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According to afx soundcloud, the novation bass station ii synth is getting a new afx mode software update. No idea what that means. |
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"******* I’ve been working on a collaboration with Novation to make a new KILLER, KILLER update for the Bass Station2 ******* AFX mode. They have implemented the idea brilliantly, it’s in addition to the microtuning that we put in[also added to Peak[one of the best implementations on any synth]], we have pushed this machine to it’s limits. This affordable synth is now in the top3 of my ALL time favourites ! It’s totally dope, you can now take it in radically different directions, hope you like it. Big respect to Novation!" Wow. Given his collaboration with Korg on the Monologue it seems like this could actually be true. BS2 just got a big firmware update recently despite being a pretty old bit of gear. If they're dropping another game-changing firmware on it now and it really does take the synth into unprecedented territory like the quote suggests, I'd certainly be interested in playing with one. Also, it's really strange seeing Rich go from being a mysterious, taciturn troll for decades to such a genuine and happily transparent synth nerd in the public eye as of late. I love it, but it's strange. |
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It's great that he's pushing hardware companies to embrace alternate tunings. It's so easy to do in software with max or reaktor or pure data or whatever, but impossible with most hardware or else requires silly workarounds using pitch bend |
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which button you have to push |
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I agree but it's pretty fucking shitty that it takes a rich white male to finally get something about this done. Hindustani classical musicians have been clamoring for microtuning on the Bass Station 2 for years |
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to be fair he is a ginger so he is technically a ethnic minority |
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real wasted opportunity for an RDJ cameo in that vid! |
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i played around with a NBS just recently for the first time. its an awesome synth. but this afx mode is a turnoff. every synth that gets an afx mode is a nono for me. i rather find my own way to mircotuning if i need to |
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what, isn't it just that it can load scl or tun tables? or does it do more, like the forbidden yellow demo button on old consumer keyboards |
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they don't call him richard "microtuning" james for nothing |
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lol ye. novation peak and korg monologue/minilogue XD also let you create custom tunings on the hardware itself by pressing a key then turning a knob to change the pitch. not sure how the convenience here is a big no no but enjoy convulsed fuck-y work arounds i guess? |
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convoluted* |
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create custom tunings on the hardware itself by pressing a key then turning a knob to change the pitch oh that's silly... would have made more sense to turn a knob to divide the octave into different numbers of pitches. Just manually detuning individual notes by ear is nonsense |
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dadonck is it because microtuning is not cool anymore when afx mode does it for you?! |
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AGREED 100% that would be good. i remember seeing youtube video of uTune eurorack doing that for CV out. being able to create patches pretty much how you're describing. designating divisions. ~ https://tubbutec.de/%C2%B5tune/ by ear is still fun though. i like to change every note to C for example, and then go from there trying to make a scale. export into other synths. it's nonsense, but it's not without merit. i imagine it's similar to when you're using an analogue synth like korg ps-3300, only you get to export the tuning as a scala file and import into other synths :-) but yes, other options would be VERY good. novation peak has a screen + polyphony. maybe that'll get an ultra afx mode?? |
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"only you get to export the tuning as a scala file and import into other synths " What what what? Oh that's pretty cool. Didn't know it could export a standard format. That changes the picture. One of the coolest built in tuning tools in a synth is the one in Absynth. I don't think it does standard formats. But it's easy to make a custom octave division and have it repeat across the key range. |
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well, thats how afx does it, which is great. for afx. its also great that more machines get micro tuning options don't get me wrong. "in addition to the microtuning […] we have pushed this machine to it’s limits" if its true, there will definitely be more than that, which will be cool stuff. it just wouldn't inspire me. yes, i have synths and effects because i heard them in tracks from artists i like. and i like what they do. but i just don't need an afx (touched) synth, or a Jimi Hendrix guitar although these people definitely influence how engineers build instruments. i mean without musicians like Richard Devine some modules from make noise, mutable instruments, noise engineering wouldn't exist. its great that there is more communication than ever between artists and engineers. but i rather buy an old crappy "synth" like a farfisa, or a rack effect for 30 bucks because everybody uses pedals these days or use a "cheesy" iOS app and discover things that i like from those machines. you could call that an illusion, definitely. but it would be hard for me to "discover" something from a synth that has afx presets on it |
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i was eying uTune, but im close to getting the simple pico quant module |
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oh shit I have ginger in my beard and my brother has auburn hair, |
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i did ONE recording with one of the afx tuning presets and it felt dirty |
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haha |
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"you could call that an illusion, definitely. but it would be hard for me to "discover" something from a synth that has afx presets on it " whatever works for you, definitely ! the afx tunings on the monologue can't be exported as well, unlike how i was saying the custom tunings you make can be exported. so they're pretty much demo only purposes. |
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>>>It's so easy to do in software with max >>> or reaktor or pure data or whatever, but impossible with >>> most hardware or else requires silly workarounds using pitch >>> bend That's the thing, in the software you mentioned pitches are expressed typically as midikeys 0 128, and doing microtuning is as simple as saying 65.23423 instead of 65 or whatever, BUT there is no reason why hardware synths shouldn't allow this either - it's 'just' the interface ... it's the fixation upon the white+black keys of the chromatic keyboard interface which I think this comes from in the first place and i think is what does Afx's + others head in |
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even on a guitar you can tune the strings any which way you want - why on earth wouldn't you want that ability on a piano, if it's possible?? |
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you think beethoven got his piano microtuned and shit? nah brother nah... he got the motherfucker tuned the way it was supposed to be tuned... he got the motherfucker tuned straight like a real motherfucker do |
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and that's why he beethoven and no aphex twink! |
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his hearing probably attenuated his music, also I reckon cos his piano was made of a specific wood it had its own unique harmonics and stuff so cant of been perfect, but I know what you mean, interesting thought |
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It mixes stuff up doesn't it, it's disruptive. A piano is tuned like a piano and that is that - well, not any more matey! Guitars have always been a different world cos they are very much cheaper to buy, although that is nothing to do with the fact you can change the tuning, but bolstered by it.. |
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does seem a bit of a waste to limit yourself to a narrow band of frequencies, but its really hard to get out of that mind set cos all music is pretty much within those self imposed parameters, veering off sounds initially wrong, so I guess you have to stick with it, ive messed around with none western scales and stuff but not microtuning |
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i'd spend my lunch breaks in guitar center, and i always loved the novation synths. the supernova II; i've wanted one forever. never wound up getting one. i did used to use the novation v-station a of a lot, back, like, when i still had a windows computer and VSTs. there was a deeply trippy moment where, after a year or two of using the v-station as a plugin, i visited a friend in college. they'd pooled all their music gear in a giant common room, and someone had a novation k-station, the hardware version of a plugin i knew inside and out |
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I enjoyed the bass station 2 when i owned one. one of the best bang for buck synths even before the updates. calling it the bass station has always done it a disservice. |
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