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anyone knows some good chaos generators for sound making/modulation. i always liked the squirrely, squelchy wildness you can get out of them |
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i always prefer guided generators. back in the day, i was in love with by green oak software. i got to know the presets intimately, because this VST had a "breed" functionality. you'd pick two patches that were about in the neighborhood of what you wanted, set a slider for level of random whatever, and click generate. it got the the point where i'd have a noise in my head and i'd know if i picked patch X and Y from crystal and clicked generate a few times i'd get exactly what i wanted, with only mild fine-tuning necessary. |
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Music is so 1 dimensional, but it's interesting to think of using multiple dimensions to sort of cast shadows on the 1d line like a 3d object casts a 2d shadow. Like make a 3d geometric sphere. Maybe the radius slowly increases/decreases over time. have a point that moves randomly or in patterns, only touching the sphere's circumference. x/y/z dimension each represent a different parameter for that particular point in time on the 1d line, like volume/panning/overtones/or whatever. |
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or imagine a 1d line. and a 2d circle maybe with 7 spokes/points around it. the circle is on top of the line and rolls along it. every unit of time, cast the spoke points as a shadow downward. |
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makes me think of |
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the crystal VST looks nice, thanks! also seems familiar, maybe i tried it before some long time ago i was actually searching for more stuff like this. a strange attractor. i have this app and its fun |
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pretty awesome! but also pretty much the opposite of chaos |
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anything mathematic related to music out of the mind is fucking boring |
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who's talking about music? |
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me? a cool concept regardless, dont you think? |
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imagine if your musical metric was hidden on the way you type. wasnt poetry supposed to be made that way? |
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i tried some max examples with lorentz attractors playing a midi piano. that is boring but this is gud squelch. so good i think chaotic modulation of a filter or maybe a delay rate can be nice sound wise years ago i did a live performance where i modulated delay rates of some karplus strong patches i made in max. fun that russel haswell live p at dalston is the best i ever heard from him |
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Yeah it's more deterministic than chaotic but it's still cool. I've done some fun experiments with compound LFOs. Alter a couple of parameters in realtime and it's a nice mod source. Have you ever played around with Reaktor Blocks? |
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not enough. i always go to max first |
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I need to spend more time Maxing, and upgrade to the new version with Node integration. Reaktor runs pretty well in Max as a VST plugin. Best of both worlds. |
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i want to max but i'm afraid. say i made a poly synth patch. got my oscillators and amps and filters and envelopes going. i can learn that cause the documentation seems to be superb. but how do you go to the next level? how do you make it sound colorwise different than every other max synth? |
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imo the strong point of Max is algorithmically generating gates, pitches and mod signals, more structural or compositional things, more so than oscs and filters. great for sample slicing, dicing, granulation and stuff though |
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yeah sending midi to another daw might be fun |
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That's why they made Max for Live, or you can run VSTs inside Max. I think Rewire still works too. |
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or to an external instrument |
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oh yeah forgot about max for live |
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i started with max. every time i look at reaktor its cool, but i get overwhelmed. and since im comfortable max, i keep with it. i also use max for creating interactive installations and i use it together with unity 3d to create interactive 3d stuff. i was put off by the older reaktor. didn't wanted to remember all those little ins and outs, but with the new blocks concept the interface seem much more fresh |
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ha! thats what i wanted to suggest to mr. m you should get some modulation patches in m4l and modulate existing synths in ableton |
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stuff like |
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please link me, that's right up my street. |
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Native instruments generator is loads of fun, only 3mb or so |
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Oh yeah Unity. I was at a museum and there was a crashed Unity display running in Windows (I blame Windows) and I managed to get it working again by sausagefingering the touchscreen. im haxor lol Does Unity do OSC (open sound control)? |
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yes, i use unity with max via osc based on this: |
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you mean link my work? |
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i could just use unity for everything, but im much faster with max than with csharp. it depends what i want to do. since the net is full of tutorials and forums on any topic and the documentation of unity is great its quite easy to get stuff going |
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ah very nice.. how efficient is it with OSC? I was doing some stuff with pure data a while back that sent a lot of data very quickly over OSC and it burned up an unexpectedly large amount of CPU (I think pure data has gotten more efficient at that since) |
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no problems here on a macbook pro mid 2015. i used a leap controller and controlled some fft in max and particles in unity. worked fine |
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ah good good. I've been working my way slowly through Shiffman's Nature of Code book with Processing, but now you've given me FOMO. I'll have to check out Unity maybe later in the year. |
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where did you send it to and what did you do with it? i had software crashing, or slowing down because of heavy osc streaming. depends on what you do with osc, but its always good to interpolate/filter out data before sending it. i use it a lot for using motion tracking data between different apps |
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Yes please! |
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I was rolling my own OSCulator type thing. I guess I was just sending raw data instead of filtering, probably dumb. It did work better in a later release, but by that time I didn't need the patch anymore because the app in question could send MIDI. Anyways I'm now interested in using OSC to talk between graphical things and sound things, without a MIDI translation layer, so maybe that will also help the efficiency. But filtering, yeah. Some kind of hysteresis and sample / hold the output and filter redundant values, I guess. |
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