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Life is certainly directed towards death. So that's a clue that death might be important. What role does death play in your life? How do you prepare for dying? |
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ensuring my socks are on properly |
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death yea you know I'm bout dat my heidigga |
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Visualizin' the realism of life in actuality Fuck who's the baddest, a person's status depends on salary And my mentality is money-orientated I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it ‘Cause yeah, we were beginners in the hood as Five Percenters But somethin' must've got in us, ‘cause all of us turned to sinners Now some restin' in peace and some are sittin' in San Quentin Others, such as myself, are tryin' to carry on tradition Keepin' this Schweppervescent street ghetto essence inside us 'Cause it provides us with the proper insight to guide us Even though we know, somehow we all gotta go But as long as we leavin' thievin' We'll be leavin' with some kind of dough So, until that day we expire and turn to vapors Me and my capers will be somewhere stackin' plenty papers Keepin' it real, packin' steel, gettin' high ‘Cause life's a bitch and then you |
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is dat a racial slur against germans |
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or a greeting between german philosophers |
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Sleep is the cousin of death |
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You only scared to die when you ain't livin right, I'm with Talib Kweli (and L. Wittgenstein) and take fear of death as a clue that there's something wrong with how one lives life |
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nietzsche gang reprazent |
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I dunno man there are lots of ways to be fearless and also a complete idiot with no appreciation of the value or significance of anything maybe fear exists for a reason, maybe it's a load bearing emotion. |
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It’s a Nas lyric, never mind. |
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Mere lack of fear of death is certainly no proof that one lives life in the right way. It would at best be a necessary condition, not a suffifcient condition, to determine wheether one's level of living life in the right way. But there's, so it seems ot be, a certain calm that comes from integrity - from one's actions being in alignment with that which one truly considers valuable - that minimizes fear of death. .... Now: Could you have the subjective experience integrity and have really bizarre values like an Islamist? I'm doubtful. But it would be very difficult to proove. |
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MINUS "wheether" |
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my best stuff comes from when i'm simply in the moment, a flow state, and worrying about death is more like reminding myself to pay my electric bill |
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Do you feel like you have a "self" during that which you call 'flow state'? Or is the sense of self also diminished? |
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I think the problem with death is, it's like when you're settling down to work on something or read a good book and the phone rings and you're like "sweet jesus what is it now" and it's something so so stupid except the call never ends and you're dead not sure how integrity helps with that? |
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there is tension, urgency, and adrenaline even, sometimes. like, when i'm making music, programming, driving... writing. there is definitely a self, but it's totally absorbed in the task. i really do have to remind myself to pay the electric bill... and other things... and i'll do so. but my brain is always squirming to get away from all this, to drift back off into an alpha wave state and build machines or something |
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what are you trying to escape from could it be... yourself????? |
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would you have an easy time being me? |
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how much of me do I bring to the table in this scenario |
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What makes the difference, I guess, is the concept of absolute values. Let's say you subscribe to absolute values. Let's say it's an absolute value that you save the lives of as many children as possible. ... Now if you live your life doing just that, your life consists in the actualization of absolute values. So your life's actions then are absolutely valuable, too. And since they are absolutely valuable not even death can de-value them. If you'd remain on the merely theoretical level, it could seem like a weird word-game. But the proof is in the pudding. And people (as diverse as rappers like Talib Kweli and gay philosophers fighting in World War I like Ludwig Wittgenstein and many others) really have salvation-experiences once they subscribe to absolute values and try to actualize them. |
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it's funny how often the absolute values guys get caught with their dick in a kid, or doing a genocide |
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Are you an "absolute value guy"? Would you for instance agree that it's an absolute value that human beings shouldn't rape other human beings? If you don't think it's an absolute value, can you specify the conditions under which rape would be valuable? (if there are no conditions, then it's an absolute value) |
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what if there was about to be a nuclear holocaust and the only way I could prevent it is by raping a terrorist to make him give me the nuclear codes |
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.. I would grant you that scenario. But could there be conditions under which it would be valuable to rape another human being who doesn't pose a substantial 'threat'? Could there be conditions under which which it is valuable to rape an, as it were, 'innocent' person? |
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it's like the trolley problem, but with more anal rape |
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14 years old age you get arrested, i heard it on the radio |
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yeah ok let's say the terrorist enjoys being raped and laughs it off so I have to rape the terrorist's extremely innocent wife to psychologically terrorize him enough to give me the nuclear codes |
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Everyday I worry about dying, thinking it will happen any moment. It's really starting to get to me. |
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I am glad you heard this informative broadcast my friend |
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A wife who is married to a terrorist and knows what he's doing (and tus knows his codes) can not be innocent. She would have a duty to counter-act his behavior. So I don't think this scenario shows that there can be circumstances in which it would be of value to rape an 'innocent' person. |
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i didnt hear there was a distinction between rape or consensual, just the intercourse |
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i dont fear the turn off, but im super paranoid about the painful experience |
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i just want to addendum. it is difficult being me, i would not recommend it to anyone, but at the same time, i do not mean this as a complaint. tony danza is worried about how much of himself he'd retain if he was me, and the answer is probably not much. schizoid embolism waiting to happen |
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no she was overseas when he was radicalized and he kept it secret to protect her in any case this is my thought experiment not yours, it's like if you responded to rawls's veil of ignorance with "derp but what if everyone were precognitive and telepathic". it's disrespectful, as I am at least as great a thinker as rawls, as we all agree |
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is it wrong to rape a terrorist if the terrorist is also a baby or a cute puppy dog |
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well this is the thing, if I were you I'd be you, rendering the whole thing pointless. but what if we've already done this, traded places but remained exactly the same as before, what if we switch back and forth nightly. what if there is some insubstantial and completely inconsequential token that is exchanged. you can't prove it doesn't real. |
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oh btw no you misread me, and I misread you. I have to rape HER to make HIM give me the codes. |
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it occurs to me that this thread is entirely too patriarchal, we need feminist perspectives on virtuous antiterror rape |
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oh god I really have turned into EpicMegatrax, the prophecies were true |
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death means there can be no justice in the world, sad but true |
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the weird thing is, i don't think fear of death is exactly rational, it's more of a stupid evolutionary bug, but i still think people who say they don't fear it are either lying or deluded self-consciousness is fucked up thoughts |
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i think it's half a fear of the unknown with all the afterlife / reincarnation / simulation / whatever gunk we've thought up over the years. even rational thought kinda breaks down cos i mean, shit, i've never been dead before. tack on some morality and guilt at maybe not having been "good" and death kinda sucks |
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(personally i fear simulation the most. i've had hallucinations that got so complicated they started to get frame rate drop, like when a live broadcast on tv kinda breaks up due to bandwidth. unsettling) |
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heh, my issue is i'm pretty sure i understand what death is about, and i don't want it. i like my sentience, however illusory it might be. anyway, ecclesiastes is the best book in the bible. it's so good. knowing that it was written more than 2000 years ago comforts me. humans are doomed but they're interesting. |
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14 years old age you get arrested, i heard it on the radio absolutely unable to parse your contribution to this thred, it's out of nowhere, lke a buick falling out of the sky into leftfield. god bless you |
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There are people alive now who will live to be 150, 200, even 1000 years old. Soon death will be a thing of the past |
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Ah, yes. We misread each other. Okay, I see the point of your scenario now. Then let me modify the challenge/question a bit. Are there conditions in which it is valuable (in which it is to be recommended) to terrorize an 'innocent' person by raping them if the motive of the rapist consists in nothing but sadistic pleasure and if the consequences of the action (the rape) consist in nothing but the rapist's sadistic joy and the victim's pain? ... |
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rape and torture are always wrong you crazy utilitarians, get some kant in you |
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But if you go down the Kantian road you encounter serious problems, too. ... Almost everybody will agree that Kant's position on lying - Kant claims that it's always wrong to lie and thus it's also wrong to lie in order to save an innocent person from an axe-murderer - shows that there's something wrong with Kant's reasoning. ... But if - against Kant - it's valuable to lie in some cases, it's not clear how one could determine exactly why torture (and even rape as tortute) might not be valuable in some critical cases. There's an interesting parallel between killing and lying in general. Lying sees to be an attempt to murder the truth. |
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