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awesome, all bound for mu mu land |
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^ one of my fave things to say for no apparent reason |
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dr. who's that then? |
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Although this "vhs" is just cobbled together bits of old KLF videos, the KLF (or rather the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu) are coming back |
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nice find dan, hoping for something spectacular |
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LEGIT |
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wonder what they are up to,m made this year more interesting already |
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great Tom Baker sample ; ) |
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I remember er the doctirin the tardis as a kid i thought it was really shit, but that was the point to make something completely crappy and ersatz for the charts also i kind of like it now |
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this thread is on the 1st page of results for the title string |
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"the whole machinery of illusion" |
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oh yeah you mean if you google the title of this thread, its cos we are ion the button here, |
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^ah |
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The Aneristic Principle is that of apparent order; the Eristic Principle is that of apparent disorder. Both order and disorder are man made concepts and are artificial divisions of pure chaos, which is a level deeper than is the level of distinction making. With our concept-making apparatus called "the brain" we look at reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures give us. The ideas-about-reality are mistakenly labeled "reality" and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see "reality" differently. It is only the ideas-about-reality which differ. Real (capital-T) True reality is a level deeper than is the level of concept. We look at the world through windows on which have been drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different grids. A culture is a group of people with rather similar grids. Through a window we view chaos, and relate it to the points on our grid, and thereby understand it. The order is in the grid. That is the Aneristic Principle. Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be true. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the Aneristic Illusion. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other. Disorder is simply unrelated information viewed through some particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa, is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The artificial concept of no-relation is the Eristic Principle. The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of disorder, is the Eristic Illusion. The point is that |
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The point is that (little-t) truth is a matter of definition relative to the grid one is using at the moment, and that (capital-T) Truth, metaphysical reality, is irrelevant to grids entirely. Pick a grid, and through it some chaos appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and disordered. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that. |
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its like being stuck in a room with a load of ppl arguing about how to get out, when the door is actually open, its just no one has bothered trying it. |
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im still stuck in a limited frame of mind most of the time, io suppose its helpful that im aware im like that |
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Pick a grid, and through it some chaos appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and disordered. i'm going to cite this as jusification for a previous statement i've made : the quality of the answer depends on the quality of the question asked. calibrate your sphere of context ("grid") carecfully. |
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carecfully snarefilly verily |
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my views a bit like looking through a pair of woolen socks with holes worn in them |
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popular music is in a pretty sorry state, by several metrics there's a coupla articles on Quietus by Drummond about punk & whatnot... 60 Second Something or others yeah...dunno.. |
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obviously fucking excited to see what happens, but surely ppl can't be having their asses handed to them by >30 yr olds.... its wrong WRONG |
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like The Manual said it would only work for a couple of months, i'm just hoping the old biddies don't fall flat on their faces, or summat |
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i think there's a lot of quietly giving up on music. there was a period a couple years ago when all sorts of labels were folding -- merck, etc. now that i think back on it, that's about when i stopped daydreaming about some music label liking my fings enough to release them. there was never a singular moment, i just began to shift my focus to things like soundclot and faceblag. as the labels went off with the tide, i was too busy to notice the shift. inside a sea of likes and comments. it feels like you're building something -- hundreds of followers on soundcloud, yea! then one day you wake up and you're sick of that shit. you delete your soundclot and machine gun xltronic with blank posts |
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^ interesting glimpse into your world for a moment there! |
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yes i think they are too clever for it to be totally shit, im not expecting anything extraordinarily good but i never expect that of anything in general nowadays to avoid disappointment |
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even the bands last decade had some sort of moronic catchiness about them, stuff i hear now i have a hard time classifying anything someone would like about it, i suppose its just all left me by |
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The Aneristic Principle is that of apparent order; the Eristic Principle is that of apparent disorder. Both order and disorder are man made concepts and are artificial divisions of pure chaos, which is a level deeper than is the level of distinction making. With our concept-making apparatus called "the brain" we look at reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures give us. The ideas-about-reality are mistakenly labeled "reality" and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see "reality" differently. It is only the ideas-about-reality which differ. Real (capital-T) True reality is a level deeper than is the level of concept. We look at the world through windows on which have been drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different grids. A culture is a group of people with rather similar grids. Through a window we view chaos, and relate it to the points on our grid, and thereby understand it. The order is in the grid. That is the Aneristic Principle. Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be true. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the Aneristic Illusion. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other. Disorder is simply unrelated information viewed through some particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa, is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The artificial concept of no-relation is the Eristic Principle. The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of disorder, is the |
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is the Eristic Illusion. The point is that offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2017-01-05 20:11 [#02510089] Points: 8021 Status: Addict | Followup to freqy: #02510079 The point is that (little-t) truth is a matter of definition relative to the grid one is using at the moment, and that (capital-T) Truth, metaphysical reality, is irrelevant to grids entirely. Pick a grid, and through it some chaos appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and disordered. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that. |
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^ i didnt remember posting that at all |
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well, do you now? |
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yes i do now, yes |
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I just picked up a stamped version of the new book 2023 A Trilogy and I think I deserve some kind of medal. Not very encouraging extract , but what I read in my lunch break was good and I like the photo. |
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a stamped copy? |
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A stamped copy. Stamped. A rubber JAMS stamp - mine says "Waterstones What The Fuck's Going On?" in the traditional "Pyramid Blaster" design, stamped on the title page. |
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did you meet the JAMMs? (Oh, heres one from the think-i-dreamt-it dept: Lily Allen has made a model of the KLF burning a million quid. Looks like it took several days. Can't find any link now.) gis a teaser 4 the book? |
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you jammy bastard |
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