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You love him really. And that fact fascinates you. |
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i think you wish that i loved him cause then it would be more interesting |
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or you wish that secretly everyone loved each other in xltronic |
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and it's okay if you want to perceive it that way |
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even a stopped clocked etc tho it is true that he does seem to have genuine intellectual concerns, even if he's really really bad at honest intellectual investigation it doesn't help that most progressives are beyond terrible at theorising gender and race and can't debate for shit i do like contrapoints. i'm not a fan of her videos because they're very youtuby and stuff but she seems smart and is probably the closest any popular speaker will ever get to my views on trans shit. |
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For me the truth will always be everywhere, therefore I kind of agree with him when he criticises certain social justice warriors. Dystopia is happening, and now how it was anticipated. We will all be the same. Scared to be different. Scared to laugh even. |
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And not how it was anticipated * |
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well i mean a lot of "social justice warriors" are fashionable idiots who will be the corporate managers of tomorrow's world. there's not much of a paradigm shift imo, and affectedly worrying about The Youth Today and Intellectual Freedom is disingenuous and pandering to the also very much fashionable "alt-right" that doesn't mean peterson is wrong on all fronts, but a lot of people have had the same vague insights through much healthier ways and are not using them as a platform to support the same old mediocre, intellectually dishonest reactionary rhetoric i.e. jordan peterson has not said anything that hasn't been said better by better people than him but he is fun to mock |
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also it's not a dystopia, it's a fad i'm more worried about, you know, actual fascist military coups in europe |
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(also it's nice to be a communist and i wish i could believe in revolution but the only paradigm shift i expect to possibly see in my lifetime is one i would have a hard time surviving ☹) |
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What I mean is that the thought police is here and maybe not how Orwell interpreted it. |
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I’m not doubting morals, but I’m afraid for art. As for individual personality, the thought police and medical field will take care of that. |
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unless i'm misunderstanding you: nahhh i mean over here at least the state is more than okay to stage racist political trials students being students and maybe being a little too enthusiastic at playing radical politics is not a threat to anyone or anything just take a look at what the 68ers are doing these days |
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how do you feel about leftists spreading stuff about assad being not the bad guy or about george soros or about how nato made russia take ukraine? |
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fascists say those things too. how do you feel about that? |
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they'll probably go far-right soon enough, as are stalinists, maoists & ultraleft conspiracists known to |
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like that's not a gotcha, that's a sad historical reality |
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It seems you either don’t get me, or are minimising something you haven’t (imho) given much thought to. Your link makes no sense to me (I’m aware of the context) so maybe we’re both lost on each other. |
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ur probably right it just worries me loads |
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Anyway this comforting idea of a black and white left and right is pretty lame to me. |
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fun fact i'm not too sure about other countries but a lot of reactionary public intellectuals in france are ex-maoists or the intellectual heirs of ex-maoists |
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jeremy corbyn told his followers on twitter to watch russia today |
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For example difference is good. The extreme right certainly doesn’t get that, but it’s startinf with the extreme left. Same danger. |
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got any english articles on that btw? |
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on the french maoist type |
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It’s comforting to categorise. Ok goodnight friendies! |
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no worries i hate most of the left too you sound like you're worrying about political correctness gone mad, tho, which has been a fake issue forever and has only ever been used to stir reactionary sentiment that doesn't mean there's no nuance to be had (i think the left is full of power-hungry hypocrites and proto-fascists) but that i'm not willing to debate the issue in those terms |
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no its a real issue |
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got anything english on these maoist types tho cos i genuinely wanna look into it |
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none that i know of, but you can check out alain finkielkraut, alain glucksmann, the "nouveaux philosophes" in general |
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why |
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delineating ideological trends and legacies is useful to the discussion of politics, sorry. personal idiosyncrasies matter very little in the grand scheme of things (and are often nigh insignificant even on an individual level). |
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ah fuck, i too have been cucked by ideology after all |
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lets talk about this tommorow darius |
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maybe, i don't know that this is very healthy for me!!!! do you like my picture with griffith from berserk |
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i didnt get it ykno anime is just way over my head |
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a lot of reactionary public intellectuals in france are ex-maoists or the intellectual heirs of ex-maoists Yeah, same thing with former Marxist David Horowitz of frontpage mag for example. "Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" he says - well there was certainly one in him. |
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well i mean a lot of "social justice warriors" are fashionable idiots who will be the corporate managers of tomorrow's world. Indeed and there's a strong tendency for the powers that be to use token identity politics as a beard for oppressive corporatocracy. So we have Justin Trudeau wearing rainbow socks at gay pride events then with no sense of discord or incongruity having people arrested for protesting his oil pipeline. The nice socks didn't interfere with any financial interests so they were OK. It's similar to Israel's . |
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oh i think you'll like this: the other day i was checking out what influential radical genderqueer men-in-dresses jacob tobia and alok vaid-menon were up to, because i hate them a lot. turns out they were ! which brings me . . . . russelllll i very much resent you saying i haven't given this much thought. i haven't had the luxury to not have to think about it! a lot of my social existence is dependent on the whims of shitty misguided progressives and narcissistic bullies with a self-serving agenda. i still don't think they're a true menace. nothing new is happening. it's just our society taking care of itself, creating its new, more modern rhetoric of oppression. it's bad, but it's not dystopia bad. it's usual shit bad. it's "welcome to the year 2119, now we have a hundred gender and we still have systemic rape and exploitation." |
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if anything i have thought about it too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now i don't give a fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk i'm here to talk about |
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wowowowow, what did you eat last nite with your pack turkshit boi, bread and courage |
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relax little mohamed i won’t hurt your feelings anymore |
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Because your turkshit mother told you so? |
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❤️ |
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We’re obviously not noticing the same things. The “pc gone mad” remark is of the past. I’m not talking about right wing people upset that they can’t tell a racist joke anymore. What I’m noticing is that certain sjw are plain nasty people, which defeats the whole object of being for social justice and a fair society. People are self righteous and love to gang up, without an ounce of self judgement, forgiveness or understanding, but by being nasty. My comment regarding dystopia has to do with the fact that I’m noticing that all the while fighting against indifference and extremism people are starting to disallow difference and are adopting extreme ways themselves. Difference is something to be proud of, and I’m worried that uniformity is creeping in. Also the mob mentally that is increasingly growing makes me sick. You even get it with reviews of films and games now. By the way you seem very sure of yourself, which I like but it makes trying to get my point across a little harder. I don’t think being fired and hated by thousands because of a tweet is the way forward. I’m far from perfect so why should I judge everyone and feel offended every five Minutes, constantly trying to assert my moral superiority. I need to focus on being better than myself, not constantly position myself. People need to look at themselves. And yeah I’m worried for art, if everything has to be pristine and fit with the times’ morals, then what I see as good art will start lacking for fear of judgement and reprisal. Good artists are like criminals, and the way we’re going good artists will actually be seen as criminals, dangerous people trying to infect the minds of “the clean and good”. Again close to a dystopian feel. I dunno, obviously we’re ok now, and I’m just ranting, but people worry me, the mass should I say worries me. Groups worry me. Glad you have a more positive outlook though! But yeah, don’t think I’m trying to defend racist and homophobic humour! I’m a humanist (probably like animals ju |
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But yeah, don’t think I’m trying to defend racist and homophobic humour! I’m a humanist (probably like animals just as much though)! Also, this might have always been around, the mob mentality and self righteous finger pointing, but with the internet it’s blowing up. Especially if in the last few years. By the way I’m definitely more inclined towards the left than the right, and I’m certainly not a conservative person. Racism, sexism, homophobia are all areas that need to be eradicated, hopefully through education. Just to make my position clear. Though increasingly I find myself distrusting politics in general, and certainly can’t find a party that defines me. Anyway I look forward to you telling me with total assurance that I’m wrong! But I’m sure we can at least agree that fighting hate with hate seems pretty backwards and counterproductive. Bisou |
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Russelldust, you are describing something Mark Fisher wrote about in his essay However 99% of crapping about SJWs is from youtube gamer neckbeards who have been told by the likes of Jordan Peterson that the femoids, coloureds and gays are coming to holocaust them in the pronoun gulag, which is a reactionary nonsense. |
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yes, i'm sure of myself, because i've spent a lot of time having to deal with what you're describing. and i don't think you're wrong, per se. i don't like dogmatism and mob mentality any more than you do. however i really don't think this is anything new and alarming. most of it is cynical public relations. companies that want to appear progressive fire the outspoken racists and misogynists, game companies fire the outspoken feminists. they don't want to lose clients, whatever. it's a brand issue, and it sucks, like everything else under capitalism. and, yeah, what tony said, this is a very loaded debate, which is why i'm maybe being a little less courteous than i should. |
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It’s how I feel, and still don’t agree with you at all. Anyway neither of us can predict the future. I’m sorry if you got bullied a lot but I don’t have to have been bullied to notice how people have become online. I’m totally flabbergasted you don’t see it, bu like I said, I’m happy for you. |
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