for $104m multiple lawsuits ensued where openfeint was accused of tracking and monitoring sensitive user data (social media profiles, private messages, contacts, gps location), there was no transparency at all discord is no different. it collects everything you do inside the app (and sometiems outside) and everything is logged and sent to their servers (indefinitely I suppose). there is no end to end encryption and should a data breach happen (discord is a valuable target it will happen) everyone's info is sitting on their servers unencrypted, every message and piece of data. obviously that would be catastrophic also discord changed their terms of service in 2018 to inform its customers that their right to sue or participate in a class-action lawsuit against them has been revoked. there is no way to reprensentatively sue them. how is it possible for a chatting app to be worse than facebook when it comes to privacy. even the NSA didn't go as far when they implemented PRISM on skype -_- |
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the dumbing down of the internet is something that has been going on for a long while now, regardless of the chinese. the thing is that there's little we can do to change the tide, or is it? my sacrifice with facebook was: i know some people will drift off, people i actually care about. but that's what's facebook is monetizing: my love for other people. that, fuck you, it sucks, but, non-participation. because, if i am not on the network, the network becomes less valuable, and people will begin to consider asking... yeah, phone number krew, we exchange phone numbers? they'll know one of those and find me that way you can already see facebook biting its fingernails until they're bloody as everyone under 50 begins to avoid them. you can see them hedging their bets trying to rip off neal stephenson's "metaverse." i cannot describe how much i hate them for trademarking "meta" but, yeah, don't use this crap, and that makes them less sticky to everyone else, and with enough collective oomph it hits an inflection point, runs out of budget, justin timberlake buys and and deletes all the data, etc forums in general won't be replaced by discord, it's another sort of thing please tell me how it is not clear as a bell that yes, this is literally, directly, their business strategy. not ~all~ forums, just -- capture as many of them as you can; turn them into zombies for-our farm-um my only concern with this place is it breaking down for whatever reason, not it being replaced with some chinese scam dumbing language down makes it easier to "show more relevant ads that you actually want to see." saves money. later it'll come to be seen as ill-advised if anyone has the intellectual capacity left, but for now i think they're just chasing the numbers; full ostrich |
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how does medium.com work? i think they sell articles but i've never had to pay for one? sorta like bandcramp? but also, again, what you think? i just kind of feel that as a place where people kind of soapbox of this sort. i am aware it is another network of sorts; cool send it back to the borg with individuality like hugh in star trek... but also, if i wanted to be totally ignored, it'd probably fit on kuro5hin if that still exists |
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i'll wrap in a parallel tangent: i used to quite love twitter. that, as i tweeted, "twitter is like a kitchen junk drawer for words." so all sorts of stupid crap i'd no clue what to do with, but, oh, i like this too much to throw out "hairilyn hanson" "ruby off the rails on diamonds" etc. and eventually i wound up chatting with people to a bit. sometimes i'd just fire off a stray thought. the stray thought that got me on, i dunno, some patronizing "time-out" was tweeting at microsoft in complaint for some trash widget they'd just force-pushed out to everyone, with something like, "...whoever made this decision should die in a fire." clearly, like... that's old internets reference, but even if you don't know that, how could that be interpreted as a threat? but microsoft reported it as a threat, and, well, i would have waited the week to come back, but it also demanded a phone number before it started my ~time-out~ and i've tried logging back in a few months apart and it still just wants a phone number and i missed it rather much at first, then occasionally, and finally, today -- so if you, like, combined an elephant cock with a magnetar? yeah, fuck twitter with that |
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can't even fathom how to organize this; no stomach to try. just spitballing here ~ what if you could get, say, even 25% of normal occasional twitter users to "strike" for a week? that, actually, it's done quietly; that everyone simply abstains from any twitter at all for a week. at that point, anyone not with the program will suddenly feel like they're drowning in corporate propaganda, because... microsoft and that tier have a small country of people responsible for managing their, i dunno, twit image... that shit KFC tweets makes the news; that's the idea... pass the anti-viral but, yes, if you could get a statistically significant portion of people to simply abstain from twitter, anyone not with the program would be like... why is my feed all obvious plant posts about the Office 365 rebranding? |
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I like discord more and more. It's well designed and flexible. And it has a working search. If it gets too fucky we can migrate to Matrix. |
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but isnt that exactly what the corporations want? more exposure for their propaganda tits the interwebs will get worse and worse because corporations know how much of a powerful brainwashing machine it is |
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Shut the fuck up, bitch |
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hi mo how're fings |
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~ TikTok Parent ByteDance Planned To Use TikTok To Monitor The Physical Location Of Specific American Citizens hi, kei9, have you considered that there's a tier far worse than corporations trying to sell us shit? |
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yeah, not really worrying or thinking about marketing for products when I fear the brainwashing of humanity but what can be done? me trying to hurt discord by not using it is like me trying to hurt the sea by stealing a bucket of water this whole boards not using discord would be like each one of us going to the beach with a bucket this war is lost because we are short on staff |
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not trying to lure you into using it, that would be inane i just mean is not that big of a deal either way, use it, dont use it the problem stays the same |
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can we go back to the part about how china is attempting to conquer the US internet community with socially glue-y apps just like they did their own sheep? and then also, go back to the part where i said, like: "i know it actively hurts your relationships, but that's the sacrifice, just don't use this shit, if you aren't there, maybe someone else won't be there, and if a dozen people aren't there, maybe a hundred people won't be there, and then it runs out of budget, justin timberlake buys it, and deletes all the data [see: myspace]" |
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i dunno. like, hay: at best this attempting to capture as many internet communities as they can and turn them into profit-generating zombies, but people have already posted about their ownership lineage pointing to china, which means: beijing knows your location better than google if you share it with the app, your phone number, ditto. perhaps it's somewhere in between: a total front; but not totally free to go willy-nilly. in the end, all tony "beijing" danza does is spam discord here, and slap u, either you're up your butt being a shitlord because omg i run it myself or you are a chinese operative trying to take this community down from within. or i guess you might just be a fucking idiot. tony. you are a fucking. idiot |
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but i guess that's just my op-onion 'n' stuff. mang |
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i guess i also feel the need to upgrade, that i doubt i will sign on to discord again. but i have websites and an artist name you know and if zilty goes kerpoof you'll still be able to say hullo. |
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i mean, like, look at this shit. "hypies, i killed the politics channel because it was cancer" and hypies quits. we never had this problem here, because no one is in charge and we're just all fucking stuck with one another, we have to work it out, and it never builds into toxic shit where channels are deleted because no one has that ability; phobs is just a distant automated phone menu there for technical problems. he cannot help you with any dispute |
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so i haven't even run this down. that i dicordliked--; that i've just been frothing it into my posts, but in part because it feels like it will wind up being retroactively correct. that, in fact, if it is... naming it discord; max fucking cheek. usually, though, they are never ever clever w/o engrish, so there might be some trope |
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i guess, like... tiktok? you can see how a bunch of arguing in stuffy gold and red rooms led to this name: it's kind of vaguely like the fart-ass trend of like, oh, i'm selling furniture, so i'll call it "furntr" and well clocks are important so? let's do what it looks like the other names are doing, drop the c's, hello, we're famous i wish i could call this dumb, but that it worked makes the west look like assholes |
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i guess it works both ways, or it used to. i really like the pants china makes, for example. i got this pair of pant that had patch saying like "Ninighght Eit" approximately. friends and i discussing; i had no idea. but one guy, just digs it right out "they were trying to sew 'Night Out' into the pants and their English is terrible and they were using voice to text dictation" and, for real, that solves it for me. i fucking loved that; i was a fan afterwards. like, you've gotten it wrong so hard you've turned around and delivered genuine brilliance. but now they're all on lockdown and the voice to text is quiet. |
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i was here long before you and i will be here long after you |
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I like how incoherent verbal incontinence guy is worried about language and expression. How about you try self-fucking-editing? |
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Or read a fucking book. |
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GOTTEM |
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you're not allowed to do that here (honestly, i will edit the shit out of posts if the board allows it) |
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anyways i've about said it i'll go back to ignoring discord now |
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