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offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 22:29 [#02566922]
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You love him really. And that fact fascinates you.


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-01-10 22:30 [#02566923]
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i think you wish that i loved him cause then it would be
more interesting


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-01-10 22:31 [#02566924]
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or you wish that secretly everyone loved each other in
xltronic


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-01-10 22:33 [#02566925]
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and it's okay if you want to perceive it that way


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 22:38 [#02566926]
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even a stopped clocked etc
tho it is true that he does seem to have genuine
intellectual concerns, even if he's really really bad at
honest intellectual investigation
it doesn't help that most progressives are beyond terrible
at theorising gender and race and can't debate for shit

i do like contrapoints. i'm not a fan of her videos because
they're very youtuby and stuff but she seems smart and is
probably the closest any popular speaker will ever get to my
views on trans shit.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 22:52 [#02566929]
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For me the truth will always be everywhere, therefore I kind
of agree with him when he criticises certain social justice
warriors. Dystopia is happening, and now how it was
anticipated. We will all be the same. Scared to be
different. Scared to laugh even.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 22:54 [#02566930]
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And not how it was anticipated *


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:05 [#02566931]
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well i mean a lot of "social justice warriors" are
fashionable idiots who will be the corporate managers of
tomorrow's world. there's not much of a paradigm shift imo,
and affectedly worrying about The Youth Today and
Intellectual Freedom is disingenuous and pandering to the
also very much fashionable "alt-right"
that doesn't mean peterson is wrong on all fronts, but a lot
of people have had the same vague insights through much
healthier ways and are not using them as a platform to
support the same old mediocre, intellectually dishonest
reactionary rhetoric

i.e. jordan peterson has not said anything that hasn't been
said better by better people than him but he is fun to mock


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:07 [#02566932]
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also it's not a dystopia, it's a fad

i'm more worried about, you know, actual fascist military
coups in europe


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:11 [#02566933]
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(also it's nice to be a communist and i wish i could believe
in revolution but the only paradigm shift i expect to
possibly see in my lifetime is one i would have a hard time
surviving ☹)


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 23:15 [#02566934]
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What I mean is that the thought police is here and maybe not
how Orwell interpreted it.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 23:28 [#02566940]
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I’m not doubting morals, but I’m afraid for art. As for
individual personality, the thought police and medical field
will take care of that.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:32 [#02566941]
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unless i'm misunderstanding you: nahhh
i mean check this out
over here at least the state is more than okay to stage
racist political trials

students being students and maybe being a little too
enthusiastic at playing radical politics is not a threat to
anyone or anything
just take a look at what the 68ers are doing these days


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:34 [#02566942]
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and as for art


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:36 [#02566944]
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how do you feel about leftists spreading stuff about assad
being not the bad guy or about george soros or about how
nato made russia take ukraine?


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:39 [#02566945]
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fascists say those things too. how do you feel about that?


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:39 [#02566946]
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they'll probably go far-right soon enough, as are
stalinists, maoists & ultraleft conspiracists known to


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:40 [#02566947]
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like that's not a gotcha, that's a sad historical reality


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 23:41 [#02566949]
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It seems you either don’t get me, or are minimising
something you haven’t (imho) given much thought to. Your
link makes no sense to me (I’m aware of the context) so
maybe we’re both lost on each other.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:42 [#02566950]
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ur probably right it just worries me loads


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 23:43 [#02566951]
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Anyway this comforting idea of a black and white left and
right is pretty lame to me.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:43 [#02566952]
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fun fact i'm not too sure about other countries but a lot of
reactionary public intellectuals in france are ex-maoists or
the intellectual heirs of ex-maoists


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:44 [#02566953]
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jeremy corbyn told his followers on twitter to watch russia
today


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 23:44 [#02566954]
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For example difference is good. The extreme right certainly
doesn’t get that, but it’s startinf with the extreme
left. Same danger.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:45 [#02566955]
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got any english articles on that btw?


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:46 [#02566957]
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on the french maoist type


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-10 23:47 [#02566958]
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It’s comforting to categorise.

Ok goodnight friendies!


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:49 [#02566959]
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no worries i hate most of the left too

you sound like you're worrying about political correctness
gone mad, tho, which has been a fake issue forever and has
only ever been used to stir reactionary sentiment

that doesn't mean there's no nuance to be had (i think the
left is full of power-hungry hypocrites and proto-fascists)
but that i'm not willing to debate the issue in those terms


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:53 [#02566960]
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no its a real issue


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-10 23:54 [#02566961]
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got anything english on these maoist types tho cos i
genuinely wanna look into it


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:55 [#02566962]
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none that i know of, but you can check out alain
finkielkraut, alain glucksmann, the "nouveaux philosophes"
in general


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-10 23:56 [#02566963]
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why


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-11 00:02 [#02566965]
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delineating ideological trends and legacies is useful to the
discussion of politics, sorry. personal idiosyncrasies
matter very little in the grand scheme of things (and are
often nigh insignificant even on an individual level).


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-11 00:03 [#02566966]
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ah fuck, i too have been cucked by ideology after all


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-11 00:04 [#02566967]
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lets talk about this tommorow darius


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-11 00:06 [#02566968]
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maybe, i don't know that this is very healthy for me!!!!

do you like my picture with griffith from berserk


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2019-01-11 00:10 [#02566969]
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i didnt get it ykno anime is just way over my head


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-01-11 00:56 [#02566970]
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a lot of reactionary public intellectuals in france are
ex-maoists or the intellectual heirs of ex-maoists


Yeah, same thing with former Marxist David Horowitz of
frontpage mag for example. "Inside Every Progressive Is A
Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" he says - well there was
certainly one in him.


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-01-11 01:15 [#02566971]
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well i mean a lot of "social justice warriors" are
fashionable idiots who will be the corporate managers of
tomorrow's world.


Indeed and there's a strong tendency for the powers that be
to use token identity politics as a beard for oppressive
corporatocracy. So we have Justin Trudeau wearing rainbow
socks at gay pride events then with no sense of discord or
incongruity having people arrested for protesting his oil
pipeline. The nice socks didn't interfere with any financial
interests so they were OK.

It's similar to Israel's pinkwashing.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-11 02:14 [#02566975]
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oh i think you'll like this:
the other day i was checking out what influential radical
genderqueer men-in-dresses jacob tobia and alok vaid-menon
were up to, because i hate them a lot.
turns out they were shilling for uber!

which brings me . . . .
russelllll i very much resent you saying i haven't given
this much thought. i haven't had the luxury to not have to
think about it! a lot of my social existence is dependent on
the whims of shitty misguided progressives and narcissistic
bullies with a self-serving agenda.
i still don't think they're a true menace. nothing new is
happening. it's just our society taking care of itself,
creating its new, more modern rhetoric of oppression. it's
bad, but it's not dystopia bad. it's usual shit bad. it's
"welcome to the year 2119, now we have a hundred gender and
we still have systemic rape and exploitation."


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-11 02:19 [#02566976]
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if anything i have thought about it too
much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now i don't give a
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk i'm here to talk about
excellent electronic music


 

offline mohamed on 2019-01-11 05:17 [#02566980]
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wowowowow, what did you eat last nite with your pack
turkshit boi, bread and courage


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-01-11 06:15 [#02566981]
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relax little mohamed i won’t hurt your feelings anymore


 

offline mohamed on 2019-01-11 06:31 [#02566982]
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Because your turkshit mother told you so?


 

offline mermaidman from the indian ocean on 2019-01-11 09:09 [#02566984]
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❤️


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-11 12:30 [#02566986]
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We’re obviously not noticing the same things. The “pc
gone mad” remark is of the past. I’m not talking about
right wing people upset that they can’t tell a racist joke
anymore. What I’m noticing is that certain sjw are plain
nasty people, which defeats the whole object of being for
social justice and a fair society. People are self righteous
and love to gang up, without an ounce of self judgement,
forgiveness or understanding, but by being nasty.
My comment regarding dystopia has to do with the fact that
I’m noticing that all the while fighting against
indifference and extremism people are starting to disallow
difference and are adopting extreme ways themselves.
Difference is something to be proud of, and I’m worried
that uniformity is creeping in. Also the mob mentally that
is increasingly growing makes me sick. You even get it with
reviews of films and games now. By the way you seem very
sure of yourself, which I like but it makes trying to get my
point across a little harder. I don’t think being fired
and hated by thousands because of a tweet is the way
forward. I’m far from perfect so why should I judge
everyone and feel offended every five Minutes, constantly
trying to assert my moral superiority. I need to focus on
being better than myself, not constantly position myself.
People need to look at themselves. And yeah I’m worried
for art, if everything has to be pristine and fit with the
times’ morals, then what I see as good art will start
lacking for fear of judgement and reprisal. Good artists are
like criminals, and the way we’re going good artists will
actually be seen as criminals, dangerous people trying to
infect the minds of “the clean and good”. Again close to
a dystopian feel. I dunno, obviously we’re ok now, and
I’m just ranting, but people worry me, the mass should I
say worries me. Groups worry me. Glad you have a more
positive outlook though! But yeah, don’t think I’m
trying to defend racist and homophobic humour! I’m a
humanist (probably like animals ju


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-11 12:32 [#02566987]
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But yeah, don’t think I’m trying to defend racist and
homophobic humour! I’m a humanist (probably like animals
just as much though)!

Also, this might have always been around, the mob mentality
and self righteous finger pointing, but with the internet
it’s blowing up. Especially if in the last few years.

By the way I’m definitely more inclined towards the left
than the right, and I’m certainly not a conservative
person. Racism, sexism, homophobia are all areas that need
to be eradicated, hopefully through education. Just to make
my position clear. Though increasingly I find myself
distrusting politics in general, and certainly can’t find
a party that defines me.

Anyway I look forward to you telling me with total assurance
that I’m wrong! But I’m sure we can at least agree that
fighting hate with hate seems pretty backwards and
counterproductive.

Bisou


 

offline Tony Danza from The Way of the Sword on 2019-01-11 13:04 [#02566988]
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Russelldust, you are describing something Mark Fisher wrote
about in his essay exiting the vampire castle

However 99% of crapping about SJWs is from youtube gamer
neckbeards who have been told by the likes of Jordan
Peterson that the femoids, coloureds and gays are coming to
holocaust them in the pronoun gulag, which is a reactionary
nonsense.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2019-01-11 13:19 [#02566989]
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yes, i'm sure of myself, because i've spent a lot of time
having to deal with what you're describing.
and i don't think you're wrong, per se. i don't like
dogmatism and mob mentality any more than you do. however i
really don't think this is anything new and alarming. most
of it is cynical public relations. companies that want to
appear progressive fire the outspoken racists and
misogynists, game companies fire the outspoken feminists.
they don't want to lose clients, whatever.
it's a brand issue, and it sucks, like everything else under
capitalism.

and, yeah, what tony said, this is a very loaded debate,
which is why i'm maybe being a little less courteous than i
should.


 

offline RussellDust on 2019-01-11 17:54 [#02566996]
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It’s how I feel, and still don’t agree with you at all.
Anyway neither of us can predict the future. I’m sorry if
you got bullied a lot but I don’t have to have been
bullied to notice how people have become online. I’m
totally flabbergasted you don’t see it, bu like I said,
I’m happy for you.


 


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