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umbroman3
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-12 21:45 [#02574344]
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In b4 wot will the hollywood movie b like?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2019-04-12 22:24 [#02574348]
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I just don't care
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2019-04-12 22:25 [#02574349]
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You know that expression, "don't bite the hand that feeds you"? It's being reported here (on NPR in the US) that he was continuing to leak documents despite a condition of his asylum being to sever his ties with wikileaks - which he had not done and which had been overlooked until he began leaking documents about Moreno. To echo Hype's sentiments, who even knows if that's true but it's a plausible reason why Ecuador would kick him out of the embassy now.
It's a very sobering and chilling read, what Chomsky said (thanks, Tony). I'm inclined to want to protect whistle blowers but I admit I had, over the past few years, bought into a narrative that he was becoming unhinged and was ready to say "fuck that alt-right troll". But literal shit on the walls begins to look like yellow journalism when I take a step back. And there's more at stake here than my personal feelings on one white-haired Aussie.
Steve, they say history is written by the historians (and not "the victors"), but anyone can be a "historian" in the post-facts era. When one controlled narrative is codified as "the whole truth" what does it matter what future generations will remember when we've already forgotten? The post-facts era is the post-history era.
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mermaidman
on 2019-04-12 23:07 [#02574350]
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and what if he wipes his shit on the walls what does it have to do withanything
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-12 23:28 [#02574351]
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steve + hyperflake. when the media got stuck into rumours about david cameron fucking a pigs head did you talk this stuff about yellow journalism?
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-04-12 23:45 [#02574355]
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noam chomsky the free speech cuck
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-12 23:49 [#02574356]
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u hate chomsky? i told these people that chomsky is shit and irrelevant and a liar but they refuse to listen to me - they dont like to read anything
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-12 23:50 [#02574357]
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>>> steve + hyperflake. when the media got stuck into rumours
>>> about david cameron fucking a pigs head did you talk this
>>> stuff about yellow journalism? Yes I did.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-12 23:52 [#02574358]
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No probably not cos im a not infallible and I have biases and sometimes I can be a hypocritical sometimes, plus he definitely stuck his cock in a pigs mouth hehe
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-12 23:53 [#02574359]
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It's just that it didn't have quite the *purchase* that it has now, for obvious reasons.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-12 23:56 [#02574360]
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ha,not heard this 4 a while LAZY_TITLE
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-13 00:01 [#02574361]
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my favorite flavor of gas is mustard LAZY_TITLE
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-13 00:04 [#02574362]
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^
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-13 00:07 [#02574363]
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may aswelll romanticise things i think
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-13 00:08 [#02574364]
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steve and hyper ok ok thats fair enough
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-13 00:08 [#02574365]
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have either of you read much about what assange did with belarus?
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-04-13 02:44 [#02574370]
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he's alright sometimes but yeah i'm not the biggest fan he's probably better at linguistics
the chomsky-foucault debate is fun tho, good battle of sophistry and i think i remember chomsky repping people's tribunals (to be fair it was 1971)
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2019-04-13 02:49 [#02574371]
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also shitsmearing assange and pigfucking cameron are both very funny
anyway i don't much care for assange but free chelsea manning you fucks
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Chodi
from 1337V1773 on 2019-04-15 05:59 [#02574518]
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-17 00:01 [#02574741]
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yeah i agree its just funny
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-17 00:02 [#02574742]
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none of you know what wikileaks did to belarus?
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-17 00:03 [#02574743]
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WikiLeaks was a kremlin operation by the end wasn't it
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-17 00:10 [#02574745]
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not exactly it just always was a radical organization that from the beginning didnt care about betraying innocent people as long as it hurt 'hegemonic' systems like america. russia likes to help out those sorts of projects.
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-17 00:11 [#02574746]
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read about the belarus thing guys. please. tried to tell you all about it like 5 years ago and none of u cared
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-17 00:14 [#02574748]
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I think by the end though they were pretty much doing the kremlins bidding, hence why they never leaked anything detrimental to Putin, they would have put polonium on his skateboard
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-17 19:49 [#02574900]
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not by the end. at the beginning assange was bad.
belarus
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-17 19:56 [#02574903]
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ah ok, yeah dubious behaviour all around
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2019-04-17 22:39 [#02574919]
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im glad u maybe read it hyperflake. but things are sad for me.
every year i hope people will move closer to the light and yet here we are
chomsky tony benn yellow journalism
guess this kind of thing dosnt stop it just goes on and on without qualification..
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Tony Danza
from NAFO Suicide Hotline on 2019-04-18 13:27 [#02574945]
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Assange is a slimebag who's been used as a cutout by state actors who want particular damaging materials circulated. And that Israel Shamir guy is much, much worse, I googled around and found his website, he's one of those creepy kooky Jews for Jesus guys, like Brother Nathanael, who endorses Protocols of the Elders of Zion antisemitism. I felt like bleaching my computer after seeing his website.
However none of this changes the basic truth of Chomsky's point:
The efforts to silence a journalist who was producing materials that people in power didn’t want the rascal multitude to know about—OK?—that’s basically what happened. WikiLeaks was producing things that people ought to know about those in power. People in power don’t like that, so therefore we have to silence it. OK? This is the kind of thing, the kind of scandal, that takes place, unfortunately, over and over.
Do you think this much effort would be expended apprehending Assange if he'd been exactly the same person but hadn't been "producing materials that people in power didn’t want the rascal multitude to know about"?
In any case Assange has been superseded and obsoleted. Tremendously damaging and important peeks into power and money like the panama papers, paradise papers, and so forth have been coming out without Wikileaks' involvement.
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Hyperflake
from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2019-04-18 19:25 [#02574990]
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