You are not logged in!

F.A.Q
Log in

Register
  
 
  
Now online (4)
wavephace
belb
EpicMegatrax
dariusgriffin
...and 25 guests

Last 5 registered
Oplandisks
nothingstar
N_loop
yipe
foxtrotromeo

Browse members...
  
 
Members 8025
Messages 2565205
Today 7
Topics 124821
  
 
Messageboard index
Zizek
 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-20 14:26 [#02589530]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular



We live in an extraordinary era in which there is no
tradition on which we can base our identity, no frame of
meaningful universe which might enable us to lead a life
beyond hedonist reproduction. Today’s nihilism – the
reign of cynical opportunism accompanied by permanent
anxiety – legitimizes itself as the liberation from the
old constraints: we are free to constantly re-invent our
sexual identities, to change not only our job or our
professional trajectory but even our innermost subjective
features like our sexual orientation. However, the scope of
these freedoms is strictly prescribed by the coordinates of
the existing system, and also by the way consumerist freedom
effectively functions: the possibility to choose and consume
imperceptibly turns into a superego obligation to choose.
The nihilist dimension of this space of freedoms can only
function in a permanently accelerated way – the moment it
slows down, we become aware of the meaninglessness of the
entire movement. This New World Disorder, this gradually
emerging world-less civilization, exemplarily affects the
young, who oscillate between the intensity of fully burning
out (sexual enjoyment, drugs, alcohol, even violence), and
the endeavour to succeed (study, make a career, earn money .
. . within the existing capitalist order). Permanent
transgression thus becomes the norm – consider the
deadlock of sexuality or art today: is there anything more
dull, opportunistic or sterile than to succumb to the
superego injunction to incessantly invent new artistic
transgressions and provocations (the performance artist
masturbating on stage or masochistically cutting himself,
the sculptor displaying decaying animal corpses or human
excrement), or to the parallel injunction to engage in more
and more ‘daring’ forms of sexuality?


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-20 14:27 [#02589531]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular



The only radical alternative to this madness appears to be
the even worse madness of religious fundamentalism, a
violent retreat into some artificially resuscitated
tradition. The supreme irony is that a brutal return to an
orthodox tradition (an invented one, of course) appears as
the ultimate ‘prodding’ – are the young suicide
bombers not the most radical form of corrupted youth? The
great task of thinking today is to discern the precise
contours of this deadlock and find the way out of it.


 

offline Roger Wilco from Island of Cannibal Sodom on 2019-11-20 15:59 [#02589541]
Points: 768 Status: Lurker



It's a tricky one, I'll grant you Žižek, not least how to
faithfully type your surname.


 

online EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2019-11-21 00:30 [#02589578]
Points: 13012 Status: Regular



only the furry fandom can save our identity and sexuality


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-21 01:04 [#02589579]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular



Is the basic characteristic of today’s subjectivity not
the weird combination of the free subject who experiences
himself as being ultimately responsible for his fate, and
the subject who grounds the authority of his speech on his
status as a victim of circumstances beyond his control?
Every contact with another human being is experienced as a
potential threat – if the other smokes, or if he casts a
covetous glance at me, he already hurts me. This logic of
victimization is today universalized, reaching well beyond
the standard cases of sexual or racist harassment –
recall, for example, the growing financial industry of
paying damages, from the tobacco companies’ deal in the
USA and the financial claims of the Holocaust victims and
forced labourers in Nazi Germany, to the idea that the USA
should pay African-Americans hundreds of billions of dollars
for all they were deprived of due to slavery. This notion of
the subject as an unresponsible victim is driven by an
extreme narcissistic perspective in which every encounter
with the Other appears as a potential threat to the
subject’s precarious imaginary balance; as such, it is not
the opposite of, but rather the inherent supplement to, the
liberal free subject. In today’s predominant form of
individuality, the self-centered assertion of the
psychological subject paradoxically overlaps with the
perception of oneself as a victim of circumstances.


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-21 01:06 [#02589580]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular | Followup to Roger Wilco: #02589541



I was going to do the diacritics except it always looks
fucked up in the zilty index view


 

offline Roger Wilco from Island of Cannibal Sodom on 2019-11-21 09:05 [#02589587]
Points: 768 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02589580



I know, sorry, that wasn't a dig.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2019-11-21 14:36 [#02589596]
Points: 10924 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02589530



Indeed!


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-21 21:20 [#02589643]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



chapo's house philosopher

indeed capitalism is truly the worst society to have, but
the conclusions he draws from this predicament are just
boomerist


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-21 21:26 [#02589644]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #02589643



could you expand on that please biggie


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-21 21:38 [#02589647]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



that we're leading these empty lives, in the first quote.
that's just what Plato said about today's youth, too
(Zizek's not just talking about youth, but boomers aren't
just old people either)

that he reduces id pol in the second quote to 'victimhood'.
i'm sceptical about id pol, but not really actually: id pol
is about bringing down unjust hierarchies like patriarchy
and racism. only if it's done stupidly, it's devolves into
'cancelling' and other sectarian behaviours and victimhood


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-21 21:41 [#02589648]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #02589647 | Show recordbag



about the first quote and what i'm saying here: i agree with
the social disease he's diagnosing. but i'm almost hearing
this old fashioned judgment. he doesn't fully word it, but
still he should do better, somehow


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-22 01:15 [#02589658]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular



fair enough mr biggles.

I won't reply to your points or say what I think of him yet
because I want to get a read on him from youse guys not
derail the thread


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-22 02:15 [#02589674]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



^_^

this might be the first i've read of him, and i'm not
without prejudice. it was a better read than i'd expect.
(second quote made me angry though, per usual when it goes
into id)


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-11-22 05:43 [#02589682]
Points: 11563 Status: Lurker



imagine being a combination of heidegger and lacan


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-11-22 05:47 [#02589683]
Points: 11563 Status: Lurker



wait jesus is that really him, he sounds like fucking jordan
peterson


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-23 13:16 [#02589963]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02589683



Yeah that's what struck me. I have to laugh that this is the
guy they got to debate Peterson on Marxism. For a Marxist
he's weirdly ahistorical, and isn't interested in cause and
effect or material conditions.

Like Peterson he has the boomer quality of not seeing beyond
tip of his nose, supposing that any talk of suffering he
doesn't personally experience must be pointless fluff.


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-23 14:13 [#02589965]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



i always fear people are secret centrists, but of course
tony doesn't agree with zizek

yeah, peterson won't debate someone that actually knows the
stuff, like wolff (the challenge)


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-23 16:25 [#02589967]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #02589965



Wolff is great.

I do think though that the dirtbag left has a point about
how capitalism uses progressive values as a beard to
distract from deeper structural issues. for example -
however the act of criticizing this sets up a fight between
progressive and reactionary camps, which is also a
distraction. And I'm sure Goldman Sachs would rather have
their critics, both right and left, yelling at their pronoun
policy than criticizing the investment bankers' business of
wealth skimming and the government policies that enable it,
how that determinesh both domeshtic and foreign polishy and
sho on *schniff*


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-23 17:06 [#02589969]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



we're seeing this maxim 'racism is used by the ruling class
to divide the people' playing out now in real time

(i once got some downvotes on reddit for calling out ableism
on zizek imitations, but i'll let this one slide, also
because it isn't mean)


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-23 17:13 [#02589970]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #02589969 | Show recordbag



racism etc


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-11-23 17:44 [#02589978]
Points: 11563 Status: Lurker



such 'pronoun policies' imply an ultimately conservative
conception of gender anyway 8)


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2019-11-24 05:00 [#02590000]
Points: 10924 Status: Lurker | Followup to Tony Danza: #02589967



Indeed!


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-24 13:22 [#02590012]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular



An interesting stupidpol thread about an article by
Amber Frost.

Shots fired, points made.


 

offline mohamed on 2019-11-24 21:16 [#02590042]
Points: 29026 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



come on feet, cruise for me


 

offline mohamed on 2019-11-24 21:19 [#02590043]
Points: 29026 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



you mean zizou


 

offline mohamed on 2019-11-24 21:21 [#02590044]
Points: 29026 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



but how did you feel when we were young? :?*


 

offline Jeff Mozart on 2019-11-25 21:46 [#02590108]
Points: 54 Status: Regular



Zizek always looks like he smells of cheese and onion crisps
and not in a good way


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-25 21:55 [#02590113]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular | Followup to Jeff Mozart: #02590108



he looks like he found the cheese and onion crisps by
rooting around in garbage


 

offline Jeff Mozart on 2019-11-25 21:58 [#02590114]
Points: 54 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02590113



He looks like smoking one of his million daily cigarettes
will make him break out in a sweat.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-11-26 22:34 [#02590163]
Points: 4285 Status: Addict



lol have u seen his missus?


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-11-26 22:36 [#02590164]
Points: 4285 Status: Addict



I like that meme pic I had of J. Peterson and Zizek on skype
chat
i like em both but anyway that pic was funny. Heh, i'm
thinking about it now.


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-27 13:22 [#02590206]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular | Followup to steve mcqueen: #02590164



have you read 12 Rules for Life, what did u think


 

offline DADONCK from here on 2019-11-27 16:59 [#02590216]
Points: 2375 Status: Regular



*sniff* and so on and so on


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-11-30 06:04 [#02590421]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



Slavoj Zizek — on the Jordan Peterson Debate
, on chapo, as a matter of fact



 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-11-30 07:01 [#02590423]
Points: 11563 Status: Lurker



what is a chapo even

do people really still listen to podcasts


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-11-30 07:09 [#02590424]
Points: 11563 Status: Lurker



is he implying that leftists don't know about
selfdestructive lost souls because ohh boy

good on him for shitting on solzhenitsyn tho


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-11-30 13:42 [#02590438]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #02590421



Hm, I want to check out Varlam Shalamov now.

Zizek should join the IDW


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 11:35 [#02590532]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02590423 | Show recordbag



they're dirtbag left (maybe invented the term as well?)



 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 11:36 [#02590533]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Followup to Tony Danza: #02590438 | Show recordbag



respect on Varlam Shalamov's name


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 11:39 [#02590535]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



but apparently Zizek's been cancelled

it *is* a lefty problem that they primarily cancel their
own

Zizek could well be a gateway to decent leftwing stuff. and
maybe he's been with this debate with Peterson (that no
lefty watched, i just read some reviews on how cringe it
was)


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-12-01 11:59 [#02590536]
Points: 11563 Status: Lurker | Followup to big: #02590532



yeah i mean, i understand who they are in theory. in
practice i'm not sure why they would be people anyone would
care about.

also not sure why anyone would need to cancel zizek, guy's
always been a bit of a reactionary huckster.


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 12:01 [#02590537]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



i'm a bit dirtbag as well as a bit sjw. i'm quite special


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-12-01 13:28 [#02590539]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular



no one on the left is ever pure enough for anyone on the
left. shuck the cum from my freshly fucked pooshy, and sho
on


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 17:15 [#02590551]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Followup to dariusgriffin: #02590536 | Show recordbag



probably right about the reactionary tendencies


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 17:17 [#02590552]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Followup to big: #02590551 | Show recordbag



or being reactionary

'pure enough', i don't know. a lot of people just aren't
really left. (and/but it's not that lefty people are better.
more educated though, probably)


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-12-01 17:51 [#02590554]
Points: 11563 Status: Lurker



the huckster part is more damning imo

also i'm not sure what purity has to do with anything. it's
just, the podcasters and the zizeks are commodities,
entertainment for hip progressives, i don't know what
effectual politics can be wrangled out of them. but i guess
it is cool that petit bourgeois centrist left have learned
to talk like baader meinhofs or whatever.

not that it matters, in typical lumpen/petitbourgeois
fashion myself i have no hope for a better future and am
just trying to find a comfortable enough social nook to hide
in until i die.


 

offline Tony Danza from Cats! on 2019-12-01 18:54 [#02590555]
Points: 1845 Status: Regular



"Whoever despises himself nonetheless respects himself as
one who despises." - Nietzsche


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 20:37 [#02590561]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



well, everyone likes Nietzsche


 

offline big from lsg on 2019-12-01 20:39 [#02590562]
Points: 21918 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



well, maybe he displays some problematic masculinity stuff.
i'll have to look into that some time (i did just google and
it gets hits)


 


Messageboard index