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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-16 00:45 [#02574618]
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Technocracy is even worse than oligopoly (which is worse than monopoly)- computerized oligopoly. So now they control us with: criminal law, criminal economics, criminal algorithms, in a totalitarian total takeover in defiance of the non aggression principle (aka ethics). Living itself will only be possible in the black market, as all routes to obtain the fees to pay human farming landlords for the revokable privilege of dwelling in unownable territory are shut down by the technocracy. Youtube/facebook/twitter etc are now just doing what ebay/amazon already did. They have sucked so much out of the economic ecological niches that they reverted it to survival of the fittest. You now have to be predatory to merely survive at a subsistence level.
starting at 30:00 LAZY_TITLE is a good description of how the borg plans to eat humanity and discard its skin.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2019-04-16 01:07 [#02574619]
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Dunno, as Techno listener technocracy always seemed like a good thing to me. I think electronic music prepared me for this future. Was i brainwashed?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-16 01:22 [#02574620]
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don't have to worry too long planet will be too hot to inhabit for us proles, the rich will have atmospherically sealed arcologies like the eden project on steroids, we will try to break in by the domes will be made of transparent aluminium like star trek 4, a small pocket of nomadic tribal exiles will exist in walrus yurts at the poles subsisting on a bartering economy based on bacterial mats and algae
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2019-04-16 01:24 [#02574622]
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as long as it's technocracy as opposed to tekwar, i think we'll be alright
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-16 01:36 [#02574624]
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It is possible that electronic music was largely a psyop to induct people into transhumanism. In the future I imagine people will go to some sort of google transhuman clinic. A white labcoat guy (argument from authority) will come out and show you a laptop screen with some 8 bit characters dancing in 4 frames of animation to a cheesy upbeat 8 bit melody. "Those are your family members, they've already successfully uploaded. They're having a great time in the singularity and want you to join them. To upload your body does cost your earthly life savings but you'll be reimbursed with digital money. Enjoy you're stay in utopia." Then they'll kill you and add another 8 bit character to the screen. That will be you, everything you represent, in your new perfect digital form.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-16 01:41 [#02574625]
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sounds like an electronic purgatory, a hacker could have a laugh, like change a variable so your cock suddenly becomes 100 feet long in the middle of the high street
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-16 01:42 [#02574626]
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its what id do if I was an electronic god
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-16 01:57 [#02574627]
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By the way, when poor people die, I'm pretty sure the default is they burn you (cremation). That's because, even after death only rich people are allowed to own property under the earth, just like they can only own property above it. I won't leave any bones or fossils, so even if some really advanced future technology can resurrect someone from their bones it'll be impossible for the poor, they'll be burned to save space for graves of rich people. I never existed! I already have no evidence in life, it'll all be immediately erased after death. The government will probably even recycle my barcode. Maybe that's for the best since life is at a base level about killing and eating other advanced evolutionary designs, rewarding stealing and adding their lifeforce and energy to yours, then about technocracy when intelligence gets advanced enough. Maybe this realm is evolving toward hell and it's best to be erased as soon as possible.
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-04-16 02:15 [#02574629]
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Refraining mutually from injury, violence, and exploitation and placing one’s will on a par with that of someone else—this may become, in a certain rough sense, good manners among individuals if the appropriate conditions are present (namely, if these men are actually similar in strength and value standards and belong together in one body). But as soon as this principle is extended, and possibly even accepted as the fundamental principle of society, it immediately proves to be what it really is—a will to the denial of life, a principle of disintegration and decay.
Here we must beware of superficiality and get to the bottom of the matter, resisting all sentimental weakness: life itself is essentially appropriation, injury, overpowering of what is alien and weaker; suppression, hardness, imposition of one’s own forms, incorporation and at least, at its mildest, exploitation—but why should one always use those words in which a slanderous intent has been imprinted for ages?
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-04-16 02:15 [#02574630]
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Even the body within which individuals treat each other as equals, as suggested before—and this happens in every healthy aristocracy—if it is a living and not a dying body, has to do to other bodies what the individuals within it refrain from doing to each other: it will have to be an incarnate will to power, it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant—not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and because life simply is will to power. But there is no point on which the ordinary consciousness of Europeans resists instruction as on this: everywhere people are now raving, even under scientific disguises, about coming conditions of society in which “the exploitative aspect” will be removed—which sounds to me as if they promised to invent a way of life that would dispense with all organic functions. “Exploitation” does not belong to a corrupt or imperfect and primitive society: it belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will of life.
If this should be an innovation as a theory—as a reality it is the primordial fact of all history: people ought to be honest with themselves at least that far.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-16 03:27 [#02574634]
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What book is that from? Interesting words, kind of a "might is right" philosophy (or maybe truth). But might/right rhyme so the "might is right" meme will outcompete a more accurate meme ("right" implies ethical, maybe might is often fit but not ethical). The real algorithm running is survival of the fittest, but what is fit doesn't have to be mighty in the obvious sense (a flea can be mightier/more fit than a much larger dog). So I guess the question is can some sort of organized hivemind based on the non aggression principle be more fit than the technocracy of government+corporations. It is possible for cooperation to exist as well as war, for example all the individual cells in one human body, but that's because they have the same dna so they all have the same goal of being replicated in the germ line of sperm/egg. Bees/ants similarly operate as a single organism. Humans have fairly similar dna to eachother so are more altruistic toward eachother then other species like pigs/cows. Can goodness be more fit than evil? It's probably just a never ending unwinnable battle. But it would be nice, and better for everyone, if they were allowed to fucking live on some fucking territory without being farmed. Even though it might be better for everyone as a group, the algorithm running on the individual actors might not push toward that direction for the group since they operate independently. David friedman talked about that here (didnt read but looks similar to a speech at first glance, the spear part and ratinoal ignorance)
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2019-04-16 05:39 [#02574638]
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take your meds
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Roger Wilco
from Mo's Beans on 2019-04-16 06:18 [#02574640]
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"Maybe this realm is evolving toward hell and it's best to be erased as soon as possible."
Do what I do. Get an office job, one where you're allowed to wear headphones, and listen to Ligeti all day.
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Chodi
from 1337V1773 on 2019-04-16 07:29 [#02574643]
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did malcom x lose? no
Everyone hold their panties till the UK and US shed their ass skin.
(hopefully)
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Chodi
from 1337V1773 on 2019-04-17 11:09 [#02574814]
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is Ligeti your wifeline
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-04-17 12:53 [#02574840]
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you know what's a funny joke? the number of leftist philosophers who claim influence from nietzsche or heidegger
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